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General topics / On the Wings of Ecstasy
« on: May 06, 2012, 04:10:15 PM »
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya

Salutations to Bhagavan

Health & Welfare Issues / Vandana Shiva - Genuine Activist
« on: May 06, 2012, 11:14:42 AM »
Dear Friends,

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This is a must watch for everybody, whether one likes it or not –

The moment we like to be a part of any Corporate, we are directly contributing to the destruction of the planet earth.


General topics / Detachment
« on: May 06, 2012, 11:06:45 AM »
Dear i,

over last few days, i have been observing people around, just everywhere, at home, outside, at work, firstly its a pure miracle to see human beings, more so, living beings, move of its own accord, can we tap into this miracle a little more? no batteries, no keys, no mechanics, it was such a wonderment to see being move around here and there, does what it wants, contemplates about rights and wrongs, what a beauty? it struck me, how dead i had been so long?

Firstly, it felt extremely gratitude to be one among those, to be able to move around like how i had been amazed at wonderment by seeing other living being, including trees, being sentient! it took a moment of split second to discern the beauty and the value of being what i am!

Dear i, this birth is invaluable, invaluable, again, invaluable! I needed to say that three times!

when this quite dawned in me, it was again, amazement after amazement, when i look at the world, things are wonderfully crafted, and they are all beautifully and perfectly interwoven with each other and like a mechanical clock, every being is doing his/her role, with or without complaints, like the sun that shines, everybody, still does, what is to be done. There is not even a iota of doubt on the clarity, there is no disturbance, everything is so perfect, in itself, as it is! Everyone plays a role, be it good or bad, for each other.

Wonderment, absolutely beautiful!

For so many years, my mother has been lovingly feeding me, cooking me food! I mean, with this new dawn of amazement, i suddenly cease to look at my mother as my mother, my father as my father, my brother, sister, others as my own, i begun just looking at them, detached, truly what obligation does she have to really cook for me for us? what obligation do others have towards me to love me? when you look from the window of detachment, i am, really speaking, nobody to them. You just feel extremely grateful, when you see things around you detached. The cows, what obligation does it have to give milk to humanity? the tree, plants, what obligation do they have to re-circulate oxygen for us? What obligation do they have to give us harvests, food?

being detached is wonderful feeling, it is liberating, it is celebrating the beauty of which can never be found in attachment!

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Get Service - Must Watch
« on: May 06, 2012, 10:37:10 AM »
Dear i,

Please take 5 minutes to watch this, at any cost

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Thiruvilayadal in English
« on: May 05, 2012, 08:30:26 PM »
Dear i,

yes, that is there, there is definitely some amount of strain. Nothing can be better than a printed hand book any day! just, some source to read, than no source at all :)

Salutation to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Thiruvilayadal in English
« on: May 05, 2012, 08:11:59 PM »
Dear i,

i happened to find this, Thiruvilaiyadal puranam (THE SACRED SPORTS OF SIVA) in English and remembered you -


Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Tamil Scriptures
« on: May 05, 2012, 06:25:08 PM »
Dear i,

thank you for correcting me. yes, i have copied-pasted the wrong verse. yes, i felt the same, that the translation of GU Pope is quite different from what you have posted, even the previous posts. What you have posted, translates the essence much better. Somehow, GU Pope's translation doesn't touch from within.

Salutations to Bhagavan

From Talks 164

D.: What is Renunciation?
M.: Giving up of the ego.
D.: Is it not giving up possessions?
M.: The possessor too.

we have no say anymore, like Bhagavan said, Ninnishtam - Ennishtam, your wish is my wish.

as quoted before by Subramanian Sir -

Sri Bhagavan says to Muruganar (in Sri Ramana Sanndhi Murai):

(He said) iruntha padiye iru enRAn  - Be what you are.
(He said) guru aruL cheluthum vazhikke chel enRAn - Go the way in which the grace of Guru directs you to.

We have no more headache of choosing, deciding, judging.

Again, Dear i,

this is slightly tricky, continuing from the other post, the struggle of the emerged 'i' is being fully stripped, like an onion, as we keep stripping the skin one by one, nothing remains. it is to a certain extant a painful process (as long as the 'i' remains) it is giving up!, giving up is not easy! Giving up means to die, losing complete power, nothing more in my hands! the emerged 'i' realises this, ultimately, he has to let go, but, it is a struggle, from within. pure jnana can make this easier, knowledge can make it lighter. I may be rambling too much here on these subtle things, but, i see how important it is to stick to this vulnerable point, for, here is where, the darkness needs to be annihilated.

what is this struggle to give up? why does it not easily give up, completely, in the spirit as - "“YOU SHOULD NOT CONTINUE AS A SEPARATE ENTITY AT THE END OF EITHER COURSE—ENQUIRY OR SURRENDER."

what 'know how' can facilitate this smoothly. which is why i have strongly come to trust these words of Bhagavan, which is, perhaps, a smooth way out -

Bhagavan says (talks 40) -

"Unless intellectually known, how to practice it? Learn it intellectually first, then do not stop with that. Practise it."

Therefore, it is evident, there is a lack of understanding here, that, the vulnerability exists because, it is unable to grasp this. It knows, yet, it does not! It is bordering to suicide, yet, it is not really a suicide, it has to cease to really remain! It is Resurrection, of sorts.

Musings... thank you

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Tamil Scriptures
« on: May 05, 2012, 05:20:24 PM »
Dear i,

The fervor in these verses only remind me of Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai, verses like these -

ஞிமிறுபொல் நியு மலர்ந்திலை யென்றெ
நெர்நின் றனைஎன் அருணாசலா

nyimirupol niyu malarndilai yenre nernin ranaien arunachala

How is it that even you, O Arunachala, should like a
helpless bee stand in front of me saying, "The bud is
not yet open?"

ஆட்டுத்தேவர் தம் விதியொழிந் தன்பால்
ஐயனே என்றுன் அருள்வழி யிருப்பேன்
நாட்டுத்தேவரும் நாடரும் பொருளே
நாதனே உனைப் பிரிவறா அருளைப்
காட்டித்தேவநின் கழலிணை காட்டிக்
காயமாயத்தைக் கழிந்தருள் செய்யாய்
சேட்டைத்தேவர்தந் தேவர்பிரானே
திருப்பெருந்துறையுறை மேவிய சிவனே.

GU Pope translates -

I loose not body's bonds, nor enter fire to end the strife;
nor know the method of Thy sacred grace.
I cannot bear this 'frame'; yet way to 'scape I none discern.
Praise, praise, Thou Rider on the warlike bull!
I die not yet! sever'd from Thee what pleasure can I take?
In grace vouchsafe to bid me, 'This do thou!'
CIVAN, Who didst draw near where waters flood the fertile fields,

Salutations to Bhagavan

all I can suggest at this stage is this that one needs to take one final plunge fearlessly, apparently into ‘Nothingness’ or ‘Abyss’, but truly into ONESELF -- ATMA-SWARUPA, which is Bliss Itself , and remain anchored there foe once and all. Then only we understand that there is no merging or death, these are only the fears of the truly non-existent, rising and falling ego-‘I’.     

Sri Bhagwan says in Talk—28 that it is our pleasure that helps our growth—food, exercise, rest, and gregarious qualities. He says that our nature is primarily one, entire, blissful, but ego’s perfection is suddenly broken at a point and a want is felt, giving rise to get something or do something. When that want is satisfied the ego is happy and the original perfection is restored for the time being till its original perfection is broken again. This is the relative progress by satisfaction of want. Yes, we, the devotees of Bhagwan Sri Ramana, by His Grace, have become aware that this cannot, at any cost, continue, at least for long and therefore it is high time to stop rising and returning back to rise again and return back and so on. It is high time to stop and rest in the Cool Shade of the Swarupa for ever.   

we need to stop this relative progress by satisfaction of want and merge into the Self of the nature of Bliss and perfect Peace.

Yes. Ego is non existent. It is non existent like ghost. But we are afraid of ghosts. Is it not? Sri Bhagavan also uses the words
Ahandhai pei - the ego ghost. When this ghost will go away? Only when some dheera (courageous) one goes with a torch light
and see after going near that so called ghost. Then he will find that there is no ghost at all there, but only a post or a pillar.

Dear i,

yes, it is hitting the bulls eye - "Yes, we, the devotees of Bhagwan Sri Ramana, by His Grace, have become aware that this cannot, at any cost, continue, at least for long and therefore it is high time to stop rising and returning back to rise again and return back and so on. It is high time to stop and rest in the Cool Shade of the Swarupa for ever. "

yes, "it is only when some dheera (courageous) one goes with a torch light and see after going near that so called ghost. Then he will find that there is no ghost at all there, but only a post or a pillar."

Sri Krishna has said in his song, Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.

we should endeavor to be THAT ONE among the thousands, who knows Him as that truth.

The ball is now thrown back to our court itself! We have to strive for that perfection, yes, it is in our hands, as you rightly observed in the other topic - "Self-surrender and its meaning as revealed by Maha Guru Bhagwan Sri Ramana" -

"There is no doubt whatever that the Divine Grace is essential for God-Realisation. But Sri Bhagwan says that such Grace is vouchsafed only to him who is a true devotee or a yogin, who has striven hard and ceaselessly on the path towards freedom. However, on another occasion, He says that we are making effort, in the first place, because of the Guru’s or God’s Grace.

THEREFORE, IT CAN BE SAID THAT GRACE IS THE CAUSE OF THE EFFORT AND EFFORT IS THE CAUSE OF THE GRACE. I should say that Grace is obtained through effort and effort is prompted by the Grace."

So, what i take from here, is, to pacify (or take it closer to the truth - Upanishat) the primordial 'i' with knowledge, till, it realises that there is no death to it, and, to constantly remind the emerged 'i' the blissful nature of its source, compared to the momentary happiness, it enjoys after its emergence, when it thus realises its own blissful nature, that it does not need to look for bliss elsewhere, that itself, which is blissful by nature.

Thank you.

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Tamil Scriptures
« on: May 05, 2012, 02:13:04 PM »
Dear i,

thank you :) how wonderful! this is the reason, it makes one delve deep in Bhavam, very touching indeed. here is the same verse in tamizh -

மாவடு வகிரன்ன கண்ணியங் காநின் மலரடிக்கே
கூவிடு வாய்கும்பிக் கேயிடு வாய் நின் குறிப்பறியேன்
பாவிடையாடு குழல்போற் கரந்து பரந்த உள்ளம்
ஆகெடுவேன் உடையாய் அடியேன் உன் அடைக்கலமே.

i simply copied from the following pages -

Part1 திருவாசகம் - 1

Part2 திருவாசகம் - 2

Saluations to Bhagavan

General topics / Tamil Scriptures
« on: May 05, 2012, 12:13:03 PM »
Dear i,

i am opening this thread, where we can post exclusively tamizh works here. We have two members (Subramanian Sir, Sri Ravi) who are well versed in many tamizh literature. Let us be blessed to listen to some of the very ecstatic expressions of tamizh saints.

AAMM 106:

என்புருகு அன்பர்தம் இன்சொற்கொள் செவியுமென் புன்மொழி கொளஅருள் அருணாசலா

Your ears once heard the sweet songs of those whose very bones melted in love of you. Let them now accept even these poor words of mine, O Arunachala. (The songs of Sambandhar, Appar and Manikkavachager are full of love and sweetness)

Salutations to Bhagavan

Dear i,

yes, it is so,

"If even such subtlest (one billionth of the so called present moment) past and future moments are not attended to, and if we try to ascertain what is in between these two imaginable subtlest moments,  we will find that nothing can be found as an exact present moment. THUS THE CONCEPT OF THE PRESENT TIME ITSELF DISAPPEARS, BEING NON-EXISTENT, AND THE BEING, OR THE SELF-EXISTENCE—SATCHDANANDA—ALONE WILL SURVIVE.

present out of the three times—past, future and present, and the first person out of the three persons—first, second and third person, are the root conceptions and Sri Bhagwan has taught that if they (first person or the present moment) are sought, these two basic conceptions will disappear, losing their existence. Only the Swarupa, or the Being, or the Screen, or the ever existing, one whole and infinite Self alone remains and shines."

yes, i do discern that time is merely an idea and there is really no time, no moment, though, i am able to see this, i wonder, and ask myself, what is this 'urge to do' anything for really?

yes, what Bhagavan has said strikes a chord from within -

“There is no time for the Self. Time arises as an idea after the ego arises. But you are the Self beyond time and space; you exist even in the absence of time and space”  Talk—625

i realise, that what we call our natural karmas, duties is really, factually very very little, once after fulfiling the karmic duty, when i remain, i observe that it is my predispositions which try to push me out, like i mentioned to you, in my previous post, i wanted to know what happened to Abdul Kalam, whether he has any chance to become the president, switched on the television, then i restrained, trying to assimilate the 'Jnana Bodham' mass of knowledge, then, i remain for some time, and then, i proceeded towards my books, where as well, i restrained, as what more is there to read? than this? and i remained, and, i remained for some moments, and it followed, that, knowledge is not something, that is to be practiced, like Japa, but, there was this urge to do, to act, but, there is no end, there is no desire to act, meaning, the urge to act doesn't seek fruit at all, but yet, i wonder, why this urge remains? which is why, i logged on to forum and wrote here, my previous post.

Bhagavan has said somewhere, தண்ணில் இருக்கும் சுகம் (Tannil irukkum sukham) the bliss of being as self within, as it is. That is to see subtly, it means, there is no urge here.  So to say, this is the primordial i the first i thought is originating here as some form of urge.

Even after realising that there is nothing to 'get' out of any act of this 'i' this first 'i' that is emerging, as some form of urge, itself is arising only out of predisposition alone, and, not out of ignorance, there is a burning sensation here, because, it knows, very clearly, there is no end to meet, no fruits to obtain by emerging, as 'i', it knows, when it says, 'urge' or the desire for emerging out is zeroed out, for it is never going to meet its end again, the urge is never ever again going to be fulfilled.

Slowly and steadily, it is being stripped naked, robbed off, all its possessions, power, will, everything, which is why, perhaps, there is this burning sensation, the first 'i' that is emerging is seeing its own insignificance anymore, it is no longer having the clout, which previous it was sporting about, with a sense of pride, its own possession. But, it is no longer relevant.

my question here, is, basically, to put it in a nutshell, it is பிடிவாதம் (Adamant) of the first primordial 'i' in giving up, completely. It itself knows very well, that it cannot last anymore, the darkness cannot touch the sun, but, like a small child, from whom we take away the chocolates, it remains so, with some kind of adamant, being unable to let go, even though IT VERY MUCH KNOWS.  Because, slowly, it realises that even the ground on which it is standing is no longer facilitating, it is hot, very hot, it can't even stand here, so, it is like, it has emerged, is unable to remain, as well, yet, it still remains, emerged, goes within, emerges, goes within, emerges, again and again and again. The emerged 'i' as well does not proceed further than from the position of emergence, for it knows very well, it is not going to meet its end, it will no longer get to fulfill its desires, yet, it is emerging, and dancing in hot plan, as the pan is so hot!

It is asking here, as follows -

How can 'i' or 'you' facilitate me a smooth death, ie merging to source. --> by this, i am not even literally asking for a solution, perhaps it is just a way of putting it, something like a metaphor or like an analogy. Just in some way, the expression is finding itself out! It is well aware, that there is really no death or merging, these are only the fears of the emerged 'i' which is truly non existent, Bhagavan goes further saying, enquire further where from this 'i' has emerged, and it will merge in the source. This cycle keeps happening again and again.

i am not sure, if i have written neatly, i hope, you would be able to get a grasp of what i am trying to convey :) thank you

Salutations to Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: doubt in தமிழ் Tamizh
« on: May 05, 2012, 10:49:13 AM »
Dear i,

i remember having heard some Kee VA Ja keerals :)

is beautiful

how different is Grantham from the regular language?

Salutations to Bhagavan

General topics / Re: Shakti Ma
« on: May 05, 2012, 10:36:40 AM »
Dear i,

yes, there is no doubt about Bhagavan's special connection with 'Mother' at all times. Cow Lakshmi, He was so fond of her, he used to address her as amma, and, he used to say, that it is only because of her that ashramam has been sustained, and most of the cows today, i hear are her descendants. Like Adi Shankara charitham, Bhagavan's life too, gives a special place for 'Mother'

Salutations to Bhagavan

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