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Dear i,

i am impelled to recollect the instances of first visit of Muruganar, the background that led to his poetical compositions:

Will I, an unworthy ignorant one, ever be accepted as a devotee by Lord Siva who, as the Divine Guru with the wealth of grace, showed clearly to the world the greatness of Manikkavachagar? And even if I get such a chance, will I be able to sing of the glories of his grace-showering feet in the same way as Tiruvachakam [Manikkavachagar's most famous poetical work]?'

Like many other thoughts that arose in my mind, this thought, a long time ago, appeared and disappeared, like a flash of lightning manifesting in the sky.

Then I heard from devotees who had redeemed themselves by taking as their support the grace of the one at Tiruvannamalai, who is the embodiment of true jnana, and who shines as the flame of true tapas. When they spoke of the greatness of his grace, they melted in joy. Hearing them, I was lost in admiration and unceasing joy…

The compassionate Supreme One, who is endowed with jnana, then decided in his heart to be my Lord and Master. In the same way that wax melts on encountering fire, on seeing his feet, my mind dissolved and lost its form.

There was in me a thirst, an intense longing to subside [into the Self], that was prompted by the thought of the divine feet, which abound in grace. So, like one who, suffering from thirst, comes across a Ganges of cold water, on an auspicious day, a golden day for my thirst, I went [to Ramana Maharshi] with eleven verses that began 'Leaving Mount Kailas…' and met the excellent sage, the jnana Guru, the ocean of mauna, the bestower of jnana.

In the same way that wax melts on encountering fire, on seeing his feet, my mind dissolved and lost its form. Like the calf finding its mother, my heart melted and rejoiced in his feet. The hairs on my body stood on end. Devotion surged in me like an ocean that has seen the full moon. Through the grace of chitsakti [the power inherent in consciousness], my soul was in ecstasy.

With an unsteady and quivering voice, I read the eleven verses and placed them at his feet. At that very moment he graciously looked at me with his lotus eyes. From that day on, the praises given out by my impartial tongue belonged only to him.

From the way he bestowed his grace, becoming my Lord and Master, I was completely convinced that he was Siva himself. As my new 'owner', he made my 'I' and 'mine' his own.

Even if I get submerged in the miry mud [of this world], I will not forget the mighty nobility of the bountiful bestower of grace.

(The Power of the Presence, David Godman)



Will I, an unworthy ignorant one, ever be accepted as a devotee by Lord Siva who, as the Divine Guru with the wealth of grace, showed clearly to the world the greatness of Manikkavachagar? And even if I get such a chance, will I be able to sing of the glories of his grace-showering feet in the same way as Tiruvachakam

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: On the Wings of Ecstasy
« on: May 07, 2012, 10:44:12 AM »
At last my lamp also was
Lit by my beloved!
The lamp of this body
Was filled with the oil of love
The wick, the ego was
Dry to get aflame
Unaware He came - My
Master with the lamp of
Self knowledge bright in His hand
And gave fire to the Dry cotton in the mind.
The dark corners of my heart
Anon was lit up with the
Effulgence of that golden light.
Peace spread out every-
Where when the horrid creatures
Of darkness quit the place
Peace that fills the whole
Being was so deep that
It's beyond my power
To fathom its grandeur!

Salutations to Bhagavan

3198
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 07, 2012, 10:12:39 AM »
Dear i,

moreover, if we notice the lives of all great jnanis or realised sould, their autobiography ends here, at the point of entering the 7th gate or such a one utters his last real speech such as kandEn enru karuththezha villai,kandilEn enru karthezhumAren! these are the last ending words of every realised beings.

Everything else that follows after this, is only a biography :)

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 07, 2012, 10:01:36 AM »
Dear i,

what a beautiful way to put it, it cannot be said in a better way
We may say the other way round-that Sri Ramakrishna was fortunate to be the husband of a Realized soul!Sri Sarada devi's stature can only be understood when we are left wondering how Swami Vivekananda used to dip himself in the Ganges 6 times before approaching her.Swami Brahmananda will be overwhelmed and shiver with Divine emotion and approach her like a child and prostrate before her.These were Brahma Jnanis!Swamiji's chicago speech was a success because he wrote to Holy Mother seeking her blessings and she blessed her' Naren' -'May Saraswati reside in your tongue'!There are instances of persons not accepted by the Master reverting to our Holy Mother who accepted them unconditionally saying-'Ok,if he does not accept,do not go to Him!I am your Mother and you are my children!"

Swami Vivekananda, Swami Brahmananda, themselves - if we have to look them we have to bend our neck upwards, and the kind of bhakthi and humbleness they showed towards mother is unfathomable.

it is so beautifully explained, verily its same as Bhagavan says in ulladu nARpadu -kandEn enru karuththezha villai,kandilEn enru karthezhumAren!

just silence... thank you..

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 07, 2012, 08:57:02 AM »
Dea i,

the life of Sarada devi, may generally get unnoticed before the Master, but, the life of Mother is very touching indeed, no matter your husband be a realised soul, really a very touching soul. She is the epitome of humbleness. in Tamil (தண்ணடக்கம் ) Thannadakkam.

Has the Master anywhere said anything about, how does one get to know, if he has attained the truth. i am aware it may be a stupid question :) but, i have to ask... i am aware of Swayam Prakasha, Self knows, itself will know, it is its own illumination and so on... but, i feel, the Master has his knack of answering things like these... atleast quieten the mind  :) thank you.

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: Detachment
« on: May 07, 2012, 08:50:56 AM »
Dear i,

absolutely, it all looks like some play.... funny, on the other hand, man is struggling to make his imitation by way of robots :D

In Lalitha Sahasranamam both “bala”(965 mantra) and “leela vinodhini” (966th mantra) reconfirms the child status of the para brahma swarupini. The divine play of the goddess is none other than the triple functions of creation, preservation and destruction of the prapancham(world).

Salutations to Bhagavan

3202
Let your whole thought in meditation be not on the act of seeing, nor on what you see, but immovably on THAT who sees.
                                                                                    Sri Bhagwan

There the sun shines not, nor the moon, nor the stars, nor fire; all these shine forth by Its Light.
                                                                                            Upanishad

Dear i,

wonderful and very appropriate recollection of Bhagavan's words. These words are verily the Vedanta Saram, the ultimate aim of any Sadhana. Every other act of Sadhana is only aimed at arriving at this very discernment alone! Once, one arrives at this discernment, then this alone should be important and this alone should super-cede all other acts, be it spiritual or otherwise.

Bhagavan clearly has also said - "Seeing is Being"

the 'i' that emerges again and again, ought to be engulfed with this 'seeing-being'

but, there is a burning sensation prevailing, as i have observed, i must therefore ignore this sensation and stay put as the master witness, which is itself untouched by these sensations, i see the dance of this emerged 'i' - hopefully to submerge or merge itself into source.

Perhaps this is the essence of Nandishwara looking at Shiva in temples.

Salutations to Bhagavan

3203
I had a question. I can sense an energy inside me continuosly moving around my brain area while starting somewhere in chest. This energy turns,circles and keep making movements. I can sense the energy all the times while I am awake. When I make the "who am I" question, I can also sense that the energy slowly comes down - but it is hard to bring it down. I am aware of the energy coming down and with further effort I can sense the sucking of the energy inside the chest. I can see a small light, but if I try to focus on that light - it is gone (stays for like 1sec).

When I eat something or drink water, I see that this energy increases further and thus the rotations/movements become more faster - as if the energy is wrapping off the brain and makes me still as I dont have any choice but observe the energy. So, I observe the energy but at the same time I am doing outside activities.The increased energy on the brain gives me such a good/pure feeling.

This is going on in me for the past 2 years continuosly. I was initially afraid of the phenomenon but later began reading some books by Ramana for solace. But I am not sure what is happening. Can anyone of you guide me ? Anyone with the similar experiences ?

Dear i,

Experiences are certainly common at some stage. What i want to tell you is this, you say you can "sense sense that the energy slowly comes down - but it is hard to bring it down. I am aware of the energy coming down and with further effort I can sense the sucking of the energy inside the chest. I can see a small light, but if I try to focus on that light - it is gone (stays for like 1sec)."

You also are able to observe sense that the energy slowly comes down - but it is hard to bring it down. I am aware of the energy coming down and with further effort I can sense the sucking of the energy inside the chest. I can see a small light, but if I try to focus on that light - it is gone (stays for like 1sec).

You are also able to observe that the increased energy on the brain givees you good feeling.

By my own experience, by my grasp of Bhagavan's teaching, pay attention to not what happens, ie. your experiences, but pay attention to yourself, ie. experiencer, observer. If you note carefully, it is simple, you were able to observe clearly, what all experiences you were having, the locations such as brain, heart, movements up and down and so on, so, is it not very clear, that you, yourself, who are a witness to these experiences, absolutely untouched by those? Experiences are only distractions, do not pay any atention to it, many things may occur, colours, lights, flashes, movements, what ever it is, do not take give it much value. Always pay attention to yourself, who is witnessing all these, the Seer alone is important, and all that is seen is not important.

Do not for any cost, be satisfied with the pure feeling or good feeling that you experience as the end. you may enjoy those good feelers, but do not stay put with such feelers as they are nothing but laya, temporary, if you are experienceing the good feeling, who is it that is having good feeling? who is that is discerning it as pure feeling? That you should pay attention to, not this.

Do not give much importance to experiences, at all times, give attention only to yourself, in whose presence all these even occur!

Salutations to Bhagavan

3204
General topics / Re: Tamil Scriptures
« on: May 06, 2012, 09:57:27 PM »
here is a very beautiful expression from Thayumanavar:

அருளா லெவையும்பா ரென்றான் - அத்தை
      அறியாதே சுட்டியென் னறிவாலே பார்த்தேன்
   இருளான பொருள்கண்ட தல்லால் - கண்ட
      என்னையுங் கண்டில னென்னேடி தோழி.


Arulaa Levayumpa Renraan - Adai
Ariyaade Suttiyan Narivaale Parthen
Irulaana Porulkanda dallaal kanda
Ennaiyun Kandil nennedi thozhi

"By Grace behold all things," He said. Not understanding, by my intelligence I beheld, differentiating.
   I saw but darkness. I saw not even me the seer. What is this, sister?

Salutations to Bhagavan

3205
General Discussion / Re: Value of pilgrimages
« on: May 06, 2012, 09:14:48 PM »
Dear i,

the very fact that one is able to go to a pilgrimage itself is a result of grace.

Bhagavan says: Just consider how all of you born in different places and living in other lands are gathered here today? What is the Force which has attracted you here? If this is understood the other Force is also understood.

Some force is surely attracting, be it any place, every place of pilgrimage is grace..

In Talks 41

D.: Are pilgrimages, etc., good?
M.: Yes.

He has mentioned at several instances the efficacy of such pilgrimage is a form of tapas of self purification process. While yes, as wisdom blooms, one will begin to feel that very place one is, is itself a theertha kshetra (holy place)

Once Chadwick asked, It is said that one look of a Mahatma is enough; that idols, pilgrimages, etc. are not so effective. I have been here for three months, but I do not know how I have been benefited by the look of Maharshi.

M.: The look has a purifying effect. Purification cannot be visualised. Just as a piece of coal takes long to be ignited, a piece of charcoal takes a short time, and a mass of gunpowder is instantaneously ignited, so it is with grades of men coming in contact with Mahatmas.

in Talks 278

D.: I wish to go to Kailas.
M.: One can see these places only if destined. Not otherwise. After seeing all, there will still remain more - if not in this hemisphere, maybe in the other. Knowledge implies ignorance of what lies beyond what is known. Knowledge is always limited. After some time Sri Bhagavan continued: Appar was decrepit and old and yet began to travel to Kailas. Another old man appeared on the way and tried to dissuade him from the attempt, saying that it was so difficult to reach there. Appar was however obdurate and said that he would risk his life in the attempt. The stranger asked him to dip himself in a tank close by. Appar did so and found Kailas then and there. Where did all this happen? In Tiruvayyar, nine miles from Tanjore. Where is Kailas then? Is it within the mind or outside it? If Tiruvayyar be truly Kailas, it must appear to others as well. But Appar alone found it so. Similarly it is said of other places of pilgrimage in the South, that they are the abodes of Siva, and devotees found them so. This was true from their standpoint. Everything is within. There is nothing without.

Everything has its role in the evolution of a sadhaka, for instance, many of my relatives are planning to attend the AthiRudra Maha Yajna to be held at Kanchipuram at Maha Swami Adhishtanam itself, while i have utmost respect to these rituals, and Vedic chants, i myself am least interested to personally go and attend these, for i am now absolutely convinced that the true and real pilgrimage is the Self within, never to return back. But at the same time, those who go to attend such yajnas are not to be spoken of lesser, each one has his way, but ultimately to make a final pilgrimage within, no matter whether one goes or not goes to pilgrimages, no matter whether one does yajnas or not, whether one does worships or not, and so on...

You may be interested to read postings in this topic as well:

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=6896.msg25169#msg25169

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: On the Wings of Ecstasy
« on: May 06, 2012, 08:45:14 PM »
Dear i,

thank you for sharing this, i have not heard this, or it has slipped my memory... this is very beautiful.

"His Presence enlightening the sincere sadhakas"

gratitude..

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: On the Wings of Ecstasy
« on: May 06, 2012, 07:48:16 PM »
Om Namo Bhagavate sri ramanaya

3208
General topics / Re: On the Wings of Ecstasy
« on: May 06, 2012, 07:07:09 PM »
So true, Dear i, not everybody need be like Ramanar, Ramakrishnar, one can yet remain as an ordinary householder, just about anybody, one could imagine in our wildest imagination, he could be even a Truck driver.... there are no boundaries. Generally, Sadhakas have a sense of unconscious desire or expectation that on attainment of Jnana, one has to be somebody like Bhagavan wearing only Koupinam or one should just express oneself in ecstasy like Ramakrishnar having myriad colors and so on... or mordern day, some people expect jnanis to be somebody like JK, UG, some Maverick... and what not?

Known jnanis are very very little, unknown Jnanis are much much more... There are some people, in whose presence, one can experience absolute peace, but since our expectation is higher, unknown expectation, one will keep looking for jnana everywhere...

Some of us may have expectations that, i must settle in Arunachala, so that i can practice tapas there, and possibly attain Jnana there, or, one may want to go to Himalayas, settle in some Ashram, desires, desires even at Jnana.... But so simple, Bhagavan says, why worry about what happens when Jnana Dawns, what ever happens will happen... our only duty is to remain with the recognition of the source, where from this i has emerged...

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / Re: On the Wings of Ecstasy
« on: May 06, 2012, 06:46:18 PM »
Dear i,

Like the unknown invisible Siddhars who are in Arunachala, there are many enlightened ones amongsts us, maybe walking, eating, sitting just beside us...

Salutations to Bhagavan

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General topics / The Blessed Dawn
« on: May 06, 2012, 04:16:18 PM »
Om Namo Bhagavate Sri Ramanaya


Salutations to Bhagavan

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