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General Discussion / Secret of constant joy
« on: September 25, 2012, 05:20:28 AM »
A Zen Master was asked, "How do you live? What is the secret of your constant joy?"

He said, "Not much of a secret, when I feel hungry I eat and when I feel tired I sleep."


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 25, 2012, 05:19:07 AM »
Dear Deepa Ji,

the example you have quoted is apt, yes, the agitation in the waters does not contaminate the reflecting Sun upon it. whenever there is forgetfulness, there is samsara, and when there is awareness, there is ananda.


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General Discussion / prayer
« on: September 24, 2012, 10:02:07 PM »
'O Mother! O Blissful One! Reveal Thyself to me. Thou must!' Again, I would say to Her: 'O Lord of the lowly! O Lord of the universe! Surely I am not outside Thy universe. I am bereft of knowledge. I am without discipline. I have no devotion. I know nothing. Thou must be gracious and reveal Thyself to me.'

(Prayer as taught by Sri Ramakrshna)



They say Bhagavan is Deena Bandhu, meaning, friend of the poor, they say, deena bandhu means, God is the friend of those who are poor, yes, he is, but i felt, Deena or the poor are the ones like us, who have all the qualities that are in contrast to that of the ideal, one is expected to be. We need not feel painful about the bad qualities that lie hidden only to the Selves. Seek the help of the friend, who is hailed as Deena Bandhu, He does not see the bad qualities in us, but he sees the love that we have within and lifts us up, up and so up, close to him, so close as there would be no difference there in.


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Dear Sri Anil Ji,

Wonderful picture and a beautiful background of the Ganges. In Bhagavata sampradaya, this separation is called "Madhura Bhakti" . Dea Sri Anil ji, this separation is a gift of Bhagavan. I do not know how many have experienced bliss in pain. That pain of separation from Lord is more blissful than even the union. I know my statement seems ridiculous, but we have one word in tamil called "yEkam" rough meaning of sadness, despondency, like that of a lover waiting for his lover, or just something like that. this pain is heart melting. This separation is so wonderful. The Gopis illustrated this kind of love in Bhagavata.

Compared to this pain, any of those enquiries, amd i right or wrong, am i mad or sane, am i ok or not, nothing applies, am i following my Master's advise or not, am i egoistic or not, am i troubled by my ego or lust or anger or not, what ever be, if this pain is there, it is wonderful pain, even the bliss of union seems lesser sometimes in presence of this "yEkam" What could illustrate this more than the lives of Gopis and Krishna? here i reproduce one such gem i the form of Krishna and Radha.

Ironically, it is Krishna who is Bhakta of Radhe. Hair stands out!

This period of Vanavasa for you, and all of us, i pray be like that of Gopis,



He was the life breath of Gopis in Brindavan… The one with the peacock feather… The lotus eyed cowherd boy…

It was time  to leave for Mathura. He bids farewell to Yashoda and all others. He then proceeds to meet Radha. It was only Krishna who knew how pure her love for him was.  He kept thinking as to how to face her tears and how on earth to console and comfort her. As he was walking towards the Yamuna river where Radha would be, he could see her still form waiting for him.

As he approached her, he was perplexed to see her receive him with glowing smiles. She tells him, “Krishna, why do you look so sad and depressed? Are you scared of what would happen to me if you leave? For even if you leave me physically, can you ever leave my thoughts? You can’t leave me coz you’re already trapped in the cage of my loving heart.” Hearing this Krishna stands dumbfounded.

Recovering from the unexpected behavior, he bids goodbye. He walks a few steps ahead and turns back only to see his Radha literally rolling in the banks of Yamuna and crying aloud unable to bear the departure of her very life breath. Though she spoke with an intention to console him, the moment she found the dark, curly haired form leaving her, her suppressed emotions couldn’t find place in her soft heart and thus she broke down.

Seeing this Krishna rushes to her and holds her by her hands and the serene waters come from the divine eyes in the form of tears silently saying that He can’t bear to see her cry. Krishna holding her hands, but unable to console her, only looks into her eyes filled with his form. Radha then asks him, “I neither need your proximity nor your exclusive attention. But a boon to die on your lap”. For which Krishna promises, “Wherever I am, however I am I’ll surely be present by your side at the time of your death”

Assuring thus he rushes back to the place where the chariot stood with a fear to even look back at his beloved for he knew for sure, what she’d be doing…

This sight has melted the hardest of rock and hills that were present…

Years passed, Radha was married to someone whom she never even thought about, she was perpetually tortured by her in laws who misunderstood her relationship with the divine. She never paid heed to their abuses coz her mind, heart and soul were filled with Krishna and there was no room to accommodate the thoughts of others. She smiled, laughed, cried, spoke or even lived and breathed for Krishna. And thus time flew…

Those shining eyes, rosy complexion and our most charming Radha was no more the same. Her eyes grew dull, hair turned grey yet; her heart still twinkled with the memories of her dear most cowherd boy Krishna. It was time for her to leave the world.

She sees partially all her relatives around her deathbed and requests them to leave her alone on the banks of Yamuna . They do so though unwillingly. She remained there leaning against a tree looking at the sparkling waters of Yamuna. The tree she leaned on had her and Krishna’s name engraved upon its bark. Seeing this she remembered those days when she and Krishna used to play around the place, Krishna’s pranks, his words, his smile, the divine music from his flute… In fact it was Radha who had encouraged Krishna to play the flute.

Suddenly she starts getting hiccups (a sign to show that she’ll live no more). Unable to bear the physical and mental agony, she drops her body slowly only to find herself on the lap of the lord. Then she remembers the assurance that her Krishna had given her. Looking at him she breaks down. His smile brings tears to her eyes, his touch stirs her emotions and his very presence puts life into her. Looking at the plight of his beloved, Krishna says, “I’ve failed…” He then cries for the second time, he apologizes for having failed to grant the boon of his proximity to her. Then Radha tells him,” Lord, haven’t you given me the thoughts of yours? Haven’t you given me a heart that has a form of yours alone? A life that lived for you alone? Is it not a boon for me to live in this world yet remember you alone? Truly lord, the moment you left me, I realized that I’m nothing without you. The ego in me is dead. I’m hollow. Kindly take this hollow instrument in thy hands and breathe through thy lips thus letting me merge in the melodious tunes of thy breath.” (A hint for him to play the flute that she loved the most).

The music was so melodious that the whole environment around them rested in peace. And Radha was no exception to this. Krishna realizes that the queen of his heart is no more for his lap becomes heavy, as a result his heart heavier and his anger, heaviest.

The nature too feared the fury of the lord who stood there with red eyes, shedding tears for his Radha. He then looks at the flute and with all the strength that is latent in his creation, throws it into the Yamuna River.

Yes, that was the last time he played the flute. That is how the lord commits himself to his loved ones.

Radha’s and Krishna’s love was misunderstood by the residents of Brindavan as attraction and infatuation, and even today many do. It is up to the devotee the way he worships the lord. Like Hanuman’s was Dasya bhakti to Rama, Radha’s was Madhura Bhakti to Krishna. Yugas changed, but its difficult find someone like Radha who loved god throughout their life. Most importantly could love god alone throughout their life.


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General Discussion / Tomorrow
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:21:53 PM »
It was a fine morning, and Yudhishtira, the eldest of the Pandavas, was sitting on the verandah of his house when a beggar came asking for alsm. Yudhishtira told him that since he was busy the beggar should visit him the following day. And the beggar went away. Bhima, one of Yudhishtira's brother, heard him say this. He quickly picked up a drum and ran shouting to the village. Yudhishtira was surprised to see him do this and asked "What is the matter with you?"

Bhima said, "I am going to inform the village that my brother has conquered time, because he has made a promise for tomorrow. I really did not know you had become master of time, but your promise to the beggar tells me so. Are you sure you will live tomorrow? Ar you sure this beggar will live tomorrow? Do you know for sure that tomorrow you will be in a charitable mood and give alms to the beggar? And do you know that you and the beggar will see each other again tomorrow? It seems you have conquered time and I should tell the village about this great event. And I am in a hurry, I don't want to delay, becauseI am not sure that if i miss this hour I will have it again."

Yudhishtira then said to Bhima, "Wait a moment; i made a mistake. he alone can make such a promise who has attained to supreme freedom. Call the beggar back so I can give him something right now. Tomorrow is really unknown."


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Dear Sri Anil Ji,

By the way, i envy your job profile  :) , working near the holy Ganges, and a job that involves protecting/cleansing the mother nature for posterity, infact, your job profile is truly the spirit of a Ritual Worship with abhishekam, bathing the God.


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General Discussion / disinterestedness
« on: September 23, 2012, 07:33:27 PM »
ಗೌರವಿಸು ಜೀವನವ, ಗೌರವಿಸು ಚೇತನವ ।
ಆರದೋ ಜಗವೆಂದು ಭೇದವೆಣಿಸದಿರು ॥
ಹೋರುವುದೆ ಜೀವನಸಮೃದ್ಧಿಗೋಸುಗ ನಿನಗೆ ।
ದಾರಿಯಾತ್ಮೊನ್ನತಿಗೆ – ಮಂಕುತಿಮ್ಮ ॥ ೪೭೫ ॥

gouravisu jIvanava, gouravisu chEtanava ।
Arado jagavendu bhedaveNisadiru ॥
hOruvude jIvana samRuddhigOsuga ninage ।
dAri AtmOnnatige – Mankutimma ॥ 475 ॥

“Respect life, respect the Chaitanya that is the source of all.
Don’t be disinterested in this world assuming someone else is running it.
Putting in hard work is the only path towards prosperity.
It is also the path towards enrichment of your soul.” – Mankutimma

(DV Gundappa)

Life has become a torture chamber, a concentration camp; it is no more a celebration. It should be a celebration. If nature is allowed to take its own course, it is bound to be a celebration.

(Anonymous quote)

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I do not know what is going to become of me. I do not want activities. I want to do nothing other than abide in the Self. But prarabdha gave me tremendous activities. Imagine a sadhaka, chanting always Sri Bhagwan’s Name and doing Vichara, engaged in massive anti-erosion flood fighting activities, round the clock, on an embankment on the bank of the sacred river Ganges! I do not understand and sometimes I sob. Why all this to a totally God-loving person?

Dear Sri Anil Ji,

What i am expressing below is not something that is unknown to you. i am sure, you are well aware of it already. But, there is a response taking birth within here for you. Dear Sri Anil Ji,

I am able to empathise with you, from the core my heart, because, i have been through the same boat as you are, i see myself in you. Being troubled by activities, where as there is peace by practice of abidance.

However, one day, it dawned to me, that this was happening mainly because, there was resistance in engagting in activity. i was later able to discover that peace was more easily achieved when i began to willingly engage in my activities. Self abidance is not contrary to Activities, even more, it has absolutely nothing to do with our practice self abidance.

That peace which was experienced in non-action, ie. exhibit resistence on activities is actually false. That is Truly Self Abidance that lasts even during activities as well.

It became evident, how i was being identified with my activities and body, without which there can be no resistance.

That moment onwards, i began to strive to willingly engage in activities. It dawned that abidance in Self, that is achieved by resting the body away from activities was false, delusion, what connection is there for the abidance of oneself and mind? The Buddhists use a wonderful term at this which is called "Mindfullness" in activities.

The problem was because of an illusive demand for the body also to abide as Self along with us. The body is inert, the Body may act, it is the mind, truly, that needs to abide as Self, the activities need not abide in Self.

Hope, this but is of some help. Kindly feel free to ignore, if it may not be in line with your practice.

with prayers and love,


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General Discussion / Retribution
« on: September 23, 2012, 05:22:10 PM »
Justice is not postponed. A perfect equity adjusts its balance in all parts of life. Oi chusoi Dios aei enpiptousi, -- The dice of God are always loaded. The world looks like a multiplication-table, or a mathematical equation, which, turn it how you will, balances itself. Take what figure you will, its exact value, nor more nor less, still returns to you. Every secret is told, every crime is punished, every virtue rewarded, every wrong redressed, in silence and certainty. What we call retribution is the universal necessity by which the whole appears wherever a part appears. If you see smoke, there must be fire. If you see a hand or a limb, you know that the trunk to which it belongs is there behind.

Ralph Waldo Emerson - "Compensations"


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Dear Sri Anil Ji,

As conveyed, i would, at any time, not wish, even in my dreams, as well, to be a reason for somebody to swerve from their path, knowingly and pray to Lord that, He help me, not to become a reason for anybody to swerve from their path unknowingly as well.

I love your perseverance and adore your sincerety as well. Ji, most definitely, i do not mind, infact, it makes things easier when we are able to express openly to each other.

with prayers and love,


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General Discussion / highly eliminated
« on: September 23, 2012, 10:55:12 AM »
A student asked his teacher, are you enlightened? the terrific teacher that he was, gave the perfect reply to this very question:

No sir!, replied the venerable master,
I am not enlightened.

But I am highly eliminated!


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Quote
I do not wish to digress and want to maintain the focus. This discussion started to extend unnecessarily when you observed:
Quote from Sri Nagaraj:

Dear Sri Anil ji, the whole discussion is mainly addressed to the fear of digression. There would be no question of digression when there is nothing else to digress to.

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I wish to state therefore that in stead of focussing on intellect or the mind I have always sought to seek for the Source of our being and maintaining the Self-attention.   

i have attempted to bring focus to the discernment that the intellect, mind, and Self, are all the same one source. Subject to the above discernment in my posts, once it is dawned that what we refer as pure mind, ego mind, intellect, Self, Atma, are all one and the same.

if these discussions were digression and is hindrance to maintaining your focus on Self, my apologies and i certainly do not wish or desire to trouble somebody who is in meditation.


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That which we attribute the intellect, is the same as the Self as well. Sri Bhagavan says below -

"Well, that is so far as the intellect goes. Your process is only intellectual. Indeed, all the scriptures mention the process only to guide the seeker to know the Truth. The Truth cannot be directly pointed out. Hence this intellectual process. You see, the one who eliminates all the “not I” cannot eliminate the “I.” To say “I am not this” or “I am that” there must be the “I.” This “I” is only the ego or the “I”-thought. After the rising up of this “I”-thought all other thoughts arise. The “I”-thought is therefore the root-thought. If the root is pulled out all others are at the same time uprooted. Therefore seek the root “I,” question yourself "Who am I?”'; find out its source. Then all these will vanish and the pure Self will remain ever.

What i am trying to point out is this - "You see, the one who eliminates all the “not I” cannot eliminate the “I.” To say “I am not this” or “I am that” there must be the “I.” This “I” is only the ego or the “I”-thought."

that, the 'I'  that cannot be eliminated is the same 'I' which we attribute the intellect as well. The intellect which discerns this is also the same intellect. Only for communications purpose, to indicate that the Self is Ego-Less, it is conveyed that the residue that remains, the 'I' that cannot be eliminated, which eliminates the 'Not-I' is the same 'I' which we attribute as the discerning intellect.

Further Bhagavan says, "Therefore seek the root “I,” question yourself "Who am I?”'; find out its source. Then all these will vanish and the pure Self will remain ever."

He also has said, "That which makes the enquiry is the ego. The `I' about which the enquiry is made is also the ego. As the result of the enquiry the ego ceases to exist and only the Self is found to exist."

This also, is discerned by the same source, that which we call or attribute as the discerning intellect.

Thus, it is the same Buddhi, Intellect, that is Self, free from all contamination and all delusions. The Self is not any time different. The whole point, i am trying to express is that, if this is truly truly DISCERNED, there will absolutely not be any confusion, delusion. No more a need to enquire the source, as the source is the very source that discerns all these.

That which we call intellect, comes to be called as 'Self' that is all, merely to segregate for communications purpose. There is really no annihilation of intellect that gives way to Self. that the Self shines as "I-I" is simply said to indicate the the very same source, that always has been through all states, Ignorance, delusion and Clarity.

Still, if there is any need to Enquire, then it only means that the discerning intellect is still unclear, and is still in search of clarity, Self, It dives deep further and stops not till it realises that Self is none but Self, as above, found to be the source of everything.

When Ego begins to think, it is called Buddhi, when Buddhi begins to discern, it is called Intellect, when intellect ceases from discerning anymore, it is called Self. the residue is Peace, Ananda, Bliss, Eternity, etc...

Sri Bhagavan says:

D: Even so, I do not understand. “I,” you say, is the wrong “I” now. How to eliminate this wrong “I”?

You need not eliminate the wrong “I.” How can “I” eliminate itself? All that you need do is to find out its origin and abide there. Your efforts can extend only thus far. Then the Beyond will take care of itself. You are helpless there. No effort can reach it.

As he says, our efforts extend only thus far as to find the source of 'I' its origin and abide there. The ripened intellect realises itself to be the source of 'I' and finds itself helpless, as it discerns that the Self, that, it was in search of, is not different from it-Self. It is caught in a catch-22 situation, not knowing what more to do, simply because, deliberate volition on its part is finished, which is what is called the annihilation of intellect or buddhi or the ego. But yet, continues to be as before, without any change. still able to express itself, continue like ever before, like a Lion in a jungle, without any more worries, race, quest, delusions.

D: If “I” am always-here and now, why do I not feel so?

M: That is it. Who says it is not felt? Does the real “I” say it or the false “I”? Examine it. You will find it is the wrong “I.” The wrong “I” is the obstruction. It has to be removed in order that the true “I” may not be hidden. The feeling that I have not realised is the obstruction to realisation.

In fact it is already realised; there is nothing more to be realised. Otherwise, the realisation will be new; it has not existed so far; it must take place hereafter. What is born will also die. If realisation be not eternal it is not worth having. Therefore what we seek is not that which must happen afresh. It is only that which is eternal but not now known due to obstructions; it is that we seek. All that we need do is to remove the obstruction. That which is eternal is not known to be so because of ignorance. Ignorance is the obstruction. Get over this ignorance and all will be well.

The ignorance is identical with the “I”-thought. Find its source and it will vanish.

The “I”-thought is like a spirit which, although not palpable, rises up automatically with the body, flourishes and disappears with it. The body-consciousness is the wrong “I.” Give up this body-consciousness. It is done by seeking the source of “I.” The body does not say “I am.” It is you who say, “I am the body!” Find out who this “I” is. Seeking its source it will vanish.




Disclaimer: These expressions, discernment are more relevant for the ones who have done some real homework, Self Enquiry, therefore, may be flabbergasting for the ones who are relatively new to Atma Vichara. I therefore request members may please extend their caution in absorbing the expressions given above, and absolutely feel free to reject any thought ideas, if it does not fall to ones own school of thought. These expressions are merely for discernment purposes, ones own self stands as ones own guide in the spirt of the Gita Verse in the presence of a Guru "Let a man raise himself by himself, let him not lower himself; for he alone is the friend of himself, he alone is the enemy of himself." and I am having to say this, as there have been expressions in the past that, such things should not be conveyed in open platform, and people who come here may read these and go about deluded claiming I am Brahman, and so on. Such ones are therefore requested to exercise keen discernment before coming to any conclusions. Thank you.

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 23, 2012, 06:07:59 AM »
Dear Jewel, my friend, what can i say. am just unable to express more than the picture below:



i have wondered o many times before, the first verse from the 40 verses in Praise of Sri Ramana, which goes as follows (below) is full of ego, i used to wonder how did Sri Bhagavan sanction this verse composed by Sri Vasishta Ganapati Muni. As this verse would be chanted by thousands, in the days to come, i used to feel very guilty before to even chant this verse that dares to express that I bow to the lotus feet of the spiritual teacher, Rishi Sri Ramana, who showed me the Lord, shining, transcending darkness. How could i go about praying to Sri Bhagavan and sing praises him and express at the same time as "who showed me the Lord, shining, transcending darkness." i used to go in guilt trips, feeling so uneasy to even sing that second line, the tongue would even resist to dare to even utter such a prayer, because, it felt, without retaining ego, one can never sing, He showed me the Lord, Shining, transcending darkness. But Later, slowly, it came to dawn, that Sri Bhagavan has sanctioned this verse, and, it is out of great gratitude that one sings what is conveyed in the verse. What is required is to never forget that gratitude.

vande shri ramaNarSher aacaaryasya padaabjam |
yo me'darshayadiisham bhaantaM dvaantamatiitya ||

vande - I bow,
sri ramanarser - of Rishi Sri Ramana ,
acharyasya - of the spiritual teacher,
padabjam - lotus feet,
yah- who,
me - me,
adarsayad - showed,
isam - Lord,
bhantam - shining,
dhvantam - darkness,
atitya - transcending

I bow to the lotus feet of the spiritual teacher, Rishi Sri Ramana,
who showed me the Lord, shining, transcending darkness.

The very first thing that i happened to read today morning is the following verse from Guru Ramana Vachana Mala, 96:

Being himself exactly the Supreme Being, but thinking himself to be separate from Him, (man) strives to become united to Him; what is there stranger than this?


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 22, 2012, 09:24:11 PM »
Dear jewel,

I hope i have not in any way mis-communicated anything in my post. i never expressed anything in a way that could least create any hard feelings in any manner. i have tried to express in most honest way, and what you express and what i express, both holds good for me as well as much.

i believe, it is nothing about right or wrong, what is important beneath all these is if it is held and supported by Bhakti, love of God. Without this, everything is worthless. Any day, i would still opt to be just an ignorant servant in the holy feet of Bhagavan, over even salvation. Perhaps, i some times contemplate that it is a blessing in disguise to even retain ego, without which you will not get an opportunity to fall flat to the holy feet of Bhagavan.

It is the feeling of gratitude to have come in contact with the great Master that is supreme bliss over anything else. Nothing more is really required, this is all His divine play. What matters, if things are right or wrong? true or false, real or unreal, ignorant or worthy? Can all these better the glance of the Guru? Even the scoldings/admonishing to our ignorance of the Guru is so sweet.

If there is a choice to become a jnani or a Chela (Servant or Attendant) to my Guru, the latter is definitely more inviting than the former to me.

Prostrations to Bhagavan


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