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General Discussion / Love sustains Life
« on: September 27, 2012, 08:16:53 PM »
I was on my way home from hunting, and was walking up the garden avenue. My dog was running on in front of me.

Suddenly he slackened his pace, and began to steal forward as though he scented game ahead.

I looked along the avenue and I saw on the ground a young sparrow, its beak edged with yellow, and its head covered with soft down. It had fallen from the nest (a strong wind was blowing, and shaking the birches of the avenue)l and there it sat and never stirred, except to stretch out its little half  grown wings in a helpless flutter.

My dog was slowly approaching it, when suddenly, darting from the tree overhead, and old black-throated sparrow dropt like stone right before his nose and all rumpled and flustered with a plaintive desperate cry flung itself, once, twice, at his open jaws with their great teeth.

It would save its young one it screened it with its own body the tiny frame quivered with terror; the little cries grew wild and hoarse it sank and died. It had sacrificed itself.

What a huge monster the dog must have seemed to it! And yet it could not stay up there on its safe bough. A power stronger than its own will tore it away.

My dog too stood still, and then slunk back disconcerted, plainly he too had to recognise that power. I called him to me; and a feeling of reverence came over me as I passed on.

Yes, do not laugh. IT was really reverence. I felt before that little heroic bird and the passionate out-burst of its love.

Love, I thought is verily stronger than death and the terror of death. By love, only by love, is life sustained and moved.

(AC Bradley, Oxford Lectures on Poetry)


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General Discussion / Reality & Illusion
« on: September 27, 2012, 04:42:38 PM »
MONK: “Where is the Reality in appearance?”
MASTER: “Wherever there is appearance, there is Reality.”

MONK: “How does It manifest Itself?”
MASTER: (The master silently lifted his stick.)

MONK: “But where is the Reality in illusion?”
MASTER: “The origin of illusion is the Real.”

MONK: “But how can Reality manifest Itself in illusion?”
MASTER: “Wherever there is illusion, there is the manifestation of Reality.”

MONK: “Do you say, then, Reality can never be separated from illusion?”
MASTER: “Where can you possibly find the appearance of illusion?”


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Humour / Re: Problem vs Solution
« on: September 27, 2012, 10:36:40 AM »
:D nice one, and so true, this is i guess a normal aspect in most houses, in some way or the other. Reminded me of Mulla Nasruddin stories :)


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General Discussion / Ramana Oli in Shankata TV
« on: September 27, 2012, 10:12:41 AM »
Dear Devotees,

Not sure, how many are you are aware, every Tuesdays, in Shankara TV, 8 or 8:30, they telecast Ramana Oli, serial on Sri Bhagavan, made by the RMCL, Bangalore.


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 26, 2012, 08:23:52 PM »
and, suppose it is a discernment as you say:

We want an object so dearly because it makes us better and happier. so there is obstinacy for that result. so how can we handle obstinacy directly rather than handling the attachment to that object ?

You have raised a question, not a discernment as you claim. therefore, your reasoning has to be completed. You have to realise that i am no way going to provide you any solution. You have a problem at hand, as to how to handle obstinacy, and you had asked how to handle obstinacy directly rather than handling the attachment to that object"

firstly, obstinacy is no different from attachment to that object, but only it is more fearce, if it is obstinacy.

there is one direct was to handle directly, as you hope for. That is absolute Surrender, unconditionally, accept what you have as the Lord's gift and question no more.

There are only these two ways. Sri Bhagavan said - "If one surrenders oneself there will be no one to ask questions or to be thought of. Either the thoughts are eliminated by holding on to the root-thought `I', or one surrenders oneself unconditionally to the higher power. These are the only two ways for realization."

without doing either of the above completely, you will reach no where, you have to complete your journey to reach your destination, nothing happens by stopping half way and hope for a direct way to reach destination, excepting the above 2 ways.

I want to make it clear, that, all i can say is, all solutions lie deep within yourself, and your solutions do not lie here. You have to dig deep within yourself and suit yourself, in which way you are inclined, either unconditional surrender or by  the reasoning yourself out, as revealed by the Sages over the ages across. Even otherwise, suppose you do not want to trust the words of the Sages, you would still have only these options. Or in case you discover something new, or have discovered something already, you may please share it in the open.


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Sirk,

i happened to read this after the previous post.

OorilEn kANiyillai; uRavu maRRu oruvar illai;
pAril nin pAtha moolam paRRilEn parama moorthee;
kAroLi vaNNanE (en) kaNNanE! kadharuginREn;
AruLar kaLaikaN ammA! arngamA nagaruLAnE

I have no place; no properties; no relatves; none other than you; I know only your Lotus feet; O Lord of Blue hued sky colour! You only are my refuge. Can you not hear my cries? Is there any one else to save me except you?

(Thondaradippodi Azhwar)


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 26, 2012, 07:15:55 PM »
:) is that not a discernment itself sir?

No, it is kutarka. If it were discernment, you would not be asking these questions.

such a one will reach no where.


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கைதான்நெகிழ  விடேன்  உடையாய்  என்னைக்  கண்டு கொள்ளே. 

O My Master, kindly see me and take me to Your abode!

this prayer is enough for anything.

Sir, If all our analytical thinking is coupled with this... would be a great blessing

I have heard my iyengar friends, say that some Azhwar songs throw him out of his wits and make him stay transfixed, at the kind of expressions those poets have come up with.


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 26, 2012, 07:00:50 PM »
Sir What to discern ?
Please explain a little more.

        is not that obstinacy a direct product of how "dearly" we want the object ?
We want an object so dearly because it makes us better and happier. so there is obstinacy for that result.
so how can we handle obstinacy directly rather than handling the attachment to that object ?


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 26, 2012, 06:25:34 PM »
There is no ready made quick-fix solution. The answer to your questions lie within yourself. You have to sit and look at your self and the problem at your hand and discern yourself honestly, and arrive at peace.

One thing you have to remember when you sit to sort yourself out are the 3 important points give below:

In contemplation or reasoning, there are 3 aspects,

  • Kutarka - means illogical, where the intention is not right. Logic is applied here with the sole purpose of finding fault. One knows deep inside that it is not right, but still, logically you prove that it is right.
  • Vitarka - Vitarka is logic that cannot be reversed. It is asking questions to which there are no evident answers....Who am I? Where am I? What do I really want? Vitarka reasoning always looks to the lighter side, the positive side, optimistic side
  • Tarka - is sequential logical understanding, effort made in order to genuinely discern the truth

It is how you take your self upwards. It all rests in your hands. There are loads of spiritual book, and guidance of many Sages to grace you. It is all in your hands. The extant of your effort decides the result you are looking for.


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 26, 2012, 06:06:02 PM »
sir if an object can make me happier and I cannot get that object how can disappointment be avoided ?

If you don't get something you desire, then you have to work out your obstinacy. you get what you sow. learn from your mistakes and better yourself.

Your answer is already answered in my posts, request you to kindly go through it deeply.

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"You are not in any race in life. For when we are in some race, it gives rise to greed, hate and so on and we tend to accumulate new karmas, more than what we can handle."

"Suppose, you studied very hard and yet you got 20 marks less than what you expected, then Krishna says, work without desire, accept what you get, that doesn't mean, you do not sit quiet, go for a revaluation, try all your options, if you are not happy and if you get more marks by it, good, if not, move on. If you are already ok, without even re evaluation, then it is fine and good, it may be so, you might get 20 marks after reevaluation, but when you are already content and ok, what matters?

And isn't it common sense to not brood over your efforts later when we don't get that 20 marks as we expected? Even after re evaluation, i should have done like that i should have done like this, and showing our frustrations upon others, being gloomy, etc... All these only mean not taking doership. These aftermath, we should be cool, Its ok attitude, move on, not make things bigger than what they really are. Ok, i have got less than what i expected. May be, next time, i can work better, we ought to pacify ourselves and move on."


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 26, 2012, 05:43:54 PM »
"When you believe, the bliss or joy you experience is less, then you look for more bliss, some where else, and go behind a goal that doesn't really exist anywhere but oneself."

is this no so sir? if indeed there is no "more" joy than this, why would anyone desire at all ? that there is desire means we perceive that there is more joy in other things, isnt it sir?

WRT to the above discernment as expressed in my post, there is nothing wrong in desiring to experience joy in other things because, such a one will know, it is the same joy being experiened in another thing. Keep desiring, live your life well.

You may eat different sweets, but in the end, it is sweetness that you experience in various forms, in various flavors.


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Dear Sri Anil Ji,

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Sri Kabir’s Saying:
‘All know that the drop merges into the ocean but few know that the ocean merges into the drop.’
This is the essence of Supreme Love and Supreme Devotion and the basis of all creation.

What a beautiful expression

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   IT IS THE INTENSE SENSE OF SEPARATION THAT ONE SEEKS REUNION. If this pang would not be there, how and why and with whom should one seek reunion? Therefore, yes, this pang is the Guru's or the God's Grace.

the yearning to go back home, is so beautiful. So very true Dear Anil Ji, "If this pang would not be there, how and why and with whom should one seek reunion? Therefore, yes, this pang is the Guru's or the God's Grace"

Sri Ramakrishna said -

"Cry to the Lord with an intensely yearning heart and you will certainly see Him. People shed a whole jug of tears for wife and children.  They swim in tears for money. But who weeps for God? Cry to Him with a real cry."

"Longing is like the rosy dawn. After the dawn out comes the sun. Longing is followed by the vision of God.

Sri Bhagavan has said -

"One should not use the Name of God mechanically and superficially without the feeling of devotion. To use the name of God one must call upon Him with yearning and unreservedly surrender oneself to Him. Only after such surrender is the Name of God constantly with the man.” (Spiritual Teaching of Ramana Maharshi)

and, what a beautiful picture, Sri Anil Ji, breathtaking, the sun setting, and the waters at poise, it is a benediction. how lovely is Mother Nature, She sustains all of us without complaints, irrespective of how her children are, good or bad.


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 26, 2012, 04:20:11 PM »
It is not a weakness to cry, we are brainwashed since long to hide our feelings, this is the root reasons for the majority of diseases.

What i discerned is that, Nishkamya Karma  results when -

You are not in any race in life. For when we are in some race, it gives rise to greed, hate and so on and we tend to accumulate new karmas, more than what we can handle.

You do not believe that there is some other bliss existing other than the bliss you experiecne right here, within you, in what you do, in your very daily life. The bliss or enjoyment, (call what we may) derived out of doing a work or a duty well done is the same bliss of the Self. When you believe, the bliss or joy you experience is less, then you look for more bliss, some where else, and go behind a goal that doesn't really exist anywhere but oneself.

Not regarding ones station in life as inferior to spiritual scale. One is not superior than the other.

Do not live for others, live of self. Because, when you truly live for yourself, true to your principles and values, you will ever be happy and you will be a source of light and strength to people around you. All will be happy.

It is not sin to enjoy, be happy, experience joy, all forms of joy from what we call the worldly things. Things become "worldly" only when we live contrary to the points discerned as above.

Life is not complicated, if we have courage to live it, the way it is to be lived.

Lastly, do not ever judge yourself or anybody. learn from your mistakes, strive to better. Effort itself is Grace. The more we strive sincerely, the sincere efforts itself is Grace.

Then, who cares, if it is lived Nishkamya, leave it for others to judge, what matters when you are contented? if they say, you are Self realised, let it be, if they say, you are not, let it be.

Shanti is Self.


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General Discussion / doership, enjoyership, nishkamya karma
« on: September 26, 2012, 12:24:35 PM »
We should cease from interpreting these terms such as doership, enjoyership, nishkamya karma etc.. Mechanically and literally. One should discern and strive to imbibe the true spirit.

The essential nature of a human being is not complete without these special features, of being able to DO, of being able to ENJOY. A Human Being in endowed and blessed with intelligence and discrimination to chose between the right and wrong, the true and the false.
When we talk of non-doership, non-enjoyership, desireless-karma and all, what are we aspiring to be? Is this evolution? We need not be even born at all for this! What is a jnani without these special blessings? They say, Jnani is not the body, and body is not the Jnani, yes, it is all true, but we are taking these thoughts over the boundary in to some dry imaginations.

Desire, desire well, Do, do well, Act, act well. Experience, feel the pains and pleasures of the life, it is not great to be like a stone, when somebody out there, loved or anybody is struggling in pain! Oh, yes, Krishna says, i should be same in joy and sorrow, i should be the same, i should not cry when i feel sorrow and i should not be over joyous when i am happy, such interpretations are really disease, i would say.

Share the burden and joy of others; it is not spirituality to run away from these, to become somebody who is unmoved when sorrow and joy befalls. Have empathy, instead of sympathy.

True spirituality is to move on, not remain stuck in memories. Not delving in past and future. True import ought to be discerned. Otherwise, spirituality will become a neurotic disorder.

Nishkamya karma, work without desire, Non Doership, Enjoyership - all these terms are abused so badly and understood so badly that really wrecks one’s life.
I should work without desire, i should not expect the fruits of my actions, and i should work? What kind of evolution are we talking about? We are bogged by dogmatic understanding. We ought to live with full spirit, bloom like a flower full of life and colour.

Suppose, you studied very hard and yet you got 20 marks less than what you expected, then Krishna says, work without desire, accept what you get, that doesn't mean, you do not sit quiet, go for a revaluation, try all your options, if you are not happy and if you get more marks by it, good, if not, move on. If you are already ok, without even re evaluation, then it is fine and good, it may be so, you might get 20 marks after reevaluation, but when you are already content and ok, what matters?

And isn't it common sense to not brood over your efforts later when we don't get that 20 marks as we expected? Even after re evaluation, i should have done like that i should have done like this, and showing our frustrations upon others, being gloomy, etc... All these only mean not taking doership. These aftermath, we should be cool, Its ok attitude, move on, not make things bigger than what they really are. Ok, i have got less than what i expected. May be, next time, i can work better, we ought to pacify ourselves and move on.

Almost all sages, say, keep away from lust and money. Does it mean, everybody should stop stay away from them literally? Keep away from them simply because they say so? We should discern, i believe, earning lots of money is not bad, but we have to see that we are not behind it, it should be behind us, when you see somebody struggling, you should have the heart to share your wealth with such ones. The same applies with women as well. Some people are naturally blessed to not get married, and hence they are by default free from lust, but others, should not imitate, oh, he is spiritual and not married, i should also be like that, i should not get married, this will result negatively, one may keep thinking about women in his mind, while externally he will remain unmarried, instead, he may get married. Constantly thinking only about money and woman, to the extent that it camouflages ones real duty, is what is condemned.

Even if we have some bad quality, each one knows, one should be in control of it, that is, that should not lead you, you should be in a position to tame yourself in situations. Let the desries work themselves out. Do not force onto yourselves Desirelessness. Having Desires is not Less Spiritual than having no Desires. Even the so called Desireless ones also have small desires, those are joys of life, blessings of having a human body. Enjoy this body, do not condemn it. This body is a great boon! Use it well! live your life. fully. This is my discernment.
some musings...


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