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General Discussion / Till life's test comes
« on: September 29, 2012, 07:50:08 PM »
ಸರ್ವರುಮ್ ಸಾಧುಗಳೇ ಸರ್ವರುಮ್ ಬೋಧಕರೇ
ಜೀವನಪರೀಕ್ಷೆ ಬಂದಿದಿರು ನಿಲುವನಕ
ಭಾವಾಮರ್ಮಮ್ಗಳೆಳುವುವಾಗ ತಳದಿಂದ
ದೇವರೇ ಗತಿಯಾಗ - ಮಂಕುತಿಮ್ಮ

Sarvarum Saadhugale Sarvarum Bodhakare
Jeevanaparikshe bandidiru Niluvanaka
Bhaava marmangalelu vuvaaga Taladinda
Devare Gatiyaaga - Mankuthimma

Everybody is a Saint, Everybody a Preacher,
Till, Life's tests comes and stands in front,
Inner secrets of nature (vasanas) then rise from the bottom
God is the only refuge then - Mankuthimma

DVG says, Every body is a saint and a preacher, he refers to most of us, we read so many books and assimilate so much knowledge and go about as though we are Saints and also share our knowledge, could be so, even with good intentions. But all these confidence, in our knowledge of Self, Brahma Satyam JaganMithya, Brahmaiva Satyam etc... lasts only thus long, till Life throws upon us some testing times, then all the inner secret feelings (பதட்டம்    தளணம்) begin to sprout that were long hidden by those knowledges "Brahmaiva Satyam & so on" of fear, depression, under confidence, we begin to ponder and pray, O God why Thou test me so much? i cant endure this life,...  we wonder what happened to all our wisdom and capabilities. Then at such a time, Ayamatma Brahma, Brahma Satyam Jaganmithya all disappear and only God is refuge then - Thus says Mankuthimma.

DVG uses the word Talanam, the word is also in Tamil well, (பதட்டம்    தளணம்) infact, Old Kannada is very very similar to Tamil, with little effort one can assimilate the essence from the mula (Kannada) itself   


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 29, 2012, 05:41:12 PM »
Swami VivekAnanda: "They alone live who live for others;the rest are more dead than alive"
We know that we exist;we also need to live.Without living,self realization is a chimera.

Of course, spirituality is not about "Living dead people". It is about those who thrive in joy even in worst. 

Yes,Lord Jesus said so powerfully:'Let the Dead bury the Dead;Do thou follow me'.
What a life mother teresa lived!To have come from a different country,forsaking kith and kin,taking to a life of serving the Lepers and the Dying!!!
People balk at the prospect of wiping the  bottom and  of their own baby!They close their nostrils with a handkerchief!
Here Mother has inspired so many young and earnest souls to serve the sick and the poor;this often involved being soiled by their vomit and excreta.All this service is in the name of the lord.
The least we can do is to acknowledge the thyAga of these Gallant souls who have dedicated themselves to such service.This is also sAdhana and a very potent one as well. Namaskar.

Friends,

Truly being in quest of Self, God, one will begin to experience emotional shifts of energy, as his consciousness is more open, not just limited to ones own family and friends. Somewhere something happens in some country, would begin to attract or extract your empathy from within, somewhere somebody throws a stone on some stray dog, it will attract or extract your love and compassion from within. Everybody becomes your people, your family, your-Self, finally. What happens to them, affect you.

The only way to know if we are really progressing in our spirituality is our ability to connect with others, to relieve others of their burden, pains and agony. Not even striving to provide solution, but merely listening them out, in understanding. What do the Guru, Acharyas or Bhagavan  have been doing all along, They simply listened to people. Listening is not easy. It is Everything.

Even the most precious thing one can genuinely offer God is ones own tears, and absolutely nothing else, and nothing else is really ours, it is only those tears that is true expression of the Self, Brahman, Atma, everything else belongs to body and world. Realisation should not supersede ones Dharma. Realisation is the fruit the Lord bestows on one who truly follows ones Dharma.


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General topics / Mathruka Panchakam
« on: September 29, 2012, 05:17:28 PM »
i'd like to contribute to this thread, with Bhagavatpaadaal's not much known work, known as Mathruka Panchakam that very openly conveys the heart of Bhagavatpaadaal, which is as soft of a flower. Ramanar has said somewhere that a Guru is as soft as a pushpam and as hard as a diamond, such is the mystery of Self. Bhagavatpaadaal is commonly known as a great intellect and so on, but they fail to notice his heart which is so very soft, it is his compassion for the children of posterity that he established Math's and he composed so many stotras, and many other works, which even today, people go about murmuring in the mouth either knowingly or unknowingly, this is the heart of this country.

If any body really can be called as KARUNANIDHI, (reservoir of empathy or compassion) it is Sri Bhagavatpaadal.

I have heard in so many places, converse, that Bhagavan did not shead a single tear when his mother passed away, such was his Sthithi, Nishtai, etc... This is not the aspect that is to be celebrated, i mean, what makes us think that Mother Azhagamaal's demise did not trouble Bhagavan even a little bit. Jivanmuktas have repeatedly expressed that they are not different from us, and that they see and experience the same world as us, but there is only one difference, that is they know, and others do not know. It could be quite true to even say, Sri Ramar had cried more than Mother Sita. Just stressing the importance of being sensitive. Emotions are not bad, they are not to be suppressed, only thing is that they should not be in control of us, but we have to be in control of emotions.

aasthaam tavaddeyam prasoothi samaye durvara soola vyadha,
nairuchyam thanu soshanam malamayee sayya cha samvatsaree,
ekasyapi na garbha bara bharana klesasya yasya kshmo dhathum,
nishkruthi  munnathopi thanaya tasya janyai nama.

Oh mother mine,
With clenched teeth bore thou the excruciating pain,
When I was born to you,
Shared thou the bed made dirty by me for an year,
And thine body became thin and painful,
During those nine months that you bore me,
For all these in return,
Oh mother dearest,
I can never compensate,
Even by my becoming great.

gurukulamupasruthya swapnakaale thu drushtwa,
yathi samuchitha vesham praarudho maam twamuchai
gurukulamadha  sarva prarudathe samaksham
sapadhi charanayosthe mathurasthu pranaama.

Clad in a dress of a sanyasin,
You saw me in my teacher’s school,
In your dream and wept,
And rushed thither,
Smothered, embraced and fondled me, Oh mother mine,
And all the teachers and students wept with you dear,
What could I do,
Except falling at your feet,
And offering my salutations.

ambethi thathethi shivethi tasmin,
prasoothikale yadavocha uchai,
krishnethi govinda hare mukunde tyaho,
janye rachito ayamanjali.

Oh mother mine,
Crying thou shouted in pain,
During thine hard labour,
“Oh mother, Oh father,
Oh God Shiva,
Oh Lord Krishna,
Oh Lord of all, Govinda,
Oh Hari and Oh God Mukunda,”
But in return,
Oh my mother dearest.
I can give you but humble prostrations.

na dattam mathasthe marana samaye thoyamapi vaa,
swadhaa vaa no dheyaa maranadivase sraadha vidhina
na japtho mathasthe marana samaye tharaka manu,
akale samprapthe mayi kuru dhayaam matharathulaam.

Neither did I give you water at thine time of death,
Neither did I offer oblations to thee to help thine journey of death,
And neither did I chant the name of Rama in thine ear,
Oh Mother supreme, pardon me for these lapses with compassion,
For I have arrived here late to attend to those.

mukthaa manisthvam, nayanam mamethi,
rajethi jeevethi chiram sthutha thwam,
ithyuktha vathya vaachi mathaa,
dadamyaham thandulamesh shulkam.

Long live,
Oh, pearl mine,
Oh jewel mine,
Oh my dearest eyes,
Oh mine prince dearest,
And oh my soul of soul,
Sang thou to me,
But in return of that all,
Oh my mother dearest.
I give you but dry rice in your mouth.

If any body requires this or any shlokas in Devanagari, i could type it out at request, kindly let me know.


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General Discussion / Mother Theresa
« on: September 29, 2012, 04:28:51 PM »
As a prompt, am just happy to post this article on Mother Theresa.

Mother Teresa was born Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu, the youngest of three children of an Albanian builder, on August 26, 1910 in Skopje, Macedonia. She felt that August 27, 1910, the day of her baptism, was her true birthday. At the age of 18 she joined the Order of the Sisters of Our Lady of Loreto in Ireland. She trained in Dublin, where the motherhouse of the Loreto Sisters was located. She chose the name of Sister Teresa, in memory of Saint Thérèse of Lisieux.

In December 1928 she began her journey to India and continued to Darjeeling, at the base of the Himalayan Mountains, where she would continue her training towards her religious vows. Soon after, on January 6, 1929 she arrived in Calcutta, the capital of Bengal, India to teach at a school for girls. While in Calcutta, she was moved by the presence of the sick and dying on the city's streets. On September 10, 1946, on the long train ride to Darjeeling where she was to go on a retreat and to recover from suspected tuberculosis, something happened. Mother Teresa recalls:

"I realized that I had the call to take care of the sick and the dying, the hungry, the naked, the homeless - to be God's Love in action to the poorest of the poor. That was the beginning of the Missionaries of Charity." - (This is absolute Sharanagati that we have so exhaustively discussed. - Nagaraj, again, we need not imitate Mother Theresa, but we just need not resist the throb of life within ourselves, what is important is to be connected with what we call "Life")

She didn't hesitate, she didn't question (Sharanagati). She asked permission to leave the Loreto congregation and to establish a new order of sisters. She received that permission from Pope Pius XII. In 1952 Mother Teresa and her Missionaries of Charity began the work for which they have been noted ever since. Her order received permission from Calcutta officials to use a portion of the abandoned temple of Kali, the Hindu goddess of transition and destroyer of demons. Mother Teresa founded here the Kalighat Home for the Dying, which she named Nirmal Hriday (meaning "Pure Heart"). She and her fellow nuns gathered dying people off the streets of Calcutta and brought them to this home to care for them during the days before they died.

Mother Teresa's first orphanage was started in 1953, while in 1957 she and her Missionaries of Charity began working with lepers. In the years following, her homes (she called them "tabernacles") have been established in hundreds of locations in the world.

Following a prolonged illness, Mother Teresa passed away on September 5, 1997.


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 29, 2012, 04:09:23 PM »
how do you know it will not work if we want to realise the self only and does not bother about others?
Can you tell me difference between mother-theresa and ramana maharshi?

Dear Prashant garu,

It will certainly not work, i am able to express with absolute convition because, the Self and the 'Other' which you intend to not bother are not different. Not bothering about others is actually not bothering the Self. When we are evidently seeing so much difference as to not bothering all other except Self, where can you find such a Self that excludes 'others'? Such a Self never exists anywhere. This is my discernment.

As regards to Mother Theresa and Ramana Maharhi, the only difference i can see, is that one is mother and the other is father, or i can say, one is Sri Ramakrishnar, one is Shirdi Sai Baba, one is Maha Periyava, one is Sri chandrashekhara Bharati of Sringeri, they call one as Christian one has Hindu, one as Kabir, one as Jnandev. They are the same Supreme Self in human form.


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General Discussion / Ideas endless
« on: September 29, 2012, 12:54:02 PM »
The guru's word is one,
ideas about it endless.
Sages and pandits exhaust themselves,
the Vedas can't touch its limit.

(Kabir, Ramaini)


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General Discussion / Neither Self nor Non-Self
« on: September 29, 2012, 10:32:22 AM »
आत्मेत्यपि प्रज्ञपितमनात्मेत्यपि देशितं ।
बुद्धैर्नात्मा न चानात्मा कश्चिदित्यपि देशितं ॥


Atmetyapi prajnapitamanatmetyapi deahitau
buddhairnatma na canatma kashcidityapi deahitau

The Buddha's have make known the conception of self and taught the
doctrine of no-self. At the same time, they have not spoken of something
as the self or as the non-self.

(Nagarjuna)


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 28, 2012, 09:22:24 PM »
That cannot be spirituality, which makes us say, there is only suffering in the world so i want to realise my Self.

it will not work. We got to live our life and we got to live it well. Live like an awakened man.

WHAT IS AJANANA, IGNORANCE? IT IS FEAR THAT KEEPS US AWAY FROM SELF REAlISATION.

It is the fear of Samsara, fear of Death, fear of suffering, and so on, one self can add more things. We got to face the fear in order to realise the Self.

Samsara is simply fear. It is fear that moves the samsara, it is fear that is the reason for sufferings. and Love or compassion is the Self that sustains the world, the universe. Therefore, Love, or compassion or the Throb, is strength, Love of Compassion is Self.


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 28, 2012, 09:11:34 PM »
Sri Bhagavan's Maha Vakyas are many:
See this one in His answer to Q 14  of Sivapraksam Pillai:
...All that one gives to others, one gives to one self.  If this truth is understood, who will not give to others?

Dear Sir,

how beautiful, and how better can one express this whole thing about giving? yes absolutely, that one gives to others, one gives to one self.

We have to be alive, we have to feel, be more open to the sufferings in the world, that yearning has to spring from with as a prayer, from the source, where everything originates.

Bhagavan's whole life is all about giving, infact, he has give more than Self Enquiry, SOLACE, he cried with those who shared their agony, he fed those hungry, he allowed a yearning dog to lick all his body, and did not even care to wash himself, he wiped a puppys mouth which ate extreta...

Its the throb, the feeling of being alive, of being able to feel - this is more important... this is the Self Throb.


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 28, 2012, 09:07:31 PM »
no complications Sanjay garu,

(1) i feel we should not intellectualise these gestures, ie. they are temporary and that it is good to avoid, such lines are against the will of Self
(2) The thing is not to keep on repeating it mechanically, it is more so, to be connected with the spirit of the univere, the power that sustains, everything, or we may say, it is to be connected with the Self. when this connection is like an unbroken flow of oil or a stream of water, it will be spontaneous, you will not worry, that i have to repeat it.
(3) When you are incapable, it will enhance your feelings, the feelings of being unable to help is great boon, that Taapam, of being unable to do is, is Pumsaam, great purifier. That Thrb, that life is more essential, whether your are being made to do it or not is not in our hands.
(4) we should not begin with an idea that i will go and help others, it is done in the spirit of now, and not hold on to the past of future. What is to be done by you will be done irrespective of our wish. As I said, it is more to be connected with the Throb. It is not the Act that is important. If you are unhappy as you say, if you look deeply, it is actually not unhappiness, but an intense yearning or a prayer to God, 'O God, why is there so much suffering all over' we are becoming more aware of universal consciousness, and are not just limited to only Self, family and friends.

We have to feel, that Bhavam is important. my humble musings.

Of-course, i am not saying anybody to stop any spiritual practices. But just that am saying, we ought not be bogged by only just self spiritual quest alone.

...my humble thoughts.


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General Discussion / Joy of Giving
« on: September 28, 2012, 08:06:52 PM »
Friends,

I can guarantee you, that you would derive more bliss or happiness, from such small gestures (video) than that of some great, wonderful  discovery about Self... or having attained some great clarity about Self. Some of you may have seen it.

The feelings that trigger when you see this video is more real than the Self that we are in quest of. This is the Throb of Self. This is Everything. If we look at great Sages such as Bhagavan, Ramakrishar, it is these gestures that they so much tried to communicate. Sri Ramakrishnar has often commented against the dry knowledge. It is this ability to feel, that makes living species special. Celebrate life. Celebrate the Throb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kPkhJYXhZ8&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdYaJfU4IIQ&feature=player_detailpage


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General Discussion / Self is not the Goal
« on: September 28, 2012, 06:49:34 PM »
Dear Aryavarta आर्यावर्त (abode of the noble or excellent ones)

:) i am having to use the above term in the spirit of my musings below. I am just trying to bring a slight paradigm shift, in all our sincere efforts and prayers -

That which is Dharmic, will never bind one, but that which is Adharmic, will ever bind one. So, the Masters say, practice Dharma. Dharma itself is Self, Adharma is Non Self. If the desires are righteous how can it bind one, if the actions are righteous, how can it bind one. Then, the so called, mind, can never haunt such a one. Mana Eva Manushyanam Kaaranam Bandha Mokshah, Mind alone is the cause of bondage and liberation.

I am of the humble opinion, that we should strive to lead a Dharmic life, that which is good and right, whose conscience is ever clear, more than strive to attain the Liberation, Enlightenment, and so on, which actually i am seeing that it is actually being counter productive.

Prior to Buddha, the Vedic and the Upanishadic Seers have never propagated the Realisation of Self as a Goal at all. No where in the Vedas, can one really find any instruction anywhere, to go about and realise the Self, Atma. It is svatah-siddha or self-evident, already evident.

What eventually became to be known as Realisation of Self, or Jivanmukti is simply perfection in virtuous living, which is the annihilation of the following:

1. kama — lust
2. krodha — anger
3. lobh — greed
4. moha — delusory emotional attachment
5. mada or ahankara — pride, hubris
6. matsarya — envy, jealousy

Which put together is termed as the EGO -    अहंकार Ahamkaar

Therefore, in the name of quest for Self or the Lord, all that one strives to achieve is verily the annihilation of the above 6 doshas or faults. But, what is the use in the quest, if this itself is forgotten? The So called terms such as Self, Jivanmukti etc... are just terms used to refer the ones who have conquered the above Doshas faults. Devotees may refer the famous Vishwamitra and Vaishta Muni debates. Vasishta declared Vishwamitra as Brahma Rishi only when he could conquer all of the above Doshas.

The vedas extensively talk about, Aaryans आर्यन्, meaning the Noble one.

Therefore, it is highly possible that instead of striving to lead a truly Dharmic life, which the Vedic seers refer as AryAvarta आर्यावर्त sacred land of the Aryans. In the name of Self Realisation and so on, we are loosing some important wisdom in the middle and are getting caught in some endless cycle of samsara. And the interpretations of the words of Sages have contributed much to the spiritual buzz about enlightenment and so on.

Some musings.. for contemplation. Instead of the desire and a prayer to realise the Self, (yes, i am aware Bhagavan has said only desire to have is the desire of Self, but we must strive to discern the true essence, and not blindly go about it) one must strive to lead a truly Dharmic life, and when one is truly able to live, such a one is said to have realised the Self and so on. Such a one alone is truly an Aryan आर्यन्

So, when we are caught with any of the 6 doshas, we should be sharp enough to first know ourselves, that we are bordering in committing an Adharmic act, one should therefore, exercise various as advised by the Sages to primarily overcome the Doshas. Those instructions of the Karma Kanda of Vedas and the methods prescribed by the Later Sages, also fall under the Karma Kanda, Even the Self Enquiry, Bhakti, etc... what ever we read, all fall under Karma Kanda of the Vedas. It is natural desire for every one to know their source, where they are from, who they are, etc.. hence the Karma Kanda prescribes various procedures, through which one may have a darshan of the source, which we call God, Atma, Self and so on. But the Vedanta is the End of Knowledge. Enjoy, and desire to see the Self, Atma, God, in any form you may want to till your hearts fill, which forms the part of Karma Kanda, later when one is contented, on just is. He no longer desires to see or have a Darshan of Self Atma, as he is now ripened, Karma Kanda automatically drops over, he is now in the Vedanta, end of Knowledge. He realises the source of everything as the Self. Like Bhagavan sings, Atma SamSthithihi, Swaatma Darshanm. Being is having its Darshan. He no longer goes in search of his source, he no longer longs to have a darshan of his source, as He is himself the source. He reposes. Vedanta.

such an Aryan is a Jivan mukta.


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 28, 2012, 04:49:11 PM »
मानसं तु किं मार्गणे कृते ।
नैव मानसं मार्ग आर्जवात् ॥ 17


mänasaà tu kià märgaëe kåte
naiva mänasaà märge ärjavät

if one persists in asking, “What is this mind
of mine?” it will be found that there is really no
such thing as ‘mind’. This is the Direct Path.

वृत्तयस्त्वहं वृत्तिमाश्रिताः ।
वृत्तयो मनो विद्ध्यहं मनः ॥ 18


våttayastvahaà våtti-maçritaù
våttayo mano viddhayahaà manaù

What one has thought of as his mind is merely a
bundle of thoughts. All these thoughts depend
upon the one thought of “I”, the ego. Therefore,
the so-called mind is the “I” thought.

अहमयं कुतो भवति चिन्वतः ।
अयि पतत्यहं निजविचारणम् ॥ 19


ahamayaà kuto bhavati cinvataù
ayi patatyahaà nijavicäraëam

If one asks himself, “Where does this I come
from?” it will vanish. This is Self-enquiry, or
atma-vichara.

(Upadesa Saaram)


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General Discussion / Realisation is not Dry
« on: September 27, 2012, 08:54:35 PM »
Realisation, looking at Self, Being Self, and all the wonderful terms that are so often used is not a dry abidance. That is full of life force, that is tremendously connected with everything as One.

Gregory of Nyssa, a 4th century christian saint expressed it very beautifully:

When I see every hill top, every valley, every plain covered with fresh sprung grass, and then the various array of the trees, and at my feet the lilies, doubly furnished by nature, both with pleasant and with beauty of colour; where in the distance I behold the sea, to which the wondering cloud leads the way, my mind is siezed by a melancholy which is not without happiness; and and when in autumn the fruits disappear, the leaves fall and the boughs are left bare, we are absorbed in the thought of the eternal and continously recurring change in the accord of the marvellous forces of nature. Whoever apprehends this with this intelligent eyes of the soul, feels the littleness of man compared with the greatness of the universe.

What do we imagine, Sri Bhagavan was looking at Arunachala in stillness, is not something that is empty, dry, samadhi, it is an awe, in the Ashtakam he sings with great spirit:

Look, there it stands as if insentient. Mysterious is the way
it works, beyond all human understanding. From my
unthinking childhood, the immensity of Arunachala had
shone in my awareness....


We usually get so bogged with our own small spiritual world, while the universe is bubbling with life force, magnitude personified in various forms. If our spirituality doesn't give rise to this awareness of the greatness of universe, if it doesn't connect us with the massiveness of the universe, in its myriad forms, then we are on a wrong path.


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General Discussion / What is Life?
« on: September 27, 2012, 08:30:19 PM »
Spirituality is also a web of miseries, if we do not really discern the real essence of it.



To suffer woes which Hope thinks infinite;
To forgive wrongs darker than death or night;
To defy Power, which seems omnipotent;
To love, and bear; to hope till Hope creates
From its own wreck the thing it contemplates;
Neither to change, nor falter, nor repent;
This, like thy glory, Titan, is to be
Good, great and joyous, beautiful and free;
This is alone Life, Joy, Empire, and Victory


(Shelley, Prometheus Unbound)




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