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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 02, 2016, 12:24:30 AM »
भक्तिमें बालक बनो..
कर्म में युवा बनो..
ज्ञान में वृद्ध बनो।

A child in Bhakti
A youth in Karma and
An old person in Jnana

~ from a Hindi Satsang.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: September 01, 2016, 09:27:57 PM »
There is no reason whatsoever to despair about one?s spiritual progress. If one tries strong enough, one will certainly make much progress. After all, Prarabdha has been compared by Brahma to seed. Not only the seed determines what one gets out of the field but also by the effort that one makes to till the land. By proper manuring and the like the situation can be very much improved. It is meaningless if a man just sits quiet and expects fate to lead him on in the spiritual path.

? Jagadguru Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha Mahaswamigal

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 01, 2016, 01:48:51 PM »
In other words nama rupa is the mixture of the following -

shabda, sparsha, rupa, rasa, gandha - sound, touch, form, taste and odor. Corredpondingly these 5 principles correspond with the 5 elements - sky, air, fire, water, earth.

Our bodies and world is just a mixture of these 5 principles.

These 5 tatvas form the basic ingredients for which we call something to have nama or rupa.


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: September 01, 2016, 01:33:39 PM »
Dear Orih,

As per Vedanta, what ever is perceived by the 5 senses can be said to have nama-rupa i.e. name and form.

The very term for 'world' in sanskrit is 'prapancha' that which is seen/perceived by the 5 i.e. 5 senses


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Committing mistakes
« on: August 31, 2016, 10:13:38 PM »
I very much appreciate your spirit Krishnan -

to let go of the 'good' done through me as being actions of the Higher power, but somehow the inadvertent 'mistakes' committed by me, I find hard to assign to the higher power as the doer.

In summary, I find it orders of magnitude easier to quietly let go of the doership of the 'positive' actions committed by me, but am unable to shake off the notion of my doership considering the 'negative' actions!

This is cent-percent in line with the roots of our Sanathana Dharma.

You know what is to be done, even though you have let out your query in open.


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Committing mistakes
« on: August 31, 2016, 09:51:21 PM »
some more random thoughts...

The absolute Self or God is Absolute Perfection, so long as some imperfection remains, it only shows that there is still a Dehatma buddhi, some body identification, one has to enquire and go the root and remove the root of ignorance tree that is, not merely the branches alone. Because, if the Truth has been realised, then, there can be no mistakes at all. There is only Truth alone!

How can some thing happen inadvertently by us? Only when we are un-alert, then alone something good or bad can happen! When something done by us inadvertently ends up in some good, we feel happy, but at the same time, when something bad happens then we feel sorry, isn't it? why is it so like this? If we hold that God alone is the real doer then it should really not worry us much? But it is not so, no matter what consolation we may get from any scriptures or no matter how much we may twist the various quotes of various masters and Sages to suit our opposite reasoning, ultimately we have to face our own conscience within, we are answerable to our own conscience in the last! If it passes through this, then you will know the difference between independent will and God will.

Krtishnan, these days, i have seen many serious spiritual seekers take many quotes conviniently from manay scriptures, such as Yoga Vasishtam and Ashtavakra Gita and the likes and use certain shlokas that seem to convey that once self is realised you are free and no matter what you do you remain untainted! We are seeing real examples in popular so called Gurus today caught up in various scams and what not!

Always look upto the Rishi Margam, How have they lived, always have a benchmark of your Guru, who ever it is, what would he have done in your case, in your example that you have quoted. Ponder, pray ask your guru to show light.


One day a disciple said to Bhagavan, "When you stepped on a hornet's nest, mistaking it for a bush and the hornets attacked your leg and stung it badly, why did you feel remorse for what had happened only accidentally, as if you had done it intentionally?"

Bhagavan replied:

When I was stung by hornets in revenge Upon the leg until it was inflamed, Although `twas but by chance I stepped upon
Their nest, constructed in a leafy bush; What kind of mind is his if he does not At least repent for doing such a wrong ?

The story relating to the above is as follows:
One day when Bhagavan was climbing about the Hill as was his wont in the early days of his sojourn in Tiruvannamalai, his leg struck against a hornet's nest and disturbed the hornets. They attacked him in a body and stung his leg and thigh very badly so that it became terribly swollen and painful. Bhagavan expressed great sorrow for what he had done unwittingly. He would not move from the place till they had finished the punishment and flown away.

One day when Ramana inadvertently bumped against a sparrow?s nest, an egg fell out and cracked. He was dismayed and cried out to his attendant Madhava, ?Look, look what I have done today! Oh,the poor mother will be so sorrow-stricken, perhaps angry with me also, at my causing the destruction of her expected little one! Can the cracked eggshell be pieced together again? Let us try!?

So saying he took a piece of wet cloth, wrapped it around the broken egg and laid it back into its nest. Each third hour he took it out again, removed the cloth, took it in his hand and glanced at it for a few minutes. Seven days later, after taking the egg from its nest, he announced with the astonishment of a schoolboy, ?Look what a wonder! The crack has closed.? Some days later he found the egg hatched out, the little bird had come out. With a face beaming with joy he took the nestling into his hand, stroked and caressed it and handed it to the others, that they could also admire it.

Sage-Hood is not easy, it requires our highest alertness and attention! There are many such stories, you will find in Bhagavan's life itself, also Sri Ramakrishna's life, Swami Rama Tirtha as well. If you have any Dharam Samshayam, look for answers from the source of your Guru. You will definitely find them.


The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Committing mistakes
« on: August 31, 2016, 09:36:41 PM »
Dear Krishnan,

The answer to your query is quite interwoven in your own expressions as well! You have quite very frankly expressed yourself!

There is a right and upright reasoning within yourself rebelling within you over the counterpart that is trying to wash off hands by using the tatva that it is the almighty Lord who is the real doer, and even the mistakes that are being committed by me is not really mine!

This reminds me of Duryodhana -

janami dharmam na cha me pravrutthih janamyadharmam na cha me nivrutthih |
kenaapi devena hrudhisthithena yatha niyuktosmi thatha karomi ||

"I know what is dharma (=righteousness), yet I cannot get myself to follow it! I know what is adharma, yet I cannot retire from it! O Lord of the senses! You dwelt in my heart and I will do as you impel me to do."

Your rebel reflection within you is somewhat trying to reason its self like this. However your good higher self is not giving up the fight! Thanks to your Poorva Punya Sukruta, it is sending out flowers of guilt, it is throwing up correct lights of reflections onto you, so is your counterpart as well sending you reflections for its battle!

Krishna says -

उद्धरेदात्मनात्मानं नात्मानमवसादयेत् ।
आत्मैव ह्यात्मनो बन्धुरात्मैव रिपुरात्मनः ॥

uddharedātmanātmānaṃ nātmānamavasādayet,
ātmaiva hyātmano bandhurātmaiva ripurātmanaḥ.

By the self thou shouldst deliver the self, thou shouldst not depress and cast down the self (whether by self-indulgence or suppression); for the self is the friend of the self and the self is the enemy.

Finally, the effort here is to realise your true nature, the real effort is to realise the Truth that is. Once the Truth is realised, everything will fall in place. There when such a realised being even makes a wrong, or mistake, it will turn out to be a great blessing - our great Rishi Durvasa is beautiful example, Sage Narada is yet another beautiful example.

Strive to realise God or Truth, Atmaartham Prithiviim Tyajet - for the sake of Atma sacrifice whole world says a Subhashita.

Finally, Lord Krishna in Gita says in the last chapter in the last few verses as follows -

ति ते ज्ञानमाख्यातं गुह्याद्गुह्यतरं मया ।
विमृश्यैतदशेषेण यथेच्छसि तथा कुरु ॥

iti te j?ānamākhyātaṃ guhyādguhyataraṃ mayā,
vimṛśyaitadaśeṣeṇa yathecchasi tathā kuru.

So have I expounded to thee a knowledge more secret than that which is hidden: having reflected on it fully, do as thou wouldst.

So, no the ones rests on yourself, reflect well, get your mind pure - to be able to discriminate well, reason well, and do what is best for your self. Doing best here should mean doing Hitham to yourself and not necessarily what is good for you. Wisdom is in knowing the differfence!

I have expressed my thoughts in general, but again it would vary according to your specific question based on your real experience!

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: August 30, 2016, 07:08:48 AM »
Yoga of Self-Surrender

Repeat this formula very often and with intense faith: "The Lord is my strength, my support and my stay." Thus you will derive strength, power and peace.

God knows what is best for you and He does what is best for you. His ways are mysterious - know His ways and become wise.

Slay egoism and desire, they are the enemies, the obstacles of self-surrender. You may accuse God and say: "He is not just; He is cruel.  Vicious persons are thriving I am virtuous and yet I suffer. There is no God." Later on you will realise that He has done the best thing for you.

Do not pray to the Lord for the removal of sufferings. Pray to Him to grant you power of endurance and patience to bear all calamities.

A devotee remains unaffected by adversities, trials and tribulations. He knows and feels that they are all karmic purgations and are the real messengers of God. He welcomes them calmly.

A devotee alone gets troubles and adversities; because this is his last birth, many karmas have to be worked out and he must be united with the Lord in this very birth.

God gives immense strength and patience to His devotee to bear troubles and calamities. The devotee is ever calm and cheerful - he is not affected by them as his mind ever dwells in the contemplation of the Lord. He is not body-conscious.
Murmur not. Grumble not. Even a leaf cannot fall without the will of God. What is destined to take place as willed by God, takes place. Face the difficulties, the battle of life with a smile. Become a brave soldier. Difficulties come to intensify your faith, to strengthen your will and power of endurance and to turn your mind more and more towards God.

Pain is the great eye-opener. It is your silent teacher. It will make you remember God. Kunti prayed: "O Lord Krishna, give me pain always so that I may ever remember you." The more troubles and adversities you get, the stronger and firmer will be your faith in God. They will mould you into a divine being. Welcome them.

Seek God's grace through self-surrender and He will show you the way. Transient are all mundane things! Evanescent are all earthly forms! Seek the immortal and attain bliss eternal.


உன்னை நீ அறிந்தாயாகில்
 உனக்கொரு கெடும் இல்லை

Should you know yourself
no harm will befall you. 

Kaivalya Navaneetam

quintessence of Bhagawan's teaching!

General Discussion / Re: Vibhuti - Greatness of Sacred
« on: August 23, 2016, 08:50:16 AM »
अपस्मारकुष्टक्षयार्शः प्रमेह_
ज्वरोन्मादगुल्मादिरोगा महान्तः ।
पिशाचाश्च सर्वे भवत्पत्रभूतिं
विलोक्य क्षणात्तारकारे द्रवन्ते ॥२५॥


25.1: (Salutations to Sri Subramanya) Apasmara (Epilepsy), Kussttha (Leprosy), Kssaya (Consumption), Arsha (Piles), Prameha (Urinary diseases like Diabetes), ...
25.2: ... Jwara (Fever), Unmada (Madness, Insanity), Gulma (Enlargement of Spleen or other glands in the abdomen) and other formidable Diseases, ...
25.3: ... as also all types of Pisachas (Evil Spirits), ... (when) in Your Bibhuti (Sacred Ash) contained in a Leaf, ...
25.4: ... sees You, Who is the Enemy of the formidable Taraka (i.e demon Tarakasura), they hasten to Run away Immediately.

(Subrahmanya Bhujangam - Adi Shankaracharya)
(For full stotra CLICK HERE)

General Discussion / Re: Vibhuti - Greatness of Sacred
« on: August 23, 2016, 08:27:03 AM »

Letter 143


14th September, 1947

Last month, Niranjananandaswami sent a bull, born and bred in the Ashram to the Meenakshi Temple, Madurai, as a present. People there named it Basava, decorated it nicely and took a photo of it along with Sri Sambasiva Iyer who had accompanied it. Sambasiva Iyer returned with a copy of the photo besides an old fashioned silk-fringed shawl, some vibhuti, kumkum and prasad 1 given to him by the temple authorities.

Due to the great crowd of visitors since August 15th, Bhagavan has been spending the days out in the Jubilee Hall.

Sambasiva Iyer came into Bhagavan?s presence with the shawl, vibhuti, etc., on a large plate. The brahmins who had accompanied him recited a mantra while all of us prostrated before Bhagavan, then rose. Looking at me, Bhagavan said, ?Our bull has been sent to the Meenakshi Temple, did you know?? ?Yes, I knew,? I said. ?On the day it was going, I saw it decorated with turmeric, 2 kumkum, etc. and came to know of the purpose when I asked the cattle-keeper.? Holding the plate reverentially and smearing the vibhuti and kumkum on his forehead, Bhagavan said, ?See, this is Meenakshi?s gift.? And his voice quivered as he said it.

Sambasiva Iyer spread the shawl over Bhagavan?s feet, and when Bhagavan, deeply moved, removed it with evident feeling of reverence, the attendants took it and spread it over the back of the sofa. Adjusting the shawl properly with his hands, Bhagavan, looking towards us, said, ?Mother 1 Vibhuti: sacred ash. Kumkum: vermilion powder. Prasad: any flower or food consecrated by being offered to the Deity.

2 Turmeric: a bright yellow powder of the turmeric root.

Meenakshi has sent this. It is Mother?s gift.? And, choked with emotion, he was unable to say more and became silent.

His eyes were full of tears of joy and his body became motionless. Seeing this, it seemed to me that Nature herself had become silent. When, as a boy, Bhagavan was in Tiruchuli and someone had been angry with him, he had gone to the temple and wept, sitting behind the image of Sahayamba.

He alone knows how the Mother consoled him and what hopes she gave him.

Three years ago, the Ashram doctor said that hand- pounded rice would be good for Bhagavan?s health.

Thereupon the Ashramites approached Bhagavan with a request to take such rice, which would be specially cooked for him. When Bhagavan asked them whether the same rice would be served to all, they said that it would not be possible, as the supply of such rice was limited. Bhagavan therefore would not agree to having it however much they tried to persuade him. At last they said that they would use the hand- pounded rice for the daily offerings to the deity in the temple, for which rice is usually cooked separately and they requested Bhagavan to partake of that rice. ?If that is so, it is all right.

I will take it because it is Mother?s prasadam,? said Bhagavan.

And from that day onwards, they have been cooking hand- pounded rice separately and, after offering it to the goddess in the temple, have been serving it to Bhagavan, giving what was left over to all others in his company.

Last summer, Ramaswami Iyer?s son got married and for the occasion there was a feast here. That day, Iyer noticed that there was white rice on the leaves of all, whereas the rice on Bhagavan?s leaf was reddish, and he enquired the reason. Bhagavan smiling, said, ?This is Mother?s prasadam.

What is wrong with it? It is cooked specially as an offering to Mother.? He then related the above incident. He once again said, ?This is Mother?s gift; I have accepted it only because of that.? Is this not a great lesson to those who say that they have given up visiting temples and such things?

(Letters from Sri Ramanasramam)

General Discussion / Re: Vibhuti - Greatness of Sacred
« on: August 23, 2016, 08:20:19 AM »
திருஞானசம்பந்தர் அருளிய திருநீற்றுப் பதிகம்

மந்திரமாவது நீறு வானவர்மேலது நீறு
சுந்தரமாவது நீறு துதிக்கப்படுவது நீறு
தந்திரமாவது நீறு சமயத்தி லுள்ளது நீறு
செந்துவர் வாயுமை பங்கன் திருஆல வாயான் திருநீறே.

வேதத்திலுள்ளது நீறு வெந்துயர் தீர்ப்பது நீறு
போதந்தருவது நீறு புன்மை தவிர்ப்பது நீறு
ஓதத் தகுவது நீறு உண்மையிலுள்ளது நீறு
சீதப் புனல்வயல் சூழ்ந்த திருஆல வாயான் திருநீறே.

முத்திதருவது நீறு முனிவரணிவது நீறு
சத்தியமாவது நீறு தக்கோர்புகழ்வது நீறு
பத்திதருவது நீறு பரவ இனியது நீறு
சித்திதருவது நீறு திருஆல வாயான் திருநீறே.

காண இனியது நீறு கவினைத் தருவது நீறு
பேணி அணிபவர்க் கெல்லாம் பெருமை கொடுப்பது நீறு
மாணந்தகைவது நீறு மதியைத் தருவது நீறு
சேணந்தருவது நீறு திருஆல வாயான் திருநீறே.

பூச இனியது நீறு புண்ணிய மாவது நீறு
பேச இனியது நீறு பெருந்தவத்தோர்களுக்
கெல்லாம் ஆசைகெடுப்பது நீறு வந்தம தாவது நீறு
தேசம் புகழ்வது நீறு திருஆல வாயான் திருநீறே.

அருத்தமதாவது நீறு அவலம் அறுப்பது நீறு
வருத்தந் தணிப்பது நீறு வானம் அளிப்பது நீறு
பொருத்தமதாவது நீறு புண்ணியர்பூசும் வெண்ணீறு
திருத்தகு மாளிகைசூழ்ந்த திருஆல வாயான் திருநீறே.

எயிலதுவட்டது நீறு விருமைக்கும் உள்ளது நீறு
பயிலப்படுவது நீறு பாக்கியமாவது நீறு
துயிலைத் தடுப்பது நீறு சுத்தமதாவது நீறு
அயிலைப் பொலிதரு சூலத் தாலவாயான் திருநீறே.

இராவணன்மேலது நீறு எண்ணத்தகுவது நீறு
பராவணமாவது நீறு பாவமறுப்பது நீறு
தராவணமாவது நீறு தத்துவமாவது நீறு
அரா வணங்குந் திரு மேனி ஆலவாயான் திருநீறே.

மாலொடயனறி யாதவண்ணமு முள்ளது நீறு
மேலுறை தேவர்கள் தங்கள் மெய்யது வெண்பொடி நீறு
ஏல உடம்பிடர் தீர்க்கும் இன்பந்தருவது நீறு
ஆலமதுண்ட மிடற்றெம்மால வாயான் திருநீறே.

குண்டிகைக் கையர்களோடு சாக்கியர் கூட்டமுங்கூடக்
கண்டிகைப் பிப்பது நீறு கருத இனியது நீறு
எண்டிசைப்பட்ட பொருளார் ஏத்துந் தகையது நீறு
அண்டத்தவர் பணிந்தேத்தும் ஆலவாயான் திருநீறே.

ஆற்றல் அடல்விடை யேறும் ஆலவாயான்
போற்றிப் புகலி நிலாவும் பூசுரன் ஞான்சம்மந்தன்
தேற்றித் தென்ன்னுடலுற்ற தீப்பிணி யாயினதீரச்
சாற்றிய பாடல்கள் பத்தும் வல்லவர் நல்லவர் தாமே.

General Discussion / Re: Vibhuti - Greatness of Sacred
« on: August 23, 2016, 08:14:37 AM »

The places to apply the holy ash on the body

vibhUti can be worn either in 32 places or 16 places or 8 places or five places.

32 Places

Two ears
Two eyes
Two shoulders
Two elbows
Two wrists
Two ribs
Two sides of groin
Two UrUs
Two thighs
Two knees
Two ankles
Two feet
 Total 32 Places
16 Places
2 Shoulders
Total 5 places
2 ears
2 Shoulders
2 Elbows
2 Wrists
2 Ribs
Total 16 places
8 Places
2 ears
2 Shoulders
Total 8 places
5 Places


General Discussion / Vibhuti - Greatness of Sacred
« on: August 23, 2016, 08:13:04 AM »
Bhagavan always sported the sacred daily on his forehead. I felt a need to open a thread on Vibhuti, to extol the greatness of Sacred Ash. We Indians have always considered it inauspicious to leave the forehead empty. These days, unfortunately due to times, most even hesitate to sport Vibhuti even in the size of small bindi as being socially unacceptable or being judged! There are so many benefits by sporting the sacred ash which we are not aware of. It wards of evil, negative energies around you. You will not attract unnecessary attentions. Most of all, you will be worshipful, as the Sacred ash is Lord Shiva Himself, one who sports it traditionally - when we even look at them, we feel a sense of spiritual fervor, people automatically become respectful towards the ones who sport Vibhuti.

There are added benefits, Sporting Vibhuti encourages you to engage more in the activities of God. Prayers and Anushtanam are naturally motivated. It is a motivational factor. It is also a wonderful catalyst!

With the evolution of too much Vedanta, i.e. the (essence alone) in our times, we have given up the time tested habits followed by our ancestors, in sustaining the Vedanta with well nourished Daily Anushtanams.

In the same lines, even wearing a Japa Mala, such as Tulasi Mala, Rudraksha Mala, Spatika Mala, all help the aspirant upwards! Adorning them, one actively keeps off the negatively influencing energies.

Most of all, they are constantly reminding you to remember God, His Gunas, His Tatva.

This attempt is to encourage this message among all Astikas.

Holy Ash

The holy Ash is the substance the devotees wear on their bodies with adoration and respect. This along with the rudrAxa beads (1) shows up the devotees of the Simple but Supreme Lord shiva. The holy Ash has lots of spiritual sense. There are lots of hymns telling the glory of the holy Ash. ((2) - for example). Ash - the substance that is arrived when things are completely burnt off. In natural terms it is a final state. The state where it has nothing left to burn off ! This indicates the transience of the beings and the Permanence of the Supreme that smears in this ash. This also indicates the matured state of bliss the devotees would be heading towards which stands beyond perturbance - transformation (nothing to burn off).

The purANic events associated with the holy Ash show its significance. When the three daemons of impurities (tripura) were burnt down by the mere smile of the God, the ash that remained got settled on the Lord, Who danced there. Thus the tripurAri was smeared in the Ash that came out of burning out of the three impurities. When the cupid - the deva of lust, tried to fire his arrows on the yogic Lord, he was burnt by the Lord into a heap of ash. The unruffled Lord appeared decorated with that ash. At the times when everything reduces unto It, the Everexistant Lord wears that ash.

The devotees of the Lord, Who gives His form to the ardent worshipper, wear the same way the holy Ash on their body. This holy Ash is prepared in the ritual fire in a specified way (3) along with the chanting of the Holy Five Letters (4) and other vedic hymns. Thus obtained Holy Ash is worn on various specified places of the body including the forehead chanting the Holy Five Letters. (There are two broad categories of wearing the Holy Ash. One is uddUlanam that is sprinkling the Holy Ash on the body and the other is tripuNDram that is in three distinct bands)


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