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General topics / Re: Discussion on the Quotes of Shankaracharya's
« on: October 08, 2012, 12:05:18 PM »
Dear Sri Tushnim,

All your point are valid, but, i fail to get the context to which this discussion is necessary. It is like, we are just picking some subject from air to just for a sake of discussion, however, if you are keen, kindly open a thread on this topic, and the moment some post intrigues me, i would naturally get pulled to some point of disussion, then.

The reason, Sri Tushmin, there are millions of scriptures, if we want to, we can pick any one of those books for discussion, but, my own requirement is much different from simply discussing Vivekachoodamani or Manisha Panchakam or simply discuss some work, just because it is Adi Shankaracharya's.

Or, let me present you a topic, see if it interests you, we could discuss about it. In such a context, perhaps, we can bring in Vivekachoodamani or other works in our discussion.

Is Jnana absolutely free of any Karma? As the scriptures reveal? Can Jnana exist without Karma. Well, I am clearly aware, what the Sages have told, and what the scriptures have conveyed, but, i want to discuss how realistic are they to our own context. This is something, that I am striving to grasp. Why are we always doing something to keep ourselves occupied. Why can't we Just Be. This is a subject, that i would be interested to discuss.

To begin with, the arguement that, we are naturally 'Just Being' doesn't inspire my reasoning. The very fact that, we are all here discussing raises a question, how Jnana is free of karma.

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: October 08, 2012, 04:52:39 AM »

Sleep has not visited me the whole night,
Will the dawn ever come?
O my companion,
Once I awoke with a start from a dream.
Now the remembrance from that vision
Never fades.
My life is ebbing as I choke and sigh,
When will the Lord of the Afflicted come
I have lost my senses and gone mad,
But the Lord knows my secret.
He who deals out life and death
nows the secret of Mira’s pain.

- Mirabai

Dear Sri Jewel,

Thank you for this post. I don't know what made you post this, thank you. It is like it has been posted just for me. This is the first post or prayer, that i read today.

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: October 07, 2012, 05:55:38 PM »
Sri Ravi,

Thank you so much. This is most appropriate post and very reassuring response, it is powerful as well, as it is from Master Himself. Thank you.

Thanks Jewel, to you too, for extending your reassurances!

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: October 07, 2012, 05:16:26 PM »
O Jewel,

I hope, you did not feel, i am singling you out :) , as you know, we were involved in a heated conversation, the other day, that subsided very well :) , I thought, to mutual love and harmony. I was really happy with the way it ended. Generally, i was sharing, it is with every response, that i make to anybody.

Oh, yes, i too, read your Poetry quotes, daily, they are really wonderful and very profound, i feel, the Language of love transcends all protocols.

warm regards and prayers,

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: October 07, 2012, 04:29:12 PM »

I must admit, over last couple of days or so, has been really brought me to deep contemplation. I really am very scared (or hesitation, would be a better word to use) to respond, what others will think, they will be hurt, and that I should not hurt them, and I should not respond, but in one way, it is good, i am thinking more than usual before i respond back, considering the sensitivities even more, but on the other hand, there is a feeling of self contraction, as a result of a vulnerable, volatile environment.

I am striving to strike a balance, but, it is not possible without His grace. May God Bless us.

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: October 07, 2012, 04:19:45 PM »
"There is no coming to consciousness without pain."

(Carl Gustav Jung)

Sri Anil ji,

Just reproducing the context in which Sri Swami Vivekananda said the above quoted line, from "Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda":

...... What do we want in India? If foreigners want these things, we want them twenty times more. Because, in spite of the greatness of the Upanishads, in spite of our boasted ancestry of sages, compared to many other races, I must tell you that we are weak, very weak. First of all is our physical weakness. That physical weakness is the cause of at least one-third of our miseries. We are lazy, we cannot work; we cannot combine, we do not love each other; we are intensely selfish, not three of us can come together without hating each other, without being jealous of each other. That is the state in which we are — hopelessly disorganised mobs, immensely selfish, fighting each other for centuries as to whether a certain mark is to be put on our forehead this way or that way, writing volumes and volumes upon such momentous questions as to whether the look of a man spoils my food or not! This we have been doing for the past few centuries. We cannot expect anything high from a race whose whole brain energy has been occupied in such wonderfully beautiful problems and researches! And are we not ashamed of ourselves? Ay, sometimes we are; but though we think these things frivolous, we cannot give them up. We speak of many things parrot-like, but never do them; speaking and not doing has become a habit with us. What is the cause of that? Physical weakness. This sort of weak brain is not able to do anything; we must strengthen it. First of all, our young men must be strong. Religion will come afterwards. Be strong, my young friends; that is my advice to you. You will be nearer to Heaven through football than through the study of the Gita. These are bold words; but I have to say them, for I love you. I know where the shoe pinches. I have gained a little experience. You will understand the Gita better with your biceps, your muscles, a little stronger. You will understand the mighty genius and the mighty strength of Krishna better with a little of strong blood in you. You will understand the Upanishads better and the glory of the Atman when your body stands firm upon your feet, and you feel yourselves as men. Thus we have to apply these to our needs.....

Wish to express, that i am not making any observation about anybody, but, just letting out my musings and in the same spirit and prayer, i submit myself, as I too, do not know what is good and most appropriate thing to do for others, but I am cent-percent sure now about what I seek from this human birth. “GO WHERE HIS GRACE TAKES YOU, AND SEEK THAT DIVINITY, WHICH SRI BHAGWAN AND SWAMI SRI VIVEKANADA REVEAL, ABIDES VERILY WITHIN."

with prayers,

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: October 07, 2012, 03:31:18 PM »
stray thought -

Unless we truly know what is good for ourselves, we can never know what is good for others.

A Sage, truly is such a perfect being, that really knows what is good for others.

Sri Anil ji,

Off the subject musings.

During the last 100 years or so, before independence, there was a purpose that was pulling everybody in the country, that is the freedom of our country. The youth of those days, were automatically blessed with a primary purpose, to struggle for the independence of our nation. Of-course, the poverty, lack of food, the mortality rates, the struggle, identity crises, cross caste problems, lack of money, all these issues were keeping the young blood occupied in one way or the other. Some got in to the freedom movement, some made living striving to be accepted in the society by english education, some moved towards spirituality, most joined the freedom movement.

Today's time, we are so free, so as to that extant that we are slowly begun to misuse the freedom we have on our hands. We have abundant money, shelter, food, entertainment, family, facility, and what not. In todays time, contrarily, we are troubled by excess freedom. Hence in general, people do not really want a freedom, more than what they already have today, the freedom to live the way we want, with the power of money.

It is not east to over come actions, Karma is very essential and necessary to keep the body and mind in a healthy condition. As Swami Vivekananda observed: "Vivekananda's well-known observation: “You will be nearer to heaven playing football than studying the Bhagavad-Gita.”

Struggling with purpose in todays times, when people, in a very sorry state of mind, not finding any purpose or contentment, when they come across, Sri Ramana Maharshi or Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, are immediately pulled by conception that Enlightenment is the goal, and while the body and mind are not even sanctified enough to pursue this path, people find themselves struggling even more, without a proper worldly life and a proper spiritual life.

Some stray musings...

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: October 07, 2012, 12:29:05 PM »
Sri Ravi,

your post on avvaiyar, and your emphasis on the subtle instructions such as:

"see the emphasis on 'Desire'.If this desire is nurtured it will automatically issue out in action someday or other!She is not saying-அறம் செய் (Perform Dharmic deeds)"

The story as narrated by Sri Nochur, to help substantiate the message of avvaiyar - "உடையது விளம்பேல் Advertise not what you possess"

and your elucidations regarding the difference between the Aiyam and Pitchai, in - ஐயம் இட்டு உண்:Offer(Without being asked-This is what is called Aiyam. Pitchai is that which is given after being asked for)and then Eat.

is immensely useful and thought provoking.

I am sure, if we dig deeper, we will discover much more pearls from Avvaiyar's Aathichudi.

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: October 07, 2012, 09:52:03 AM »
This one thing Sri Nochur says quite often:

guravo bahavah santi sishya-vittapaharakah, durlabhah sad-gurur devi shishya-santapaharakah
"There are many gurus who plunder the wealth of their disciples but those gurus are very rare who actually take away the miseries, distress and sufferings of their disciples by imparting actual knowledge."

We all need a Guru, a physical Guru in some form, at whose feet, our unknown ego can sink into nothingness. Very rare are ones who may not require a Guru in physical form. We must submit, confide to at least an elder learned person, so as to not get carried away, atleast until when the Guru graces us.

Actually, all these, knowledge is also one kind of Siddhi, most get carried away by this Siddhi and tend to forget the true goal. One can transcend the Anima Garimaadi Ashta Siddhi, but this Knowledge Siddhi is so subtle that it fools even the most sharpest of disciples.

Thank you Jewel.


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: October 07, 2012, 09:37:25 AM »
Food for thought, Sri Ravi. Thank you!

General Discussion / Transforming Anger
« on: October 06, 2012, 08:46:05 PM »
Mahatma Gandhi provides a perfect example of how anger can be harnessed. As a young, unknown, brown-skinned lawyer traveling in South Africa on business, he was roughly thrown from the train because he refused to surrender his first-class ticket and move to the third-class compartment. He spent a cold, sleepless night on the railway platform.

Later, he said this was the turning point of his life: for on that night, full of anger because of this personal injustice, as well as the countless injustices suffered by so many others every day in South Africa, he resolved not to rest until he had set those injustices right. On that night he conquered his anger and vowed to resist injustice, not by violence or retaliation, but through the loving power of nonviolent resistance, which elevates the consciousness of both oppressed and oppressor.

We may never be called on to liberate a people or lead a vast nation, but Gandhi's example can apply in a small way in our own lives, when we decide to return goodwill for ill will, love for hatred, in the innumerable little acts of daily life.

"I have learned through bitter experience the one supreme lesson to conserve my anger, and as heat conserved is transmuted into energy, even so our anger controlled can be transmuted into a power that can move the world."

(Mahatma Gandhi)

General Discussion / Seven Good Qualities
« on: October 06, 2012, 08:38:57 PM »
Seven Good Qualities

- Have faith
- Have moral shame
- Have fear of misconduct
- Be proficient in learning
- Be resolute
- Be mindful
- Be wise


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