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General topics / Re: Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon
« on: October 11, 2012, 07:18:45 PM »
Sri Hari, your question got smiles in my face, the way you expressed your question was fun :) :

Does the mental body also have 'mental brain'? If it is so why this confusion about NDE? And why we are looking for the answer in the physical brain? But if relative reality is only a product of the physical brain then all discussion about this matter are meaningless.

P.S. I have not found any consensus even among spiritual masters about these experiences.

i think, you have yourself answered well, when you observed - "But if relative reality is only a product of the physical brain then all discussion about this matter are meaningless."


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General topics / Re: Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon
« on: October 11, 2012, 07:03:19 PM »
Some useful quotes of Sri Bhagavan, for contemplation:



Rebirth means discontent with the present state, and desire to be born where there will be no discontent. Births, being of the body, cannot affect the Self. The Self remains over even after the body perishes. The discontent is due to the wrong identity of the Eternal Self with the perishable body. The body is a necessary adjunct of the ego. If the ego is killed the eternal Self is revealed in all its glory.

D.: Do you not uphold the theory of rebirth?
M.: No. On the other hand, I want to remove your confusion that you will be reborn. It is you who think that you will be reborn. See for whom this question arises. Unless the questioner is found, the questions can never be set at rest.

Birth and rebirth pertain to the body. You are identifying the Self with the body. It is a wrong identification. You believe that the body has been born and will die, and confound the phenomena relating to the one with the other. Know your real being and these questions will not arise.

Birth and rebirth are mentioned only to make you investigate the question and find out that there are neither births nor rebirths. They relate to the body and not to the Self. Know the Self and be not perturbed by doubts.

D.: What is karma and rebirth?
M.: See the karta (doer) and then the karma (action) becomes obvious. If you are born now, rebirth may follow. See if you are born now. Rebirth is due to vasanas which are binding.

D.: The knot is concomitant with the body. The body is due to birth. How is rebirth to cease?
M.: Who is born? Is the Self born? Or is it the body?
D.: It is the body.
M.: Then let the body ask how its rebirth may cease.
D.: It will not ask. So I am asking.
M.: Whose is the body? You were without it in your deep sleep. After the ‘I-thought’ arose the body arose. The first birth is that of ‘Ithought’. The body has its birth subsequent to ‘I-thought’. So its birth is secondary. Get rid of the primary cause and the secondary one will disappear by itself.

Rebirth means discontent with the present state, and desire to be born where there will be no discontent. Births, being of the body, cannot affect the Self. The Self remains over even after the body perishes. The discontent is due to the wrong identity of the Eternal Self with the perishable body. The body is a necessary adjunct of the ego. If the ego is killed the eternal Self is revealed in all its glory.

D.: Do you not uphold the theory of rebirth?
M.: No. On the other hand, I want to remove your confusion that you will be reborn. It is you who think that you will be reborn.

G. Mehta: Is there a rebirth?
Bhagavan: If there is birth there must be not only one rebirth but a whole succession of births. Why and how did you get this birth? For the same reason and in the same manner you must have succeeding births. But if you ask who has the birth and whether birth and death are for you or for somebody distinct from you, then you realize the truth and the truth burns up all karma and frees you from all births. The books graphically describe how all sanchita karma, which would take countless lives to exhaust, is burnt up by one little spark of jnana, just as a mountain of gunpowder will be blown up by a single spark of fire. It is the ego that is the cause of all the world and of the countless sciences whose researches are so great as to baffle description, and if the ego is dissolved by enquiry all this
immediately crumbles and the Reality or Self alone remains.


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Humour / How much "ego" do you need?
« on: October 11, 2012, 12:00:23 PM »
Q: How much "ego" do you need?
A: Just enough so that you don't step in front of a bus.

(Shunryu Suzuki)


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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: October 11, 2012, 11:57:17 AM »
Sri Tushnim,

i just posted this:

"I gained nothing at all from Supreme Enlightenment, and for that very reason it is called Supreme Enlightenment."

(Buddha)

 ॐ

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General Discussion / Supreme Enlightenment
« on: October 11, 2012, 11:51:59 AM »
"I gained nothing at all from Supreme Enlightenment, and for that very reason it is called Supreme Enlightenment."

(Buddha)

 ॐ

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General Discussion / Nurture Serenity
« on: October 11, 2012, 11:14:23 AM »
ಸ್ಮಿತವಿರಳಿ ವದನದಲಿ ಕಿವಿಗೆ ಕೇಳಿಸದಿರಲಿ
ಹಿತವಿರಳಿ ವಚನದಲಿ ಋತವ ಬಿಡದಿರಲಿ
ಮಿತವಿರಲಿ ಮನಸಿನುದ್ವೇಗದಲಿ ಭೊಗದಲಿ
ಅತಿ ಬೇಡವೆಲ್ಲಿಯುಂ - ಮಂಕುತಿಮ್ಮ


smitavirali vadanadali kivige kELisadirali
hitavirali vacanadali Rutava biDadirali
mitavirali manasinudvEgadali bhOgadali
ati bEDavelliyum - mankutimma

Have a smiling face, have a nice word
Let not ears hear roar of laughter, don't let go of duties
Belimited in mind's agitation and enjoyment
Don't be excessive in anything - Mankuthimma

DVG speaks about nurturing serenity. Let there be always a pleasant smile on your face, specially when you see somebody and also let there be warmth in your talk, and what you talk be of some good or interest of the other, let it be soothing and not loud, let it be pleasant to the ears. Stick to good principles of life. Do not utter something inorder to please others. Control emotions and aviod excessive indulgence. These will mould your life, thus says Mankuthimma.


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General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 08:52:50 PM »
Thinking of this, in a lighter vein, sometimes I feel that knowing the meaning produces ordinary results; not knowing produces better results. How do I think that lack of understanding produces better results and not understanding?

There is a Collector. A farmer engages a lawyer to write a petition for him addressed to the Collector. He himself submits this petition to the Collector. Although illiterate his submission ends with a prayer naturally for favorable orders from the Collector. The Collector would naturally conclude that the poor man does not know much but has faith in his justice. And so he passes favorable orders. So, is the case with mantras. Their full import is only known to God. We should not, however, be mischievous in our approach. If there is a fault in the lawyer's argument, the Collector is naturally annoyed. He would be more annoyed if he thought that the  farmer also was aware of the fault. Whereas, if the Collector thought that the farmer was not responsible for the fault of the lawyer, he would be favorably disposed towards the farmer. Therefore, it is not correct to say, "I do not understand. So what is the use of chanting it?" As I said, recitation without understanding works even better, provided there is innocence. This was said for fun. In the present-day world, however, intellect has become sharp. When I find that the humility of the uneducated is undermined, I feel that it would perhaps be better to have faith devoid of intellect instead of intellect devoid of faith.

But, in truth, one must have intellect with humility. Although the meaning of mantras is only secondary to the sound of their correct intonation, since the mantras are our Dharmic laws, we can act accordingly only if their meaning is understood. Hence one must try to understand the import of the mantras also lend greater strength to the chanting of the same.

Vedas must be chanted with grandeur, so that the sound can be properly heard. Vedic mantras not only produce beneficial vibrations in the pulse of the one who chants properly but also similar vibrations in those who may hear them. Since it is spread in the atmosphere, it ensures well-being here and hereafter. Therefore, it must be audibly chanted so that it can spread far and wide in the atmosphere.

(The Vedas, Kanchi Mahaswami)


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General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 08:34:27 PM »
Whether one understands the meaning or not, a job done in the belief that the learned ones of the past had prescribed its performance, produces good results. More than in other acts, this should be stressed in the practice of Vedic Japa, because the vibrations created by correct intonation alone produces essential results. Here, the effects that sound produces is all-important. The effect of the meaning is secondary.

(The Vedas, Kanchi Mahaswami)


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General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 08:30:45 PM »
गीतीशीघ्री शिरःकंपी तथालिखितपाठकः ।
अनर्थज्ञः अल्पकण्ठश्च षडैते पाठकाधमाः ॥


gItI shIghrI shirahkampI tathAlikhitapATakah
anarthajnyah alpakaNTashca ShaDaitE pATakAdhamAh

gItI is one who chants in a sing-song fashion. This is not correct Though sAmavEda is musically recited, it can be recited only in the approved musical way and not as one pleases. Further, since the sound and its variations have potency, recitations other than in the proper svarA is not only not proper but harmful. It should be recited only in the prescribed mode.

shIghrI is one who chants in a quick tempo and ends the recitation quickly. This is alos wrong. The vedic words should be intoned by closely adhering to the time limits prescribed for uttering each word-sound if full benefits are to result.

shirahkampI is one who shakes and nods his head needlessly while chanting. One should sit straight in concentration and allow the pulse vibration to occur naturally by themselves. Nodding of the head like a musician disturbs the vibrations.

likhitapATakah is one who reads from the written script. This is not right. It should be learnt by the ear from oral chanting by a teacher and committed to memory in the proper manner.

anarthajnyah means one who does not understand the meaning. It is necessary to know the meaning of the words of the mantras in order to have the full beneficial effects.

alpakaNTashca is one who recites in a feeble voice. In order that the sound vibrations have good effect, the sounds should be properly audible and not mumbled.

(The Vedas, Kanchi Mahaswami)


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General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 08:07:54 PM »
Nice summary Sri Atmavichar,

maharishi pAnInI clearly conveys how the vedic words are to be chanted:

व्याघ्री यथा हरेत् पुत्रान् दंष्ट्राभ्यां च न पीडयेत् ।
भीत पतनादेताभ्यां तद्वत् वर्णान् प्रयोजयेत् ॥


vyAghrI yathA harEt putrAn damStrAn ca na  pIDayEt
bhIta patanAdEtAbhyAm tadvat varNAn prayOjaEt

The Vedic letters must be spoken very lucidly. The sounds should not be blurred. The sound should not slip down or fade out. On the other hand, they should not be barked out. They should neither be loosely or casually mouthed nor spat out in staccato tones. The comparison is with a mother tiger. How does the tiger carry its young? Cast and tigers carry their young by their teeth. The teeth grip the cub firmly so that the cub does not slip and fall, but, at the same time, the teeth do not cause any hurt or pain. Likewise, the words are to be pronounced delicately but firmly.

(The Vedas, Kanchi Mahaswami)


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General Discussion / How Congress party got Hand Symbol
« on: October 10, 2012, 06:55:11 PM »
I just remembered this, in context of Sri Ravi's post mentioning Indira Gandhi's visit to Kanchi Swamy.  Indira Gandhi sought benediction from His Holiness when she was out of power. Inspired by the blessings of the Acharya, she adopted the “Hand” as the symbol for the Congress party.




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General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 05:37:07 PM »
Sri Tushnim, Sri Subramanian Sir,

Sage Bharadwaja wanted to learn all the Vedas, the Gods were very pleased with him, and appeared before him at the time of his death, and conferred a boon to him. 100 years had passed by in this manner, Sage Bharadwaja requested his life extended by another 100 years, as he had still not been able to complete his study, in this fashion, Sage Bharadwaja multiplied his life to several hundreds of years, and still remained to yet complete his study.

This is more our bounden duty, it is our Karma, to do it, no questions of whys, if one is initiated into it, it is like the Sun, which goes on doing its duty without questioning. It is a way conferred, to such a one to play his part in the entire cosmos, in the cosmic plan.

Who can really infer or understand what meanings really are, we may as much assume some essence just for our own sake, but who truly knows?

Which is why the term asthika is used. asti iti Astikah (one who believes some power is there) We primarily believe some power is there behind everything, so we do it. One who believes says "asti" some power is there, and does his part without question.

It is said, by performing sandhyA worship, one does not gain anything, but by its non performance, one acquires sin.


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General Discussion / ethical dilemma
« on: October 10, 2012, 04:57:33 PM »
Ethical Dilemma - dharma sankaTam

ಧರ್ಮಸಂಕಟದಿ ಮನ ತಲ್ಲಣಿಸುತಿರುವಂದು
ನಿರ್ಮಥಿಸು ನಿನ್ನಾತ್ಮವನೆ ಮಮತೆ ಬಿಟ್ಟು
ನಿರ್ಮಮದ ಸದ್ವಿವೇಕದ ದೀಪಕಿಂತ ನೀಂ
ನೆಮ್ಮಲಿನ್ನೇನಿಹುದೊ - ಮನ್ಕುತಿಮ್ಮ


dharma sankaTadi mana tallaNisutiruvandu
nirmathisu ninnAtmavane mamate biTTu
nirmamada sadvivEkada dIpakinta nEn
nemmalinnEnisuhudO mankutimma

When your mind is perplexed with ethical dilemma,
Introspect yourself with dispassion
what else but the light of conscience
Can you depend upon? - Mankuthimma


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General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 04:13:53 PM »
Similarly, i have heard from a learned gentleman, who is well versed in the Veda Shastra that, these Yajnas and Homas, that are conducted to appease the heavens for rains is true. He says, when the respective mantras are chanted without error and with a feeling of devotion and sincerity, the smoke that comes from the fire as a result of various oblation made to the fire in the form of various grains and also garments, (sometimes) brings about change in the air, which effect the change in the atmosphere and spread it like how bacteria converts the entire milk into curds, and goes on up above and attract the waters in the atmospheric clouds and bring forth rain.

What is lacking today, in general is faith.


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General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 03:59:34 PM »
Its a great co-incidence or a blessing, that this article about water researched by Dr Masaru Emoto appears in the current edition of Mountain Path, written by Christopher Quilkey, titled "The Miracle of Water", inspired and based on a book by the Japanese scientist Dr. Masaru Emoto.

:)

Indeed Homage to His presence




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