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2911
General Discussion / Mind held till it is dissolved
« on: October 13, 2012, 04:46:27 AM »
तावदेव निरोद्धव्यं यावद्हृदि गतं क्षयम् ।
एतत्ज्ञानंच मोक्षश्च शेषो ग्रन्थस्य विस्तरः ॥


tAvadEva nirOdDavyam yAvadhrudi gatam kShayam
etatjnAnanca mOkShashca sheShO granthasya vistarah

The mind should be held in that state till it is dissolved in the heart (i.e. completely freed from the transformation). This is knowledge and also this is liberation, the rest (scriptural discourse) is only dwelling upon it in detail.

(amritabindu upanishad)

Also to note the previously posted quote by gOrakhnAth is noteworthy! (Given below)

पढ़ि पढ़ि पढ़ि केता मुवा कथिकथिकथि कहा कीन्ह।
बढ़ि बढ़ि बढ़ि बहु धट गया पारब्रह्म नहीं चीन्ह॥


paṛhi paṛhi paṛhi ketā muvā kathikathikathi kahā kīnha
baṛhi baṛhi baṛhi bahu dhaṭa gayā pārabrahma nahīṁ cīnha

Reading, reading, reading – so many have died in this way; they were ceaselessly speaking about it, but did they actually advanced towards their objective? Further and further on, through how many bodies one has to pass without realizing Pāra Brahma?


2912
General topics / Self Restraint
« on: October 13, 2012, 04:36:42 AM »
क्रोधादिवासनाक्षयरूपस्यशमादेर्ज्ञानहेतुत्वं प्रसिद्धम् ॥

krOdhAdivAsanAkShayarUpasya shamArdErjnyAnahEtutvaM prasidDham

Self restraint and the like are the other names of the effacement of he vAsanAs and it is well known  that these - self restraint etc. are the means to jnAna.

(naishkarmyasiddhi, surEshwarAchAryA)


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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 13, 2012, 04:31:38 AM »
रिपौ बन्धौ स्वदेहे च समैकात्म्यं प्रपश्यतः ।
विवेकिनः कुतः कोपः स्वदेहावयवेष्विव ॥


ripau bandhau svadEhE ca samaikAtmyam prapashyatah
vivEkinah kutah kOpah svadEhAvayEShviva

From where can there be anger for a man of discrimination who sees the same One Self in the bodies of his friends, foes and his own, just as one perceives the same one body in all one's limbs.

(naishkarmyasiddhi, surEshwarAchAryA)


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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 13, 2012, 04:19:30 AM »
बाल्ये दुःखातिरेको मललुलितवपुः स्तन्यपाने पिपासा
नो शक्तश्चेन्द्रियेभ्यो भवगुणजनिताः जन्तवो मां तुदन्ति ।
नानारोगादिदुःखाद्रुदनपरवशः शङ्करं न स्मरामि
क्षन्तव्यो मे‌உपराधः शिव शिव शिव भो श्री महादेव शम्भो ॥2॥


bAlyE dukhAtirEkO malalulitavapuh stanyapAne pipAsA
nO shaktascendriyEbhyO bhavaguNajanitAh jantavo mAm tudanti
nAnArOgAdidukhAdidrudanaparavashah shankaram na smarAmi
kShantavO me aparAdhah shiva shiva shiva bhO shrI mahAdEva shambhO

In childhood my suffering never came to an end;
My body was covered with filth and I craved for my mother’s breasts.
Over my body and limbs I had no control;
I was pursued by troublesome flies and mosquitoes;
Day and night I cried with the pain of many an ailment, forgetting Thee, O Sankara!
Therefore, O Siva! O Mahadeva! O Sambhu! Forgive me, I pray, for my transgressions.

(shiva aparAdha kShamApana stotram)

(Adi shankarAcharyA)


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General topics / Re: few points for contemplation
« on: October 12, 2012, 10:18:31 PM »
Thank you, Sri Ravi, the link is indeed very useful. Infact, an acquaintance was looking for a book on the Mother, and this fulfills that too.

with prayers,


2916
General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 12, 2012, 05:00:18 PM »
आदौ कर्मप्रसङ्गात्कलयति कलुषं मातृकुक्षौ स्थितं मां
विण्मूत्रामेध्यमध्ये कथयति नितरां जाठरो जातवेदाः ।
यद्यद्वै तत्र दुःखं व्यथयति नितरां शक्यते केन वक्तुं
क्षन्तव्यो मे‌உपराधः शिव शिव शिव भो श्री महादेव शम्भो ॥1॥


aadau karmaprasangaatkalayati kaluShaM maatRukukShau sthitaM maaM
viNmootraamEdhyamadhyE kathayati nitaraaM jaaTharO jaatavEdaaH |
yadyadvai tatra duHkhaM vyathayati nitaraaM SakyatE kEna vaktuM
kShantavyO mEparaadhaH Siva Siva Siva bhO Sree mahaadEva SambhO

Even before I saw the light of this world, my sins from previous births,
Through which I passed because of desire for the fruit of my deeds,
Punished me as I lay in my mother’s womb.
There I was boiled in the midst of filthy things:
Who can describe the pain that afflicts the child in its mother’s womb?
Therefore, O Siva! O Mahadeva! O Sambhu! Forgive me, I pray, for my transgressions.

(shiva aparAdha kShamApana stotram)

(Adi shankarAcharyA)


2917
General Discussion / Re: sandhyA vandanam
« on: October 12, 2012, 01:13:47 PM »
Krishnan,

I am happy you are asking questions without any reservations, I am sure, the eternal Guru, will answer through me, as an instrument. I will strive to substantiate as much as possible through the words of Sages, i.e. the Shastras.

with prayers,


2918
I feel, in such dilemma, it is simple common discernment to go and fall at the feet of Acharyas of the Maths established by Sri Adi Shankaracharya.

They are the ones who are directly coming down the Adi Shankara lineage. No doubts. Why so much struggle?

One may either go and fall at the feet of Sringeri Swamigal or Kanchi Swamigal, Or you may go to Other Swamigals endoresed by these Jagadgurus such as Swami Paramarthananda, Swami Omkarananda, Swami Dayananda Saraswati and so on.

This is why our roots have to be strong, we all have our family Guru, we should be in tune with our family traditions and customs. Most of our answers can be found by just looking what our forefathers did, instead of speculating, needlessly. One should strive to uphold the traditions of ones family.


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General Discussion / sandhyA vandanam - Discussion
« on: October 12, 2012, 11:00:27 AM »
Friends,

I am further motivated by listening to Sri Bharati Theertha Swamigal speach, yesterday, that one has to do this kriya and also make others also perform this act, if possible.

I am opening a thread that describes the procedure to perform sandhyAvandanam. Before I begin, there are few basic points to be noted. I will try to keep it very brief, only so as to enable perform the kriya. Any more doubts and questions can be discussed if need be.

Who should perform?

One who has been initiated into the gayatri mantra through the procedure of upanayanam (the sacred thread) is eligible to perform this kriya.

When is it to be performed?

This is performed 3 times in a day, early morning, around the Sun rise, the Noon and at the time of Sun Set.

Which vEda

Primarily, significant part of sandhyAvandanam is common, few mantras may change here and there, based on which which vEda shAkhA one belongs to. I am primarily going to present the yajur shAkhA here. if need be, upon request, i can also present the other shakhA procedure as well.

Thank you.


2920
General Discussion / Attitude towards Non-Self
« on: October 12, 2012, 09:50:55 AM »
It is foolish to harbour a deep hatred for the non-self, which is perceived in consciousness through confusion. The mind should not be allowed to wander towards worldly objects and what concerns other people. However bad people may appear to be, one should bear no hatred for them. Both desire and hatred should be eschewed.

(Guru Vachaka Kovai, 488)


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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 11, 2012, 09:21:48 PM »
my post is actually redundant, the essence is very neatly, already conveyed in Sri Ravi's post itself!


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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 11, 2012, 09:10:40 PM »
Just felt like adding a couple of points. Mundakopanishad says thus:

द्वे विद्ये वेदितव्ये इति ह स्म यद्ब्रह्मविदो वदन्ति परा चैवापरा च

dve vidyE veditavyE eti hasma yad brahmavido vadanti, para chaivApara ca

which means, there are two kinds of knowledge worthy to be known, namely, one is para vidyA and the other is aparA vidyA

para vidyA is the knowledge of the Divine and aparA vidyA is the knowledge of the world. One may engage in countless works, even be very honest and God fearing, but if his actions are not intended towards striving to gain the knowledge of the Divine, then it does not lead one towards Divinity, but only those actions performed with the pure intention of striving only for God and divinity alone is of praiseworthy.

Therefore having the idea that one is working only for God's sake is very simple, and easy way to remain steadfast in para vidyA that is striving towards the knowledge of the divine.

there is a thin line between two, mere excellence in worldly life without the knowledge of para vidyA would only bring temporary happiness but with constant thought of God, brings everlasting contentment, where one would realise that the kingdom of heaven is within you.

This is the promise of the Gods and Gurus, as i see.


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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 11, 2012, 08:49:41 PM »
Seeking God is Nivritti marga,seeking the world is pravritti.Actions done as an offering to God is Nivritti,actions done to further one's desire is pravritti.

Nivritti is moving to the core of one's being.Pravritti is moving away from the core.

What to say of someone like Sri Ramakrishna who says:""I do see God directly. What shall I reason about? I clearly see that He Himself has become everything; that He Himself has become the universe and all living beings."

Pravritti and Nivritti loses all meaning for such a one.

Stamping clarity! Thank you for this post.


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General topics / Re: Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon
« on: October 11, 2012, 08:29:16 PM »
Sri Hari,

the point is about faith here. it is about the trust we have on the words of the Guru who advises us the way that we have to go. what ever else the scriptures declare, be it the Gita, Bible or the Koran, let it happen in its own course. Our bounden duty at the moment is to blindly follow the Guru's advise.

i would go on further to say, who knows what truth, really is, who really knows, if it is advaitA, or dvaitA or visishtAdvaita or what the Koran says or what the bible says or what ever the other great schools have to say, who can say?

It is purely and simply like resting all our faith on our mother, and rest our faith on her without any questions, whatsoever! We know, the mother will not fail us, no matter wherever she goes, she will protect us, she will give us what ever the best she has, what ever best she knows.

Without the mother (Guru), it is only going to be chaos, why to remain in a speculative realm? rather the words of the Guru who is verily the mother is the only thing that can be trusted upon blindly.

When we are under the shadow of the Guru, there is no question of what if... what He says, I do, and I leave all the "what if's" to the Guru!

This is the spirit that brings me solace!


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General topics / Re: Afterlife exists says top brain surgeon
« on: October 11, 2012, 07:29:52 PM »
Sri Tushnim, Sri Hari,

Even the explanation given by vedanta can only be verified actually, only when we ourselves die, until then, its just knowledge hearsay!

But, can we know when we die? can we know the moment we were born really? This is what Sri Bhagavan focuses on, he asks, if you are born now? know yourself, and so on...

Basically, he wants us to stop speculating about these things (they are actually useless) and bring back the outgoing mind, inwards, to its source.


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