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Dear Pythagoras,

Looking at your questions and reflections, i believe and recommend you read the lectures of Swami Rama Tirtha. Most of your doubts and questions will assuredly be cleared. Swami Rama Tirtha was a giant among Sages.


General Discussion / Re: ramana sthavam
« on: January 07, 2015, 03:47:30 PM »
Dear Dr Sundaram,

There is a Ramana Stavam composed by one Sundarananda Swami. it is a beautiful stava in Samskrit. Bhagavan willing, I shall try and reproduce it here when i have time. I can produce it in Samskrit and English Transliteration with translation.


General topics / Re: Luci Ma's Day - 31.12.2014
« on: January 07, 2015, 03:40:40 PM »
Hearsay from reliable sources : as Kanakammal was taken out of the Samadhi hall, she was still breathing unconscious and the breathing stopped only around the asramam wel area. So as per the Agamas, Bhagavan's shrine was excluded from the formal purificatory rituals. All is Bhagavan's leela.

It is also interesting to note here that Asramam itself was previously graveyard, which is a favourite spot for Siva.


Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Light Post
« on: January 05, 2015, 11:04:27 AM »
Maha maya - namaste cguruji
Cguru - ah ! What a pleasant surprise!  Welcome MM! what brings you here? You have not been seen for quite for some time! How are you and what brings you here?
MM - I am fed up with my life cguruji!
Cguru - why so?
MM - all complain and blame me for all their problems. I have become a scape goat for all! I am very depressed cguruji  :(
Cguru - oh ! Is that so?
MM - yes! And I am going to file an FIR
Cguru - saying what?
MM - though I am Not, all hold me responsible for their problems. Therefore I want to file an FIR myself saying that I do not exist. I pray and hope that atleast then, I will not be held responsible for the problems of the world!
Cguru - World? Who is that?
MM - it seems that I have given birth to world!
Cguru - haha looks like you are yourself being caught by MM
MM - quite so! That is why I want to file an FIR that I do not exist.
Cguru - good be to you, your intentions so grand, you are giving yourself up for yourself ! Let's see what happens!

General topics / Re: Maha Kavi Bharati's Birthday - 11.12.2014
« on: December 28, 2014, 09:59:52 PM »
Bharathiyar is more associated with society reformations, patriotism, independence and superstition eradication.

The seeming spiritual literature made by him were also reflecting the above sentiments under different disguise.

We all must thank him for leaving lot of tamil poems which are treasure house for Tamil Literary lovers.

Poets pray to God in different ways.

In Sri Bharathiyar's scenario, some of his songs were misinterpreted (or interpreted?)
by his own disciples to throw blasphemy, abuse at the Hinduism and its rituals.

Sri Bharathiyar is one man who captured the hearts of religious men and atheists alike for various opposite reasons.

I agree sir, his tamil poems are unparallel with poetic force.

But to call him a Siddha Purusha, a jnani is highly artificial.

The terms jnani, paramahamsa, siddha purusha etc. are highly sacred, holiest and reserved for the gem of the incarnations that mankind can have.

To compare a ordinary mortal poet with a siddha purusha simply  by weighing with intellectual scholarship as a scale is not correct.

There were siddha purushas like Kaaga Bhujandar, Romachar, Palani Bhogar -- they can even burn some of the karmas of their devotees. 

Even more there were uneducated saints like Vitoba who were siddha purushas.

Let us not glorify poetic artists with such unmatching exalted super human terms.

Somehow, an urge has been on coming off and on to express my thoughts regarding the above reflection by Krishnan, and i let them out. If we see from the above paradigm, then Lord Krishna is the greatest of reformer, patriotism, independence and superstition eradicator of highest order. Just to quote one verse of the Lord -

Yada Yada Hi Dharmasya Glanirva Bhavathi Bharatha,
Abhyuthanam Adharmaysya Tadatmanam Srijami Aham'

"Whenever there is decay of righteousness O! Bharatha
And a rise of unrighteousness then I manifest Myself!"

What a reformist has Krishna been! How many avatars has Vishnu taken? how many Sages to fulfill his purpose? how many ways how many Dharmas, how compassionate he has been?

All of the above reflections perfectly suit Krishna, who can be called none, a Sage, a Rishi, a Maharshi, s Siddha, and what not! Krishna was a leage of his own! So does Bharati! I feel, Bharati need not be called a Siddha or Rishi or anything, it does not really matter to me! He is a leage of his own! like the pole star, Bharati is his own Star. There has been none like him before and none hereafter as well!

Bharati is a "ஞான சுடர் பிழம்பு"


நல்லதொர் வீணை செய்தே- அதை
சொல்லடி, சிவசக்தி?

Having crafted a wonderful Veena - will thou
spoil and consign it to dust?
Tell O' Goddess

It is enough for me, Bharati being NOBODY, he is no body, he is just an ordinary man like me and one and all!


It is an ego in man, that is shocked to find ego in others.

~ Sri Aurobindo

General Discussion / Re: Happy Deepavali - 2014.
« on: October 22, 2014, 10:43:27 AM »
Dear Ramanaduliji, very poignant  reflection... It has made my deepavali.

Also agal vilaku may include like this, adding to yours -

Aga - aham,
Ill - Illam, (home)
Vilaku - Deep am, light, glow

Aha-Ill-Vilakku - ahallvilaku


Happy Deepaavali.

Dear Sri Ravi and friends,

I chanced to come across this verse that i had then remembered but could not trace it so long, regarding the topic in discussion here. What a profound thought (given below)

This appears in the Uttara Ramayana, after the coronation of Lord Rama after the tough and victorious fight with Ravana and after spending 14 years in exile.

Hanuman then bowed to Rama and offered the following prayer: "Lord, may there be in me supreme devotion to you; may my heart never waver in its devotion. And, mau I live just so long as your story and your glory are sung in this world."

Rama said: "Even so be it, O Hanuman. My stories shall be narrated in this world so long as the world lasts; and your glory will endure so long as my stories are narrated in this world. For just one of the great services you have rendered to me, I am bound to give you my very life; for the numerous others I shall ever remain indebted to you. One who has received help reciprocates in times of the other's difficulties; but I wish that you may never stand in need of my help, and that you may never find yourself in difficulty." Sating so, Rama embraced Hanuman and bestowed upon him the precious gift of necklace he himself had worn around his neck.

Related Verses of the above conversation:

स्नेहो मे परमो राजंस्त्वयि नित्यं प्रतिष्ठितः |
भक्तिश्च नियता वीर भावो नान्यत्र गच्छति || १५||

यावद्रामकथां वीर श्रोष्येऽहं पृथिवीतले |
तावच्छरीरे वत्स्यन्तु मम प्राणा न संशयः || १६||

एवं ब्रुवाणं राजेन्द्रो हनूमन्तमथासनात् |
उत्थाय च परिष्वज्य वाक्यमेतदुवाच ह || १७||

एवमेतत्कपिश्रेष्ठ भविता नात्र संशयः |
लोका हि यावत्स्थास्यन्ति तावत्स्थास्यति मे कथा || १८||

चरिष्यति कथा यावल्लोकानेषा हि मामिका |
तावच्छरीरे वत्स्यन्ति प्राणास्तव न संशयः || १९||

ततोऽस्य हारं चन्द्राभं मुच्य कण्ठात्स राघवः |
वैदूर्यतरलं स्नेहादाबबन्धे हनूमति || २०||

Uttarakanda 40

Glory to Rama,
Glory to Ramayana
Glory to Sage Vaalmiki


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 25, 2014, 09:33:07 PM »
I Am All

I am the blue firmament and the black cloud,
I am the waterfall and the sound thereof,
I am the graven image and the stone by the wayside,
I am the rose and the falling petals thereof,
I am the flower of the field and the sacred lotus,
I am the sanctified waters and the still pool,
I am the tree that towereth among the mountains
And the blade of grass in the peaceful lane,
I am the tender spring leaf and the evergreen foliage.

I am the barbarian and the sage,
I am the impious and the pious,
I am the ungodly and the godly,
I am the harlot and the virgin,
I am the liberated and the man of time,
I am the the indestructible and the destructible,
I am the renunciation and the proud possessor.
I am all
few know me.

I am neither This nor That,
I am neither detached nor attached,
I am neither heaven nor hell -- few know me --
I am neither philosophies nor creeds,
I am neither the Guru nor the disciple.
O friend,
I contain all.

I am clear as the mountain stream,
Simple as the new spring leaf.

Happy are they
That meet with me.

~ J Krishnamurti

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 25, 2014, 09:08:00 PM »
Though he has no form
my eyes saw him,

his glory is fire in my mind
that knows

his secret inner form
invented by the soul.

What is
beyond the mind

has no boundary.
In it our senses end.

Mukta says: Words cannot hold him
yet in him all words are.

~ Muktabai, Sri Jnaneshwar's sister

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 25, 2014, 02:20:23 PM »
Stray thought...

There is no attainment,
There is only dea-ttainment.


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 24, 2014, 09:54:33 PM »
An old Zen saying:

?In matters of religion, most persons prefer chewing the menu to actually eating the food!?


Dear Sri Anil, Sri Prashant and friends,

This appears in Talk itself as follows

Talk 557.

A visitor asked: ?We are advised to concentrate on the spot in the forehead between the eyebrows. Is it right??
M.: Everyone is aware, ?I am?. Leaving aside that awareness one goes about in search of God. What is the use of fixing one?s attention between the eyebrows? It is mere folly to say that God is between the eyebrows. The aim of such advice is to help the mind to concentrate. It is one of the forcible methods to check the mind and prevent its dissipation. It is forcibly directed into one channel. It is a help to concentration. But the best means of realisation is the enquiry ?Who am I?? The present trouble is to the mind and it must be removed by the mind only.

There is a minor difference in the way it is conveyed by AHAM, quoted below again:

The feeling "I am" is directly evident to everyone.  What happiness is there in seeing any particular God if one ignores this feeling?  There is no foolishness like that of thinking that God exists only in certain spots such as the place between the eyebrows. Fixing the attention on these spots or locations is just a violent form of sadhana (spiritual practice) whose aim is to concentrate the mind in order to prevent it from running everywhere.  Inquiring, "Who Am I?" is a much easier method of controlling the mind.

I wonder how this talk is conveyed in Bhagavat Vachanaamrutam, the tamil version of Talks with Bhagavan, request any one to post the same if possible, as currently my copy is not available with me. The Aham version is slightly diluting the spirit as originally conveyed in the English Talks. If we note, Sri Bhagavan is rightly guiding the visitor in question as to the essence of concentrating between the eye brows. As we know Lord Krishna had advised this in Gita. Sri Adi Shankaracharya too, has advised the same in Vivekachoodamani as well. It has to be discerned that this method itself is not foolishness, but Sri Bhagavan like Lord Krishna and Adi Shankara shows light on the prayoga of the same.


Cautionary advice / Books and Materials on Sri Bhagavan
« on: September 24, 2014, 11:29:57 AM »
Dear Devotees,

As a humble devotee like everyone of you, i felt an urge to convey that the devotees may please be informed that it is best to refer to the materials and books presented and sold by the official website of Sri Ramanasramam alone ( As the works available in here alone can be considered the most authentic for your study and reflections on the teachings of Sri Bhagavan.

In todays world, in times of information overload, in platforms such as Internet, there are plenty of information and in-depth information, analyses and deep study in to the teachings of Sri Bhagavan. Devotees are best advised to not take these materials as granted. Do not even depend on the information available here in this forum for granted. Always make sure about the authenticity of the words, statements, observations by Self Effort by checking if they genuinely stated by Sri Bhagavan.

There are random information and studies available everywhere, it could prove be a great stepping stone in ones sadhana that might end up creating needless confusions. This is not to discourage reading the various information available instantly. There is a reason by we need to pay some money and buy books, for our study, than that of simply downloading pdf files from internet for free!

Keep simple things fist. Go by the Rules. It will never fail.

Thank you.


General topics / Re: Buddha quotes
« on: September 24, 2014, 10:43:12 AM »
Dhamma Nature

Sometimes, when a fruit tree is in bloom, a breeze stirs and scatters blossoms to the ground. Some buds remain and grow into a small green fruit. A wind blows and some of them, too, fall! Still others may become fruit or nearly ripe, or some even fully ripe, before they fall.

And so it is with people. Like flowers and fruit in the wind they, too, fall in different stages of life. Some people die while still in the womb, others within only a few days after birth. Some people live for a few years then die, never having reached maturity. Men and women die in their youth. Still others reach a ripe old age before they die.

When reflecting upon people, consider the nature of fruit in the wind: both are very uncertain.

This uncertain nature of things can also be seen in the monastic life. Some people come to the monastery intending to ordain but change their minds and leave, some with heads already shaved. Others are already novices, then they decide to leave. Some ordain for only one Rains Retreat then disrobe. Just like fruit in the wind - all very uncertain!

Our minds are also similar. A mental impression arises, draws and pulls at the mind, then the mind falls - just like fruit.

The Buddha understood this uncertain nature of things. He observed the phenomenon of fruit in the wind and reflected upon the monks and novices who were his disciples. He found that they, too, were essentially of the same nature - uncertain! How could it be otherwise? This is just the way of all things.

Thus, for one who is practicing with awareness, it isn't necessary to have someone to advise and teach all that much to be able to see and understand. An example is the case of the Buddha who, in a previous life, was King Mahajanaka. He didn't need to study very much. All he had to do was observe a mango tree.

One day, while visiting a park with his retinue of ministers, from atop his elephant, he spied some mango tees heavily laden with ripe fruit. Not being able to stop at that time, he determined in his mind to return later to partake of some. Little did he know, however, that his ministers, coming along behind, would greedily gather them all up; that they would use poles to knock them down, beating and breaking the branches and tearing and scattering the leaves.

Returning in the evening to the mango grove, the king, already imagining in his mind the delicious taste of the mangoes, suddenly discovered that they were all gone, completely finished! And not only that, but the branches and leaves had been thoroughly thrashed and scattered.

The king, quite disappointed and upset, then noticed another mango tree nearby with its leaves and branches still intact. He wondered why. He then realized it was because that tree had no fruit. If a tree has no fruit nobody disturbs it and so its leaves and branches are not damaged. This lesson kept him absorbed in thought all the way back to the palace: ''It is unpleasant, troublesome and difficult to be a king. It requires constant concern for all his subjects. What if there are attempts to attack, plunder and seize parts of his kingdom?'' He could not rest peacefully; even in his sleep he was disturbed by dreams.

He saw in his mind, once again, the mango tree without fruit and its undamaged leaves and branches. ''If we become similar to that mango tree'', he thought, ''our ''leaves'' and ''branches'', too, would not be damaged''.

In his chamber he sat and meditated. Finally, he decided to ordain as a monk, having been inspired by this lesson of the mango tree. He compared himself to that mango tree and concluded that if one didn't become involved in the ways of the world, one would be truly independent, free from worries or difficulties. The mind would be untroubled. Reflecting thus, he ordained.

From then on, wherever he went, when asked who his teacher was, he would answer, ''A mango tree''. He didn't need to receive teaching all that much. A mango tree was the cause of his Awakening to the Opanayiko-Dhamma, the teaching leading inwards. And with this Awakening, he became a monk, one who has few concerns, is content with little, and who delights in solitude. His royal status given up, his mind was finally at peace.

In this story the Buddha was a Bodhisatta who developed his practice in this way continuously. Like the Buddha as King Mahajanaka, we, too, should look around us and be observant because everything in the world is ready to teach us.

With even a little intuitive wisdom, we will then be able to see clearly through the ways of the world. We will come to understand that everything in the world is a teacher. Trees and vines, for example, can all reveal the true nature of reality. With wisdom there is no need to question anyone, no need to study. We can learn from nature enough to be enlightened, as in the story of King Mahajanaka, because everything follows the way of truth. It does not diverge from truth.

Associated with wisdom are self-composure and restraint which, in turn, can lead to further insight into the ways of nature.

In the same way, everything is Dhamma. Not only the things we see with our physical eye, but also the things we see in our minds. A thought arises, then changes and passes away. It is ''nāma dhamma'', simply a mental impression that arises and passes away. This is the real nature of the mind. Altogether, this is the noble truth of Dhamma. If one doesn't look and observe in this way, one doesn't really see! If one does see, one will have the wisdom to listen to the Dhamma as proclaimed by the Buddha.

(Ajahn Chah)

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