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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Discussion thread
« on: October 19, 2012, 06:53:33 PM »
       :) What I am saying is the person had really wonderful devotion, all the signs of a devotee ... tears, horripulation, shivering and even some times he used to lose consciousness in devotion. But he has not the least sense control.
no sense control!
in moments of devotion you will be astonished.
now tell me sir! how can he have no sense control with such deep devotion ?

Sri Tushnim,

See, who is it that is interpreting all these? Secondly, do you want to retain the the ego to control your senses?

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Discussion thread
« on: October 19, 2012, 06:45:27 PM »
Sri Tushnim,

such a person does not exist to see if mood comes and passes away! The one who gives importance or non-importance has to die and make place for the Lord to take over.

I am not really getting what you are asking about the incident you have quoted, 2001 incident. Always it is best to quote the references from authentic sources, such as scriptures, we need not really study others. Or we take for instance Sri Bhagavan or Sri Ramakrishna or Sri Shirdi Sai Baba, etc... This is right standard for our study!

General topics / Re: Bhajana Dhyana
« on: October 19, 2012, 06:34:57 PM »

I humbly request you to kindly reserve discussions in any of the discussion thread :) we can strive to maintain sanctity of certain topics untouched with our ramblings :)

so sorry, but it would be nice for all of us :)

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Discussion thread
« on: October 19, 2012, 06:31:39 PM »
Sri Tushnim,

Dear Nagaraj,
        shedding tears just happens ...when it happens it happens, when it does not happen it does not happen.
 it is just another happening !

The one that remains to witness this, has to dissolve, till it is incapable of concluding, this happened, that happened, this train moved, that train came, and so on. Only then can the ambrosia be churned!

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Discussion thread
« on: October 19, 2012, 06:29:41 PM »

yes, we are truly illiterates. what do we know?

यो रुद्रौ अग्नौ यो अप्सु य
ओषधीषु यो रुद्रो विश्वा भुवना विवेश
तस्मै रुद्राय नमो अस्तु ॥

yO rudrau agnau yO apsu ya
OShadhIShu yO rudrO vidhvA bhuvanA vivEsha
tasmai rudrAya namO astu

Let our salutations be offered to that Rudra,
Who is in fire,
Who is in water,
Who is in plants and trees,
And who is in everything in the world.

(sri rudram)

General topics / Re: Bhajana Dhyana
« on: October 19, 2012, 06:11:43 PM »
Sri Tushnim,

yes, all truly realised saints, have shed loads of tears in bhakti. we can just remember any one saint, and there cannot be a saint who is not a bhaktA, they all have unabashadly shed tears of bhakti!

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Discussion thread
« on: October 19, 2012, 06:07:38 PM »
Dear Sri Tushnim,

yes, i get your intention. :) (no worries)

Every mood is the mood of Lord devotion, when you are angry, its the mood of kamsA, when you are desperate, despondent, it is the mood gOpikas, and so on... when you worship, worship with hope that we could worship like bhArati theertha swAmiji, when listening striving to listen like Bhagavan whose eyes used to become moist at the instance of listening to stories of kannapA, once he asked how the pravachkAs are able to talk on Sri Rama and remain unmoved and keep their eyes without tears. When it seems what is this life, a feeling of disgust, kunti appears who asked a boon from kRushna to keep giving her difficulties!  sarvam vishnu mayam jagat!

life is beautiful, Sri Tushnim, life is beautiful! Everything is perfect and beautiful as it is, with all its ups and downs, good ness and badness, angels and the evils, as it is...

Sri Subramanian Sir,

yes, if we are able to taste the rasa of rAma nAmA, what is mukti what is amukti ? who cares?

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Discussion thread
« on: October 19, 2012, 05:45:36 PM »
Sri Tushnim,

Thank you so much, but, my cup is already full, i am happy singing the glories of rAm, I would like to live with these vAsanAs of bhakti, i would always want Bhagavan to reatain those vAsanAS that enable me to remain his servant, i pray he keep my mind undissolved as i wish to remain an ignorant, where by, i can soak myself of His grace.

I actually seem to enjoy my ignorance... :) contrarily

General topics / Ram Ram Ram...
« on: October 19, 2012, 05:36:25 PM »

प्रेम मुदित मन से कहो, राम, राम, राम .
राम, राम, राम, श्री राम, राम, राम ..

पाप कटें, दुःख मिटें, लेत राम नाम .
भव समुद्र, सुखद नाव, एक राम नाम ..
राम, राम, राम, श्री राम, राम, राम ..

परम शांति, सुख निधान, दिव्य राम नाम .
निराधार को आधार, एक राम नाम ..
राम, राम, राम, श्री राम, राम, राम ..

परम गोप्य, परम इष्ट, मंत्र राम नाम .
पाप कटत, मुक्त करत, एक राम नाम ..
राम, राम, राम, श्री राम, राम, राम ..

महादेव सतत जपत, नित्य राम नाम .
संत हृदय सदा बसत, एक राम नाम ..
राम, राम, राम, श्री राम, राम, राम ..

मात पिता, बंधु सखा, सबहि राम नाम .
भक्त जनन, जीवन धन, एक राम नाम ..
राम, राम, राम, श्री राम, राम, राम ..

Recite the name of Lord Rama
with the heart and mind
full of love and devotion.

Reciting the name of Lord Rama
frees from sins and miseries
and helps to cross the ocean
of life and death (samsara).

So powerful is Lord Rama's name
that it brings eternal peace and bliss
and is the only support of those
who have no support.

So loving and so divine is Lord Rama's
name that sages and saints
always have only Lord Rama's
name in their hearts.

O Lord Rama! Thou art my mother, father,
relation, friend, everything and all.

The only life-long treasure
of the devotee is Thy name.
Chant the mantra
'Rama Rama Ram'.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 19, 2012, 05:23:34 PM »
आत्मा त्वं गिरिजा मतिः परिजनाः प्राणाः शरीरं गृहम्
पूजा ते विषयोपभोग रचना निद्रा समाधिस्थितिः ।
सञ्चारः पदयोः प्रदक्षिण विधिः स्तोत्राणि सर्वा गिरः
यद्यत् कर्म करोमि तत्तदखिलं शंभोः तवाराधनम् ॥

AtmA tvam girijA matih parijanAh prANAh sharIram gRuham
pUjA te viShayOpabhOga racanA nidrA samAdhisthitih
sancArah padayOh pradakShiNa vidhih stOtrANi sarvA girah
yadyat karma karOmi tattadakhilam shambhO tavArAdhanam

Thou art my Atman, my budDhi is Thy consort, my prANAs are Thy attendants my body is Thy temple, the way in which I enjoy the things of the sense is Thy worship, my sleep is the state of contemplating Thee in samAdhi, my wanderings are circumambulation (pradakShiNA) of Thee, All that I talk is in praise of Thee, whatever I do all that is worship of Thee, O' shambu.

(shiva mAnasa pUjA, Adi Shankara)

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Comments
« on: October 19, 2012, 05:11:20 PM »
Sri Swayam,

Dear Balaji

Thanks for sharing this. All Mahatmas time and again tell the same thing - staying humble and I wonder how often i remember this.
Just read few things about few Mahatmas gives me a feeling as if I know 'something'. This anecdote reminds me how much more I have to learn and unlearn. Bhagavan's heart melts at any small instance of pure , motive less bhakthi or adoration or love. They don't miss any such instance however small it may appear to us and help uplift the person/animal. No words to express HIS love. Can't type more as Iam in office now.Thanks again for sharing this

request you to kindly post your comments in this thread, as it will remain orderly and systematic :)

Thank you,

with prayers,

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Discussion thread
« on: October 19, 2012, 05:08:19 PM »
Subramanian Sir,

Yes. If we genuinely know as to how to remain Still, summa iruthal, no Sadhana is required. We are doing all sadhanas because
we are not capable of remaining Still.

absolutely correct Sir, hence, it makes it quite logical that we engage our eyes, limbs mind, and so on in the worship of the Lord and his glories, it is important to adhere to the anuShTAnAs, with greater fervor.

We all have not attained citta shudDhi (mental purification) so as to remain still. We have to do our karmAs as ordained in the scriptures.

Infact, even the Self enquiry that we do, is too little, the majority of vichAra is just analytics, true Self Enquiry is that which is truly

நானுதியா துள்ளநிலை நாமதுவ யுள்ளநிலை

That we are, when ā€˜Iā€™ has not arisen.

All that we talk is only it is this, it is that, it is not this, it is not that and so on... where is enquiry? this is not Self Enquiry!

Which is why Sri Bhagavan in the form of Sri Ramakrishna said that if 'I' has to remain let it remain as a "Servant I" and instead of engaging ourselves in mere speculations, it is so much more good, if we utter the name of rAmA, kRushnA, gOvindA or engage in service of God, doing dhArmic work that pleases the God or engage in Bhajans, Puja, Worship and so on.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Our Natural State
« on: October 19, 2012, 04:45:34 PM »
Our Natural State

Pilgrim: You have said here that you know no such period of sAdhanA; you never performed japA or chanted any mantrA; you were in your natural state. I have no done any sAdhanA worth the name. can I say that I am in my natural state? But my natural state is no different from yours. Does that mean that the natural state of ordinary persons and realised persons are different?

Sri Bhagavan: What you think to be your natural state is your unnatural state/ (And this was my second chock that shook me from the slumber of my pet notions). With your intellect and imagination you have constructed the castles of your pet notions and desires. But do you know who has built up these castles, who is the culprit, the real owner? The 'I' who really owns them and the 'I' of your conception are quite different.  Is it necessary that you put forth some effort to come into the 'I' who owns these, the 'I' behind all states?

Would you have to walk any distance to walk into the 'I' that is always you? This is what I mean by saying that no sAdhanA is required for Self-Realisation. All that is required is to refrain from doing anything, by remaining still and being simply what one really is. You have only to dehypnotise yourself of your unnatural state. Then you have asked whether there is any difference between the natural state of ordinary persons and realised persons. What have they realised? They can realise only that is real in them. What is real in them is real in you also. SO where is the difference?

Even then, some may ask, where is the conviction that one's Self is sAkshAt all right, that no sAdhanA is required at all for Self - Realization? Well, do you need anybody to come and convince you that you are seated before me and talking to me? You know for certain that you are seated here and talking to me.

When we read a book, for instance, we read the letters on the page. But can we say that we are reading only the letters? Without the page of the book where are the letters. Again we say that we are seeing the picture projected on a canvas. No doubt we are seeing the picture, but without the canvas where is the picture?

You can doubt and question everything but how can you doubt the 'I' that questions everything. That 'I' is your natural state. Would you have to labour or do sAdhanA to come into this natural state?

(The author of this article is unknown but the incident must have taken place some time after 1946)

(A Pilgrim, ARBOG-VI)

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / guru kRupA
« on: October 19, 2012, 04:29:03 PM »
Spiritual significance guru kRupA

The guru is both 'external' and 'internal'. From the exterior He gives a push to the mind to turn inward; from the 'interior' He pulls the mind towards the Self and helps in the quieting of the mind. That is guru kRupA.

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