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General Discussion / aikyAnusandhAnam - Procedure
« on: October 26, 2012, 10:32:41 AM »
9. aikyAnusandhAnam

ऐक्यानुसन्धानम् - inquiry/contemplation on the grand truth of the oneness/harmony of the jIvAtmA and paramAtmA (individual and the Supreme Soul)

chanting the below given mantrA, praying to the effulgence of pure intelligence that is worshiped in the form of Sun, deeply engage in contemplation the mahAvAkyA "brahmaivAhamasmi" That brahman am I.

असावादित्यो ब्रह्मा । ब्रह्मैवाहमस्मि ॥

asAvAdityO brahma . brahmaivAhamasmi ..

meaning: That Sun(effulgence of pure intelligence) is the brahman . That brahman am I .

Commence dhyAnam (meditation). It is advised to spend few minutes at least on the conclusion of this step about the non-difference between the jIvAtmA and paramAtmA (anusandhAnam - inquiry). One may remember the teachings of Bhagavan, etc., as this steps is said to be the life line of sandhyA vandanam.

General Discussion / Re: sandhyA vandanam - Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 08:51:07 PM »
Just to update that the arghya pradAnam procedure has been updated, that it may not be overlooked.

Thank you

with prayers

General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 08:36:20 PM »
Dear Sir,

yes, vAsanAs will efface out completely, not only by serious persuasion of Self Inquiry alone, any sAdhanA pursued with utmost sincerity will result in the effacement the ego, giving into it completely and wholeheartedly!

I believe, somewhere we have to accept the yatArthA, that we want to enjoy this human life to some extant. We should not deny ourselves our living, in the name of Realisation. The haTa yogA is all about forcing oneself, the very word hatA means the use of persistence or force in order to achieve an end.

We have to sail calmly and smoothly, we should at least free ourselves from this urgency to realise. Somewhere we came across, that Enlightenment can wait, yes, let it wait! Infact wait it out completely that it runs out of patience to come to us :)

General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 07:43:04 PM »
Awareness does not keep changing : agitated, pure etc.
Awareness is ever pure!
Otherwise one cannot say chideva manasah parah... awareness beyond mind! [ribhu gita]
it becomes mind!

Awareness does not change, but when when you cover the awareness or Self with various sheeths, then it takes various forms!

Self is changeless.
Mind is all changes.
how is Self mind ?
Self does not have any change!

The Self does not change, the same gold is made into a jewelry form and we take it to be a ring or necklace and cease from forgetting the reality of substratum, that it is mere Gold! Gold only has become various jewels. In the same way, Self gone outwards is mind like the king - beggar example! He has ever remained a king, yet he had become a beggar! Gold. cotton always as been gold and cotton, yet it became different jewelry and different garments.

Vasanas cannot be plucked unless they come out. When they come out...non-identification kills them

Mere non-identification will not be enough, the repeated appearances of vAsanAs are a proof of this! One has to discern, to the extant that one ceases from getting scared from a ghost pole (the problem is, since we have over used these examples such as ghost pole illustrations, they are not really having real impact on the true import)

one has to wake from sleep in order to end the dream! and waking up does not happen only by mere knowledge that i have quoted here.

General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 07:29:01 PM »
If going to the roots of vAsanAs is difficult there is another indirect way, that is the path of Bhakti.
Bhakti is a way by means of which one can transcend all the vAsanAs into one's advantage. Your lust becomes your love. your desires becomes your worship, and so on!

General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 07:25:38 PM »
Sri Tushnim,

I think even previously in a similar conversation, i pointed that you are mixing up lashyArtha (end goal) with yatArthA (what is real [now])

There is no difference (between the mind and self) . The mind turned inwards is the Self; turned outwards, it becomes the ego and all the world. Cotton made into various clothes we call by various names. Gold made into various ornaments, we call by various names. But all the clothes are cotton and all the ornaments gold. The one is real, the many aremere names and forms.

But the mind does no exist apart from the Self, that is, it has no independent existence. The Self exists without the mind, never the mind without the Self.

myself and yourself is there as much as in a dream !

Sir Please see... what I am trying to claim is not that "I am Liberated"... thats not any intention.
there are vasanas.

question is ... when i feel bound by vasanas... who is this "I" ?
Is Awareness getting affected?

The Self gone outward is mind, the same self is projected as mind. Yes awareness is affected as the Self is not in abidance the moment there is some vAsanA generated.

when mind is calm... has awareness gained calmness ?
when mind is agitated ... has awareness become agitated ?

Nobody questions whene one is calm. when Mind is agitated, then yes, Awareness has become agitated as the awareness is no more pure, it is camouflaged with dirts of vAsanAs. There is no time separate awareness to say that the awareness is not agitated, the awareness or Self is now in mind form, filled with dirt! When agitated there is loss of Self or awareness. You may jump to and forth becoming aware of the situation, but it is not a niShtA. It is disturbance and repeated effort is made to cease from going outwards.

can we "re-educate" the mind exactly when it says "i am angry" that "I am awareness that is neither angry nor calm" ?
Thats the question sir.

"Re-educating" at that moment when mind claims "i am happy or i am full of sorrow" that "I Am awareness and have nothing to do with mind" ... thats what i am talking about.
the need for reeducation is there because the education "I am awareness" is incomplete and mere "thought" for most of us. so it needs to be taken inside and has to get deeper. Thats why a Ribhu gita is important.

Yes, any way of re-educating is good, but, it depends on the extent of strangle hold of vAsanAs, when it is too strong, mere re-educating wont suffice, as it is bound to re-appear again, re-educating slowly and slowly only is possible, untill the root of that vAsanAs is plucked out completely, when anger (or any other vAsanA) would not surface at all. That is the lakshyArtA.

if anger keeps coming, if lust keeps coming, if desire keeps coming and one keeps repeatedly re-educating oneself again and again without striving to go to the root of the vAsanAs and completely destroy it with proper vichArA, there is no use.

Just re-educating again and again served only temporary purpose. The root has to be plucked! That is the solution, as far as I have understood the teachings of Bhagavan.

General Discussion / Common Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 07:04:36 PM »
Common discussion thread. Sri Tushnim, kindly request you to continue the discussion here.

General Discussion / Re: sandhyA vandanam - Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 06:59:07 PM »
so are you and everyone here.
There being only awareness where is the question of bondage and for whom ?
just a projection.

Where is the question of "myself and everyone" for one who is oneself "pure awareness"?


General Discussion / Re: sandhyA vandanam - Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 06:54:24 PM »
:) there is no bondage or liberation. I am Awareness.

you are liberated!

General Discussion / Re: sandhyA vandanam - Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 06:48:35 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,
       :) There is no dirt in Awareness :)
who said there is dirt in awareenss sir?

i am impelled to ask, do you consider yourself liberated?

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 25, 2012, 06:47:03 PM »
मुक्तेर्हेतून्वक्ति साक्षाच्छ्रुतेर्गीः ।
यो वा एतेष्वेव तिष्ठत्यमुष्य​
मोक्षोऽविद्याकल्पिताद्देहबन्धात् ॥४६॥

mukterhEtUnvakti sAkShAcCrutErgIh .
yO vA etEShvEva tiShTatyamuShya
mOkShOavidyAkalpitAddEhabandhAt ..

Faith, devotion and the practice of meditation - these are declared in the scriptures as the chief factors that help a seeker to attain liberation. Whoever pursues these is liberated from the bondage of the body mysteriously forge by spiritual ignorance.

General Discussion / Re: sandhyA vandanam - Discussion
« on: October 25, 2012, 06:45:17 PM »

What blocks one from brahma-atma-aikyam is nescience is it not? how to help oneself in purification of ones chittA? it is through nishkAmya karmA.

You are not doing karmA for being led to any goal such as mOkshA, it is done to only purify one chittA which is camoflaged with various dirts  such as kAmakrOdAdhi desires etc...

simply saying -

cidevaham manasah param : I am Awareness which is beyond mind!

will not do! what is the use of knowledge of brahma-atma-aikyam without the annihilation of dirts within?

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Our Bhagavan-Comments
« on: October 25, 2012, 05:51:33 PM »

:D truly monkeys must be better than ourselves, we have all become too much intelligent for Atma vidyA :D

durgA sUktam

जा॒तवे॑दसे सुनवाम॒ सोम॑मरातीय॒तो निद॑हाति॒ वेदः॑ ।
स नः॑ पर्ष॒दति॑ दु॒र्गाणि॒ विश्वा॑ ना॒वेव॒ सिन्धुं॑ दुरि॒तात्य॒ग्निः ॥

jAtavEdasE sunavAma sOmamarAtIyatO nidahAti vEdah .
sa nah parShadati durgANi vishvA nAvEva sindhun duritAtyagnih .. (1)

O' jAtavEdas (that which gave birth to vEdAs), may we offer Thou oblations of sOmA juice (the product or essence of bhakti, jnyAna rasa) through the fire of vEdA (knowledge) May Thou be pleased to destroy/burn those that are unfriendly (vAsanAs) to us. Help us to cross the sea of difficulties (samsArA) us by a boat (of Thy grace) and save us and take across to the beyond, from wrongs (having done)

Prayer to Lord saying, O' Lord, I am offering my pure and sincere sAdhanA at Thou holy feet, please be pleased and burn all our sins and help us cross over the ocean of samsAra through the boat of your grace and protect us from all wrong doins.

Note: Translations, re interpreted from various books, upon reflection. Kindly feel free to point out any corrections. Thank you.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 25, 2012, 05:05:52 PM »
भवाब्धावपारे महादुःखभीरु
पपात प्रकामी प्रलोभी प्रमत्तः ।
कुसंसारपाशप्रबद्धः सदाहं
गतिस्त्वं गतिस्त्वं त्वमेका भवानि ॥२॥

bhAvabdhavapArE mahA dhukhabhIru
papAta prakAmI , pralObhI pramatta
kusamsAra pAsha prabadDha sadAham
gatistvam gatistvam tvamEkA bhavAni

I am in this ocean of birth and death,
I am a coward, who dare not face sorrow,
I am filled with lust and sin,
I am filled with greed and desire,
And tied I am, by the this useless life that I lead,
So you are my refuge and my only refuge, Bhavani.

(bhavAni aShtakam, Adi shankarA)

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