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2356
Sri Ravi, yes, Guru's grace and intervention is inevitable! How closely did Bhagavan groom Sri Annamalai Swami, so subtly he admonishes the aham BhAvam in devotees, in the life of Muruganar we can see so many instances where Bhagavan so subtly grooms him. And the Devotee should be fit and sharp enough to even absorb such a subtle teaching and pointer. Hence always the deserving attain their goal. Hence we have to make ourselves deserving.

Uddharet Atmana Atmanam Natmanam Avasadayet
Atmaiva Hyatmano Bandhuratmaiva Ripuratmanah.

"Let a man raise himself by himself, let him not lower himself; for he alone is the friend of himself, he alone is the enemy of himself."

God Helps those who helps themselves.

sUkShma ahankAra that is so very subtle, can only thus get crushed, when the spirit of the disciple is thus:

tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā

Striving to learn the truth by approaching the master. Inquire from him submissively and by rendering service unto him.

IN the context of the above verse, readers may be interested to read the following upadesa of Shirdi Sai Baba:

http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7164.msg34008#msg34008


2357
General topics / Re: Lord Ram was for real
« on: November 21, 2012, 12:00:44 PM »
Real - meaning changes from the plane, which we see. From ordinary plane of existence, Lord Rama was real means, he existed in flesh and blood like us and also died like everybody. In more deeper, Bhakti and Jnana plane Rama is Real means, He is ever existent God, who is invoked and worshiped and his glory is praised as He is Real. In even deeper plane of Jnana, intense Bhakti, Rama is Real means Rama is the Satyam, He is the Self, and all the quotes that we over use here ;) about Atma Brahman and so on.

my thoughts!


2358
Sri Ravi,

incidently, even Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj's method was perhaps the same as Sri Annamalai Swami. He just obediently followed his Guru Sri Nithyananda's advice to be with "I am" and as he has said in 2 years or 3 years  ??  it had become sahaja nishta for him.

Ultimately, everybody has to reach the same, jnana is all fine, ultimately, what matters is whether one has transcended the Vasanas. That is the end matter.

Jnana without winning over Vasanas is like a flower bud, but Jnana with winnig over Vasanas is a blossomed flower.

That is the main point, which we why we can see so many speakers on the subject of Atma, but have they all blossomed fully? only oneself can say! One has to be brutally honest with oneself.

slightly changed the below quote:

"we may fool all the people some of the time; we can even fool some of the people all the time; we may even fool all of the people all the time, but we can never fool our own selves all the time"

It is very subtle that we can get confused with Truth and Fact. There is a subtle difference between the two, only if we are brutally true to ourselves we may be able to make the next step.


2359
Sri Tushnim,

The pure mind attains jnana, which is what is meant by salvation. So, eventually jnana must be reached, i.e., the ego must be traced to its source. But to those to whom this does not appeal, we have to say sat karmas lead to chitta suddhi, and chitta suddhi will lead to right knowledge or jnana, and that in its turn gives salvation.

(Day by Day)

It depends on the maturity of the disciple. Gunpowder catches fire in an instant, while it takes time to ignite coal.

(From the books of Paul Brunton)


2360
Humour / Re: Zen Humour
« on: November 21, 2012, 10:40:51 AM »
A humour that is being circulated in a corporate world:



Theorem :

The less u know, The more money u'll make ..!!


2361
General Discussion / Re: Christian quotes
« on: November 21, 2012, 10:25:33 AM »

I will surely consume them, saith the LORD

there shall be no grapes on the vine,
nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaf shall fade;
and the things that I have given them shall
pass away from them.


(Jeremiah)


2362
General topics / Re: Lord Ram was for real
« on: November 21, 2012, 10:11:50 AM »
Here is the horoscope of Sri Rama as given in Valmiki Ramayana:

On completion of the ritual six seasons have passed by and then in the twelfth month, on the ninth day of chaitra month [April-May,] when the presiding deity of ruling star of the day is Aditi, where the ruling star of day is punarvasu, the asterism is in the ascendant, and when five of the nine planets viz., Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, and Venus are at their highest position, when Jupiter with Moon is ascendant in Cancer, and when day is advancing, then Queen Kausalya gave birth to a son with all the divine attributes like lotus-red eyes, lengthy arms, roseate lips, voice like drumbeat, and who took birth to delight the Ikshwaku dynasty, who is adored by all the worlds, and who is the greatly blessed epitome of Vishnu, namely Rama. [1-18-8, 9, 10, 11]


2363
I agree. After all questioning, there comes a stage, where Who am I? becomes an answerless question.  Then 'idam' disappears
and 'tat' appears which is unanalyzable.

Even the one that remains to see the answer-less question merges, there is neither question nor answer, just Self Presence, swa-prakAsha - Self Illuminating, which is both the drik and drishya - seer and seen.

As Bhagavan as said, "I saw the seer disappearing and That alone which stands for ever. No thought arose to say "I saw". How then could the thought arise to say "I did not see?" Who has the power to explain all this in words, when even You (as Dakshinamurti) conveyed this of yore in silence only?"

nAnudiyAdulla nilai, nAm aduvAyulla nilai - 'That’ we are, when ‘I’ has not arisen.

As jnyAnEshwar says, the question and answer, that is knowledge and ignorance die together -

Both the husband
And the wife lose their lives
When each cuts off the other’s head.

knowledge too does not remain, like the campher analogy, burns itself out and leaves absolutely no trace of anything.


2364
General Discussion / Re: Christian quotes
« on: November 21, 2012, 09:54:51 AM »

Stand in awe, and sin not:
commune with your own heart
upon your bed, and
be still.


(Psalms)


2365
General Discussion / gAyatrI AvAhanam - Procedure
« on: November 21, 2012, 09:39:24 AM »
6. gAyatrI AvAhanam 

॥ गायत्री आवाहनम् ॥

आयात्विति-अनुवाकस्य वामदेव ऋषिः ।

AyAthvithi anuvAkasya vAmadEva RuShih .
- touch the right hand palm on the head

अनुष्टुप् छ्न्दः ।

anuShtup Candah .
- bring your right hand fingers near your mouth

गायत्री देवता ।

gAyathrI dEvatA .
- touch both your hands on your bosom

Posing the AvAhana mudra as given below (pic) chant the below given mantra:

Place the edges of the little fingers together with the palms facing up in front of the heart region. rest the thumb gently into the base of the ring finger.



आया॑तु॒ वर॑दा दे॒वी॒ अ॒क्षरं॑ ब्र॑ह्म॒संमि॑तम् ।
गा॒य॒त्रीं॑॑ छन्द॑सां मा॒तेदं ब्र॑ह्म जु॒षस्व॑ मे ॥


AyAthu varadhA dEvI akSharam brahmasammitam .
gAyathrIm CandasAm mAthEdham brahma suShasva mE ..

ओजो॑ऽसि॒ सहो॑ऽसि॒ बल॑मसि॒ भ्राजो॑सि॒ दे॒वानां॒ धाम॒नामा॑सि॒
विश्व॑मसि वि॒श्वायुः सर्व॑मसि स॒र्वायुरभिभूरों
गायत्रीमावा॑हया॒मि॒ सवित्रीमावा॑हया॒मि॒ सरस्वतीमावा॑हया॒मि ॥


OjOasi sahOasi balamasi BrajOasi dEvAnAm DhAmanAmAsi
vishvamasi vishvAyuh sarvamasi sarvAyuraBiBUrOm
gAyathrImAvAhayAmi svitrImAvAhayAmi sarasvathImAvAhayAmi ..




We will see the brief meanings later in the discussion thread.


2366
Sri Ravi,

Thanks so much, for sharing your joy.


2367
நானுதிக்குந் தானமதை நாடாம  - னானுதியாத்
தன்னிழப்பைச் சார்வதெவன் சாராமற் றானதுவாந்
தன்னிலையி னிற்பதெவன் சாற்று

         Naannnudikkun Daannnamadai Naattaama Nnnaannnutiyaat
Tannnnnnizhappaic Caarvadevannn Saaraamarr Rraannnatuvaan
Tannnnnnilaiyi Nnnirrpadevannn Saarrrru



Unless one scrutinizes the source (the real Self) from which ‘I’ rises,
how to attain the destruction of the (individual) self
(the state of egolessness), in which ‘I’ does not rise? (And)
unless one attains (that non-rising of ‘I’), say, how to abide
in one’s own (real) state (the natural state of Self), in which
one is That?

Without searching whence the ‘I’ arises,
how to attain the self-extinction where
no ‘I’ arises? Without attaining self-extinction,
how to stay in one’s true state where the Self is ‘That’?


(ulladu nArpadu)


2368
வைத்தநை வாளா வையகத்து உய்யும்
வழியறி மதிஅழித்து இங்ஙன்
வைத்திடில் ஆர்க்கும் இன்பிலை துன்பெ
வாழ்விதிற் சாவதெ மாண்பாம்
பைத்தியம் பற்றிப் பயனறும் எனக்குன்
பதமுறும் அருமருந்து aருள்வாய்
பைத்திய மருந்தாப் பார்ஒளிர் aருண
பருப்பத உருப்பெறு பரனெ


Vaittanai Vaallaa Vaiyagattu Uyyum
Vazhiyarri Madiazhittu Ingngannn
Vaittittil Aarkkum Innnpilai Tunnnpe
Vaazhvitirr Saavade Maannpaam
Paittiyam Parrrrip Payannnarrum Ennnakkunnn
Padamurrum Arumarundu Arullvaay
Paittiya Marundaap Paarollir Arunna
Paruppata Urupperru Parannne



Having destroyed (in me) the intelligence to know the way of making a living in the world, You have made (me) worthless. If You keep (me) thus (in this condition), it will not be happiness for anyone (for me, for You or for the world) but only misery. Death indeed is better than this (kind of) life. O supreme who have taken the form of Aruna Hill, which shines on earth as the medicine for the madness (of desire for the world) ! Graciously bestow upon me who, (in spite of) being possessed by the madness (of love for You), am deprived of the fruit (of Jnana), the rare medicine (of your grace) which will unite (me) with your Feet (that is, which will make me one with your supreme state of Self).

Destroying in me all thought of making a living in the world, you have turned me into a worthless wastrel. If you leave me in this stage, I can only be miserable and unhappy. Death would be better than this kind of life. Supreme Being embodied in Aruna Hill and shining in the world as the cure for madness, grant me, mad and worthless, the sovereign medicine of clinging to your Feet.


(padigam Decad)


2369
       
தலைவநின் தன்மை என்னஎன் பார்க்குத்
தலைகுனி சிலையென வைத்தாய்


talaivanin tanmai ennayen bArk-kut
talai guni silai yena vaittAi


O Lord! (in reply) to those who ask (me) what
Your (real) nature is, You have made (me remain) like a
head-bent statue (because the nature of God cannot be
expressed in words, being beyond the range of the mind,
speech and body).

when people ask me "What is your nature?"
you make me stand with head hung down,
a speechless statue!


(padigam, Decad)


2370
தண்ணார் அளிசெறி கண்ணா டொருகிறி
பண்ணா மாய்ந்திட ஒண்ணாதெ


tannAr alisEri kannA doru giri
pannA denniru kannAlA



Without playing any trick (upon me),
look (at me) with (your) eyes,
which are full of cool (refreshing) compassion.

Turn your cool, bright glance of grace towards me,
O beloved Eye of my twin eyes. Do not play some trick on me


(navamaNi mAlai)


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