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The conclusion is that all experiences in
the enlightened as well as the ignorant state,
which may be described by newer and newer words,
are opposed to one's real nature.

(Spiritual Instructions)


there is no doubt that all realized persons uniformly
see neither bondage nor Liberation
so far as the true Self is concerned.

(Spiritual Instructions)


Only one who is free from all the latent tendencies (vasanas) is a Sage.

(Spiritual Instructions)

General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: November 24, 2012, 06:41:07 AM »

God laughs on two occasions. He laughs when the physician says to the patient's mother,
'Don't be afraid, mother; I shall certainly cure your boy.' God laughs, saying to Himself,
'I am going to take his life, and this man says he will save it!'
The physician thinks he is the master, forgetting that God is the Master.
God laughs again when two brothers divide their land with a string, saying to each other,
'This side is mine and that side is your'. He laughs and says to Himself,
'The whole universe belongs to Me, but they say they own this portion or that portion.'

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

General topics / Re: As written at PRASANTHI NILAYAM
« on: November 24, 2012, 06:26:07 AM »
Sir yes, good and bad are always mixed, where-ever there was rama there was ravana, where there was krishna there was kamsa, where prahlAd was, hiranyakasipu was. i have always believed in the following spirit -

आ नो भद्राः क्रतवो यन्तु विश्वतः
A no bhadraaH kratavo yantu vishvataH

(Let good (thoughts) come from everywhere, from all the world)

more on vAsanAs

[Khanna] handed Bhagavan a piece of paper on which he had written something. After reading it Bhagavan said,

‘It is a complaint. He says, “I have been coming to you and this time I have remained nearly a month at your feet and I find no improvement at all in my condition. My vasanas are as strong as ever. When I go back, my friends will laugh at me and ask what good my stay here has done.” Then, turning to Khanna, Bhagavan said, ‘Why distress your mind by thinking that jnana has not come or that the vasanas have not disappeared? Don’t give room for thoughts. In the last stanza of ‘Sukavari’ in Thayumanavar the saint says much the same as is written on this paper.’ And Bhagavan made me read the stanza and translate it into English for the benefit of those who did not know Tamil. It goes: ‘The mind mocks me, and though I tell you ten thousand times, you are indifferent, so how am I to attain peace and bliss?’

In the first half of the ‘Sukavari’ verse the mind of Thayumanavar is complaining to its jiva, its spirit or soul, about the division that has sprung up between them.

(1)‘Like yourself [the jiva] who are spirit, have not I, the mind,
and my friend, the prana, always dwelt within the body?
Long ago someone or other separated us,
designating us as “insentient” and yourself as “sentient”.
From the day you heard that, right up to the present day,
you have unjustly erected a barrier between us and suppressed us,
exercising your oppressive rule. What a great task you have accomplished,
right before our eyes!’
(2)When my foolish mind thus grossly abuses me,
my heart is scorched and blackened,
like beeswax exposed to a leaping flame!
Can this be right and proper?
Though I have called upon You [God] ten thousand times,
you have not taken pity on me, and bestowed your grace.
Henceforth, how may happiness ever come to me? Speak!
Supreme Godhead,
pure and devoid of all attributes!
Supernal Light! Ocean of bliss!

Then I [Devaraja Mudaliar] said to Khanna: ‘You are not the only one who complains to Bhagavan like this. I have more than once complained in the same way, and I still do, for I find no improvement in myself.’
Khanna replied: ‘It is not only that I find no improvement but I think I have grown worse. The vasanas are stronger now. I can’t understand it.’

Bhagavan again quoted the last three stanzas of ‘Mandalattin’ of Thayumanavar, where the mind is coaxed as the most generous and disinterested of givers, to go back to its birthplace or source and thus give the devotee peace and bliss, and he asked me to read out a translation that I had once made

(1)Mind, you who evolve from maya
as jewels are wrought from gold!
If you are freed from your defects
so that blissful samadhi is attained
by meditating on [reality] within oneself
as oneself, by melting within,
and by making [you] fall away,
I shall attain redemption.
No one is as kind to me as you are – no one.
When I ponder on this, you [the mind]
are equal to the grace of God.

(2)Amongst those who have taken on bodies
to experience the [the world],
be they Brahma, or any of the gods,
it is true, is it not,
that for any of them to reject you [the mind],
and exist without you,
is impossible, quite impossible.
Without you, can anything be,
in this world or the next?
To vainly label you ‘unreal’ is unjust.
So I shall praise you as ‘real’ also.
In order that my wretched state may be ended,
you must return to the glorious land of your birth.
(3)You who have been my companion
for many a day, were you to lie dead
through the enquiry [vichara]
that has separated you from me,
I should revere that ground with perfect devotion.
Through the mauna Guru who has ruled me
I will be free from ‘I’ and ‘mine’,
becoming one with his grace.
The eight siddhis, liberation itself,
which is a vision delightful to behold,
shall be mine upon the earth.
Through you my anxieties shall be ended.

(4)All my interminable wrangling
with birth will end in this very birth.
For me, the state of jivanmukti,
which is difficult for anyone to experience,
will arise.
Oh, Sir [mind]! Will even a cloud
or a grove of karpaka trees
suffice as a comparison to you?
Can your greatness be described
in the seven worlds, beginning with earth?

(Excerpts from "Bhagavan and Thayumanavar" - Robert Butler, T. V. Venkatasubramanian and David Godman)

General topics / Re: As written at PRASANTHI NILAYAM
« on: November 23, 2012, 01:37:46 PM »
Nice topic Sri Prashant. yes today is is Satya Sai Baba's birthday.

Sri Bhagavan clears confusion in a very profound way in the following conversation:

It is said that one should give up desire. But there are the needs of the body which are irrepressible. What is to be done?

M.: An aspirant must be equipped with three requisites:

(1) Ichcha;
(2) Bhakti; and
(3) Sraddha.

Ichcha means satisfaction of bodily wants without attachment to the body (such as hunger and thirst and evacuation). Unless it is done meditation cannot progress. Bhakti and Sraddha are already known.

D.: Well, Bhagavan, you said there are three requisites of which ichcha is the satisfaction of natural wants without attachment to the body, etc. I take food three or four times a day and attend to bodily wants so much so that I am oppressed by the body. Is there a state when I shall be disembodied so that I might be free from the scourge of bodily wants?

M.: It is the attachments (raga, dwesha) which are injurious. The action is not bad in itself. There is no harm in eating three or four times. But only do not say, “I want this kind of food and not that kind” and so on.

Moreover you take those meals in twelve hours of wakeful state whereas you are not eating in the hours of sleep. Does sleep lead you to mukti? It is wrong to suppose that simple inactivity leads one to mukti.

D.: How to attain the Self?
M.: Self is not to be attained because you are the Self.

D.: Yes. There is an unchanging Self and a changing one in me. There are two selves.
M.: The changefulness is mere thought. All thoughts arise after the arising of the ‘I-thought’. See to whom the thoughts arise. Then you transcend them and they subside. This is to say, tracing the source of the ‘I-thought’, you realise the perfect ‘I-I’. ‘I’ is the name of the Self.

Sri Tushnim,

Thank you, i feel already content with my relationship with God and reasoning. I also have the books of Sri Annamalai Swami, and regularly read it. I do not feel a need to strive myself to understand further over what truth reveals at various instances and teach.

You asked,

      :) that would have been the case if the readers have told me "we did not understand".
If I tell them "you did not understand" and they are thinking "we have understood" :) ... LOL! what do you want me to explain

At various instances I have noticed, when ever a question was asked to you, you conveniently avoided introspection by expressing as follows:

Harih Om!

I do not hold anything personal with you. All i request you as a friend is to follow the pulse of discussion with fair introspection. That is all.

I conclude myself with this.

General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: November 23, 2012, 10:35:10 AM »

He is the Master, and the universe and
all its living beings belong to Him'
that is Knowledge.

And, 'I am the doer',
'I am the guru', 'I am the father'
that is ignorance.

'This is my house; this is my family;
this is my wealth; these are my relatives'
this also is ignorance."

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

Sri Tushnim,

If you feel you are not understood then the onus rests on you to make yourself understood, as it is you who are communicating something, it is in the right decorum if you make yourself understood better, rather than demanding others to provide a summary of what you have been saying.

You may have excellent pointers, but if it lacks in its objective that is lucidity, you have to introspect on your communication, your choice of words and sentences.

That is communication which does not give raise to long lasting endless doubts.

my humble thoughts,

General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: November 23, 2012, 10:03:35 AM »

One who knows the Truth knows that it
is He alone who has become father and mother,
child and neighbour, man and animal, good and bad,
holy and unholy, and so forth.

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: November 23, 2012, 09:55:30 AM »

There is no difference between you
and your son. In one way you yourself
are reborn as your son.

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Light Post
« on: November 22, 2012, 02:43:40 PM »

Humour / Re: Zen Humour
« on: November 22, 2012, 02:05:31 PM »
Our HOPES should be like Hair & Nails. No matter how many times they get cut, they never stop growing.

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