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1861
General Discussion / Re: Christian quotes
« on: December 21, 2012, 05:26:12 PM »


There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear.

(1 John 4.18)


1862
General Discussion / Re: Christian quotes
« on: December 21, 2012, 05:15:21 PM »


I am the vine, ye [are] the
branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same
bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


(John 15.5)


1863
General Discussion / Re: Christian quotes
« on: December 21, 2012, 05:10:08 PM »


For I [am] the LORD, I change not

(Malachi 3.6)


1864
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 21, 2012, 04:16:48 PM »
Dear Friends,

I want to express that, in general, Sri Tushnim's expressions are not acceptable to me, they are primarily against the founding principles of Veda and the fundamental messages of the great saints. In my limited understanding, they do not conform to the Veda Shastras, even though here and there, some of his points may be found to be of help, over all, they do not seem acceptable to me. very subtly, he has been expressing some teachings that are not in the line of the teachings of Bhagavan Ramana or Sri Ramakrishna or Shirdi Sai Baba, and has been misrepresenting and misquoting the quotes of Adi Shankara at various instances.

Tushnim's expressions are a classic example of Neo-Advaitic school thoughts.

Some may be of the opinion that even through this way one can attain to the Truth. IT may be so, but i do not find it in conforming in the lines of Veda shastras.

He uses some of Sri Annamalai Swami's quotes here and there to justify his stands, but in such cases, Sri Annamalai Swami can say it, as he is saying so from a different place altogether. But I feel, some times his expressions are purely for swadhyaaya Self Study alone and not for sharing between disciples in quest for truth. Some times, the Guru may say some things that are completely against the tenets of Shastras, but the True Guru knows, he is the Guru, but we do not have any such authority, to do so. Infact, personally, the two books of Sri Annamalai swami, to me, is personal diary of Sri David Godman, which he has graciously published for the benefit of others. I have immensely benefited from the study of these books, but i never really took in to quoting from these books, in exchanges, because, it is one-to-one direct conversation of Sri David Godman and Sri Annamalai Swami. It is his upanishad. Some of the quotes of Sri Annamalai Swami too, do not find confirmation in Ramana literature, in my limited knowledge. But, Guru-Leela is beyond the scope of mind. I read, that Ramanashram has stopped selling the books on Sri Annamalai Swami (not sure). I felt it may be so because, it sort of was crating a parallel Guru, which the Ashram might have had reservation, this 'reservation' that they might have had, arises from the adhering to the tenets of Veda Shastras, it prevailed upon Clarity and for overall benefit of so many devotees who come for solace and not have them sent in confusion with parallel thoughts.

Somewhere i came across perhaps in David Godman website that Munagala Venkatrammaiah took his call and omitted certain quotations from his Talks with Bhagavan, because, he would have found them to be against the tenets of Vedas, what compassion and level of sensitivity it displayes on the part of Sri Munagala. This arises from adhering to the principles of Veda Shastras, all conversations are merely personal one-to-one conversations that we see in Ramana literature, they are primarily personal teachings.



This is nothing against the person Sri Tushnim, He is my friend, :) but his expressions are not acceptable to me.


1865
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 21, 2012, 03:59:34 PM »
This may be of good context to this thread.

A wise old Zen master, very near death, lay quietly on his mat with his eyes closed, all his disciples gathered around. Kneeling closest to him was his number one disciple, a longtime practitioner who would succeed the old man as head of the monastery. At one point the old master opened his eyes, and lovingly gazed at each and every one of his disciples assembled in the crowded room. Finally his glance rested on his successor, and he managed to speak his last words to the man: “Ah, my son, you have a very thorough knowledge of the teachings and scriptures, and you have shown great discipline in keeping the precepts. Your behavior has, in fact, been flawless. Yet there is one more thing remaining to be cleared up: you still reek and stink of ‘Zen’!”


1866
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 21, 2012, 03:56:25 PM »
Sri Atmavichar,

Quote
please ponder. why is the mind sick ? due to wrong ideas and understanding.
Even to ponder one needs a fit mind first  :)

So in conclusion : Logical Knowledge can enter the mind of a person only when he is mentally healthy , sane and fit . Self Knowledge enters the mind of a person only when he is mentally /emotionally prepared through the traditional "Four Disciplines  and Six Behavior Traits"( Sadhana Chatushtaya /  shamAdi Shatsampat )
How one acquires those 4 means and 6 virtues may differ - some through Karma , some through Bhakti , some through Yoga and some through a combination of Karma , Yoga , Bhakti .

Mind need not be fit and all, if ones heart yearns enough, that is enough. Mind is nothing, mind is myth, what do we aspire to realise through mind? IT is through heart that one communions. Prabhakara, the disciple though appearing quite handsome, behaved rather like an idiot, but when his parents bought him to Adi Shankara he sang in gist the tatva rasa of Truth (I do not want to call it Advaita anymore) Shankara named him Hastamalka (one with the amalaka fruit in his hand - Truth)

Nochur Acharya also has said in his talks, Veda Odhuvardu, it is not read, from heart to heart, Truth is awakened by upanishad: upa (nearby), ni (at the proper place, down) and ṣhad (to sit) sitting down near", implying sitting near a teacher to receive instruction or, alternatively, "sitting at the foot of the Master", or "laying siege" to the teacher.

It is not the fitness of mind that is required, it is fitness of the heart. What ever you derive through your mind is useless tinsel. just knowledge garbage. no use of it.

When one is able to see through the Upa Nayana, from the eye of the heart (not of the mind) which is beyond the rationale and logics of mind, one truly becomes blessed. Yato vacho nivartante aprapya manasa saha (where words fail to reach, along with the mind)


1867
General Discussion / Re: Has anyone gone to Tiruvannamalai recently?
« on: December 21, 2012, 03:29:07 PM »
Sir I was in Arunachala during the November 1st week. When i was there there were power cuts every 3 hours, alternatively. But the weather was excellent. But i am not aware of the power cuts presently.

I have stayed at the Sheshadri Ashram many times, they have decent rooms, clean enough (but cant compare to Ramanashram rooms), and there is a canteen, and is decent enough, too, i always have either dosas or puri chapati whenever available.


1868
General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: December 21, 2012, 03:14:02 PM »
What casualness, Udai? I am not going to point out the section what i have told. It is upto you. What do you expect?


1869
General Discussion / Re: Christian quotes
« on: December 21, 2012, 03:11:26 PM »
Truly refreshing indeed. Sir, this, truly is Bodha :)


1870
General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: December 21, 2012, 12:07:13 PM »
Show me a general commentary on scriptures where he said "bodha is not needed" !
Nowhere I have said bodha is not required, you do not seem to read with patience.

you can imagine up things and twist the meanings if you want.
see however what he is saying.

:D It is as good as conversing to a wall, conversing with you, after all!


1871
General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: December 21, 2012, 12:03:42 PM »
Any commentary is written with an ideal disciple in mind. It need not be that everybody may be upto the mark of who Sri Swamiji has kept in mind.

1872
General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: December 21, 2012, 12:02:18 PM »
Please read carefully what i have written,

Understand what Bodha is in the righte context.


1873
General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: December 21, 2012, 11:36:10 AM »
What does the Sringeri mahaswami say below that ?
"Moksha is not realised by the knowledge produced by yoga-shastras. For , that is only dualistic knowledge. Moksha does not
arise merely by the control of activities of the mind. The same is true of the Saamkhya system propounded by the sage kapila. The samkhya system propounds the plurality of jivas. Nor can it arise by sacrificial activities described in the earlier portions of vedas. na vidyayaa: knowledge which relates to the several upasanas of the saguna brahman prescribed in the upanishads, even that will not lead to the realisation of kaivalya. Knowledge derived from yoga and saamkhya sutras relate only to a predicament of duality"

He says it, not me! why is he saying such a thing sir?

See, we have to see things in perspective, this answer too, if the acharya is to a person, who questioned him, the swamiji has given a response based on the questioner's pakva, we do not know, in what perspective the questioner was.

The important thing is to discern that we should not generalise. Infact, you will be clearly aware that Shankara himself would have spoken differently in different context. Swamiji, too has spoke differently in another context. Infact, to some devotee he told, keep off all the books and continue his upasana, do not bother about these.

Udai, we need to see that brahmaatma ekatvaa is beyond rationalisation. For one may find his bread here, another may find his bread in something different alltogether.

What is "Bodha" ?
what does it mean in that sentence ?

Bodha in this context, has to be understood as not 'knowing' or 'understanding' but bodha in this context means 'awakening' there are many meaning attached to the word 'bodha' Brahmaatma Ekatva' is not something that is understanding or knowing, it is awakening, which cannot be understood, or known, that is why even Bhagavan says, Just Be, he doesn't force say 'BE' why he says just be, as brahmaatma ekatvaa is acausal.

Why acausal? because, truly there is nothing to realise, one is already realised they say, the scriptures also say, That Thou Art, I am that I am and so on....

What Bodha to be given to that which is itself Bodha? which is what is conveyed in the famous example, when the pot is broken the space is the pot merges with the space in the space, there is no merging, the pot was already in the space, can we now say, the space became aware of its space?

and why did it say
"na yogena na saNkhyena karmaNaa no na vidyayaa" ?

it simply says, brahmaatma ektva is acausal, it is not derived out of anything, it is inherent. Brahman is not something new that is to be gained.


1874
General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: December 21, 2012, 11:22:26 AM »
Brahmaatma ektva bodha is acausal. It does not occur because of something, so as to say, do this, do that, you will gain brahmaatma ekatva.


1875
General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: December 21, 2012, 11:15:19 AM »
The point is the Brahmaatma Ektva Bodha, occurs irrespective of what one pursues. a person may spend 100 lives in the quest of Jnana and Brahmaatma Ektva Bodha, but still, he may not realise it!

if you keep saying realise Brahmaatma Ektva Bodha, realise Brahmaatma Ektva Bodha, realise Brahmaatma Ektva Bodha, nothing else liberates, what sense does it make?

Aren't people who are serious in the quest of God of Self or what ever we may want to call it, not aware of it? your approach has been like a father persisting his son to get 100/100 in mathematics, get 100/100 in mathematics, but, each one will learn mathematics in their own way, it is not necessary you have to learn addition substration only by pen and paper, one can lean it being with the tress, nature, or in temple or in playground.

You will never know what each person is doing out there, just let them be, they know, people know.

You have something to say, say it and leave it, allow it to germinate, you have something good to contribute, sow the seed and leave it, be patient, do not persist with dumping the food on the child, just because the child has to eat, which only reflects your impatience in somebody else's liberation.

Why do you want to get caught in the web, if somebody is realised or not? why are you trying to become the savior of somebody else?

Please ponder.


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