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1801
She: How to practice meditation?

M.: Keep off thoughts.

She: How to reconcile work with meditation?

M.: Who is the worker? Let him who works ask the question. You are
     always the Self. You are not the mind. It is the mind which raises
     these questions. Work proceeds, always in the presence of the Self
     only. Work is no hindrance to realisation. It is the mistaken identity
     of the worker that troubles one. Get rid of the false identity.


(Talks)


1802
Some people think that there are different stages in jnana. The Self is nitya aparoksha, i.e., ever-realised, knowingly or unknowingly. Sravana, they argue, should therefore be aparoksha jnana (directly experienced) and not paroksha jnana (indirect knowledge). But jnana should result in duhkha nivriti (loss of misery) whereas sravana alone does not bring it about. Therefore they say, though aparoksha, it is not unshaken; the rising of vasanas is the cause of its being weak (not  unchanging); when the vasanas are removed, jnana becomes unshaken and bears fruit.

Others say sravana is only paroksha jnana. By manana (reflection) it becomes aparoksha spasmodically. The obstruction to its continuity is the vasanas: they rise up with reinforced vigour after manana. They must be held in check. Such vigilance consists in remembering = “I am not the body” and adhering to the aparoksha anubhava (direct experience) which has been had in course of manana (reflection). Such practice is called nididhyasana and eradicates the vasanas. Then dawns the sahaja state. That is jnana, sure.

The aparoksha in manana cannot effect dukha nivritti (loss of misery) and cannot amount to moksha, i.e., release from bondage because the vasanas periodically overpower the jnana. Hence it is adridha (weak) and becomes firm after the vasanas have been eradicated by nididhyasana (one-pointedness).


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1803
The antah pranayama (the internal breath-regulation) is as follows:-

Naham chinta (I-am-not-the-body idea) is rechaka (exhalation).
Koham (who am I?) is puraka (inhalation).
Soham (I am He) is kumbhaka (retention of breath).

Doing thus, the breath becomes automatically controlled.


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1804
The Brahma akara vritti helps to turn the mind away from other thoughts.
Either some such practice is necessary or association with sadhus should
be made. The sadhu has already overcome the mind and remains in Peace.
His proximity helps to bring about such condition in others. Otherwise
there is no meaning in seeking a sadhu’s company.


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1805
Mr. Ekanatha Rao: How can anyone reconcile such activity with the
     wage-earning which is a necessity for worldly people?

M.: Actions form no bondage. Bondage is only the false notion. “I
     am the doer.” Leave off such thoughts and let the body and senses
     play their role, unimpeded by your interference.


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1806
Look, the Self is only Be-ing, not being this or that. It is simple Being. Be - and there is an end of the ignorance. Enquire for whom is the ignorance. The ego arises when you wake up from sleep. In deep sleep you do not say that you are sleeping and that you are going to wake up or that you have been sleeping so long. But still you are there. Only when you are awake you say that you have slept. Your wakefulness comprises sleep also in it. Realise your pure Be-ing. Let there be no confusion with the body. The body is the result of thoughts. The thoughts will play as usual, but you will not be affected. You were not concerned with the body when asleep; so you can always remain.

(Talks)


1807
D.: Can we think without the mind?

M.: Thoughts may be like any other activities, not disturbing to the
      Supreme consciousness
.


(Talks)


1808
Give up thoughts. You need not give up anything else. You must
be there to see anything. It is the Self. Self is ever-conscious.


(Talks)


1809
D.: If we think “I am the real,” will it do?

M.: All thoughts are inconsistent with realisation. The correct state is
     to exclude thoughts of ourselves and all other thoughts. Thought
     is one thing and realisation is quite another.


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1810
D.: How do all thoughts cease when the mind is in the Heart?
M.: By force of will, with strong faith in the truth of the Master’s
      teaching to that effect.


(Talks)


1811
If the mind is distracted, ask the question promptly, “To whom
do these distracting thoughts arise?” That takes you back to the
‘I’ point promptly.


(Talks)


1812
D.: Thoughts cease suddenly, then ‘I-I’ rises up as suddenly and
     continues. It is only in the feeling and not in the intellect. Can it
     be right?

M.: It is certainly right. Thoughts must cease and reason disappear
     for ‘I-I’ to rise up and be felt. Feeling is the prime factor and not
     reason.

D.: When I see outside it disappears. What is to be done?
M.: It must be held tight.


(Talks)


1813
realise that the Self transcends the intellect —
the latter must itself vanish to reach the Self.


(Talks)


1814
General Discussion / Wishing a day in advance
« on: December 24, 2012, 10:11:52 AM »
Wishing a day in advance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sust0VZ64rw

"This Is Christmas"

Do you find it hard to sleep til' night,
Resting by the Christmas lights?
Could there be something you forgot?
Beyond the bows, and mistletoes,
The tree with presents wrapped below,
There's more to this than you had ever thought?
Have we lost the reason that we celebrate each year?

[Chorus:]
What is Christmas?
If there never was a Savior wrapped in a manger.
What is Christmas without Christ?

Remember how the story goes,
God's gift was wrapped in swaddling clothes,
Beneath the star, one great and holy night.
The shepherds heard the angels sing,
The wise man brought an offering,
Peace on Earth began in Bethelethm
Have we lost the reason that we celebrate each year?



[Chorus:]
What is Christmas?
If there never was a Savior wrapped in a manger.
What is Christmas?
If the angels never sang 'Glory to the new born king?'
What is Christmas without Christ?

There'd be no gloria
In excelsis deo
Gloria
In excelsis deo

What is Christmas?
If there never was a Savior wrapped in a manger.
What is Christmas without Christ?
This is Christmas,
It’s all about the Savior wrapped in a manger.
This is Christmas,
Because of Jesus Christ!
This is Christmas,
Because of Christ!
Because of Christ!


Wishing you all a very happy and blessed Christmas!!





1815
General topics / Re: Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: December 24, 2012, 09:37:51 AM »
I am still yet to really sink into the expressions of Tiruppavai, though it seems simple and easy, it is quite subtle, and requires steadfast meditation on it.


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