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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: May 16, 2016, 09:48:36 PM »
Stray thoughts...

If i may be allowed to express with freedom, here is what i would like to express - that this Ramana offers NO-HELP ! Yes, and this perhaps is the greatest help one can ever expect! This Ramana's glory is such that when once He owns you, simultaneously you are disowned!

This Ramana perhaps puts even Dakshinamurty to shame.

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: May 16, 2016, 09:34:18 PM »
Stray thoughts...

What Bhagawan has specially done in addition to simplifying Vedanta is that he has simply DE-MYSTIFIED everything.

Mysticism is something that may appear wonderful but could cause a sort of disturbances in some divine fantasies. Each school each path has its own uniqueness. But for me Ramana has totally done away from any kind of mysticisms.

Another great instance that has profoundly affected me in Ramana is this instance given below:

A disciple of a reputed Swami of South India, Vilakshananda, came to Bhagavan to have his darshan. With some hesitation he started telling Bhagavan about his guru's strict injunction that each one of his devotees should do so many thousands of japa daily and surrender the phala to the guru as their offering and that they were following it without fail.

Bhagavan smiled and observed: "Is it so? It is to be appreciated. So much gain for the guru with no strain on his part!" While Bhagavan was saying this, Muruganar entered the Old Hall. Turning to him Bhagavan said: "Do you know? His guru commands each one of his disciples to perform so many thousands of nama-japa and surrender the phala(merit) to him, as guru kanikkai (offering). After that will there be any balance for the disciples? It looks like one keeping the principal and surrendering the interest to the guru as offering. How do you appreciate this?"

Muruganar with tears in his eyes replied: "Bhagavan! Their guru is far better. He at least leaves the principal and demands only the interest. But this guru here (pointing to Bhagavan) is worse. He takes away the principal itself; then where is room for interest? He demands the devotees' mulam(principal) and vaddi(interest) all at once!" Bhagavan gave a benign smile enjoying the poet's joke with deep meaning!

What Muruganar meant was that Bhagavan wipes out the mind and the ego of his devotees.

So who remains to even to do self enquiry! If Ramana is a Dhobi washerman and you give your clothes for washing, he not only washes the shirt clean but cleans the shirt off completely! Returns you nothing in return.


Dear devotees, what is meant here  by the 'entire mind'

- An undistracted mind is an entire mind. Here distraction is impossible. Who can distract whom! Distraction is not our nature.

- Unforgetfulness of one's true nature at all times is an entire mind. Here forgetfulness is impossible. Who is to forget whom! Unforgetfulness is our nature and not forgetfulness! Self can never not shine - it can never not shine - the gem can never not shine - its nature is to shine. The fire can never not produce light - its nature is light!  Even in ignorance Self Shines always! This is why Sun is worshipped as people know when it is night sun has not gone ans it is there! Only earth has turned from the Sun! Similarly are the so called ajnana of mortals!

- Here mind is another name for Self.

- Here intense action is another name for intense inaction. Action in Inaction / Inaction in Action.

- Call it intense action or intense inaction, they are all verily another name for the Self. Here one is free to call it whatever appeals to one. Jnanis call it Brahman. Bhaktaas call it Bhagawan, Yogis call it Kundalini, Sankyas call it Purusha-Prakriti. This itself is Karma Yoga as well!

- Mana Eve Manushyaanam Kaaranam Bandha Mokshah.

- Here there is no belief that one is apart from Self. Is there a Self apart from something else!

- What does it matter if one operated here with absolute intensity. This is what Krishna told Arjuna in the Gita. to perform ones swadharma - as the nature of sun is light, as the nature of gem is to shine, so is our nature - this is what truly is swadharma. Being who we are is our real Swadharma. Being Self is unlimited and is beyond action, inaction, attributes ... and so on. To do what is to be done at a given instant is wisdom! This is what Bhagawan has said according to my grasp.

Intrresting to note Gita verse below -

na me pArthAsti kartavyaM triShu lokeShu ki~nchana .
nAnavAptamavAptavyaM varta eva cha karmaNi .. 3-22..

O Partha, there is nothing in the three worlds that has to be done by me, nor is there anything unattained that should be attained by me, yet I engage myself in action. 3-22

- Here it is observed that what appeared as 'ego' or 'mind' or 'ahankara' itself actually was, is the Pure Self only!

- Here, There remains no further effort in remaining as Self or Being the Self. Is there a need for me to remember myself or being myself?

A day will dawn when you will
yourself laugh at your past efforts.

- When mind completely dies, Mind alone remains FULLY! We only call it Self or Brahman - what we were calling mind so long becomes called Self! What difference does it make for one who has known oneself! Similarl is the intense activity!

- Purnamadah Purnamidam..... Purnam eva Avashishyate!!

Brahman is suddha manas only - (Talks)
The mind is from the Atman - (Talks)

D.: In the book Who am I? you have said the Heart is the seat of the mind. Is it so?
M.: The mind is Atman.
D.: Is it Atman itself or its projection?
M.: The same.

The  word  vijnana  (clear  knowledge)  is  used  both  to  denote  the Realisation  of  the  Self  and  knowing  the  objects.  The  Self  is  wisdom. It  functions  in  two ways. When associated with the ego the knowledge is  objective  (vijnana). When divested of the ego and the Universal Self is  realised,  it  is  also  called  vijnana.  The  word  raises  a  mental  concept. Therefore  we  say  that  the  Self-Realised  Sage  knows  by  his  mind,  but  his  mind  is  pure.  Again  we  say  that  the  vibrating  mind  is  impure  and the  placid  mind  is  pure.  The  pure  mind  is  itself  Brahman;  therefore  it follows that Brahman is not other than the mind of the sage. - (Talks)

Knowledge implies subject and object.
But experience is non-terminal, eternal.
(Talks) (this is entire mind - Nagaraj)


?My dear! Not for a husband?s sake that a husband becomes a loved object;
but a husband becomes a loved object because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for a wife?s sake that a wife becomes a loved object;
but a wife becomes a loved object because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for the sake of the sons do sons become loved objects;
but sons become loved objects because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for wealth?s sake that wealth becomes a loved object;
but wealth becomes a loved object because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for the sake of animals that animals become loved objects;
but animals become loved objects because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for a Brahmin?s sake that a Brahmin becomes a loved object;
but a husband becomes a loved object because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for a Kshatriya?s sake that a Kshatriya becomes a loved object;
but a Kshatriya becomes a loved object because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for the sake of worlds that worlds become loved objects;
but worlds become loved objects because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for the sake of Devas that worlds become loved objects;
but Devas become loved objects because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for the sake of Vedas that worlds become loved objects;
but Vedas become loved objects because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for the sake of the beings that beings become loved objects;
but beings become loved objects because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Not for the sake of all things, that all things become loved objects;
but all things become loved objects because of the love for the Self alone.

My dear! Aatmaa alone is to be seen, heard, thought about, contemplated upon Maitreyi.
If Aatman, my dear, is seen, heard, thought about, and understood, all this get understood.

आत्मनस्तु कामाय सर्वं प्रियं भवति
Atmanastu kAmAya sarvaM priyaM bhavati
It is for one?s own sake everything else is loved

~ Brihadaryanka Upanishad
Yaajnavalkya to Maitreyi

General Discussion / Re: Wise Quotes
« on: May 14, 2016, 10:11:52 AM »
Whenever I have read any part of the Vedas, I have felt that some unearthly and unknown light illuminated me. In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no touch of sectarianism. It is of all ages, climbs, and nationalities and is the royal road for the attainment of the Great Knowledge. When I read it, I feel that I am under the spangled heavens of a summer night.

~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: May 14, 2016, 06:13:34 AM »
"Oral lectures are not so eloquent as silence. Silence is unceasing eloquence."

"Language is only a medium for communicating ones thoughts to another. It is called in only after thoughts arise, when one remains without thinking, one understands another by means of the universal language of silence. Silence is the eternal flow of language, obstructed by words."

~ Ramana Bhagawan

General Discussion / Re: Wise Quotes
« on: May 10, 2016, 09:56:11 PM »
absence of self worshipfulness

absence of pretence




service to the teacher



mastery over mind

dispassion towards sense-objects

absence of egoism

Janma-mrtyu-jara-vyadhi- dukhadosanudarsanam
reflection on the evils of birth, death, old age,  sickness, and pain

absence of sense of ownership

absence of fast attachment to son, wife, home  etc. 

Nityam samacittatvam-istanista-upapattisu
constant even-mindedness in the occurrence of
desirable and the undesirable   

Mayi ananya-yogena bhaktih avyabhicarini
unswevering devotion to Me characterized by  non-separateness from Me 

resorting to a quiet place

absence of craving for the company of people

constant application of the knowledge of the self

keeping in view, the purpose of knowledge of  Truth

Gita Chapter 13

General Discussion / Re: Wise Quotes
« on: May 08, 2016, 08:58:00 PM »
काकः कृष्णः पिकः कृष्णः को भेदः पिककाकयोः
वसन्तकाले संप्राप्ते काकः काकः पिकः पिकः

kaakaH kRuShNaH pikaH kRuShNaH ko bhedaH pikakaakayoH
vasantakaale saMpraapte kaakaH kaakaH pikaH pikaH

Crow is black, nightingale is black... what's the difference between the two. Come spring, a crow is a crow, a nightingale is a nightingale.

In appearance, a crow and a nightingale aren't very different. A crow is black and so is a nightingale. How can we tell the difference? It doesn't matter... Come spring, the difference automatically becomes evident! While a nightingale sings melodiously, a crow, well..., crows. The crow can hang out with the nightingale, try to eat like him or fly like him. These would be external imitations. But the true nature of a nightingale is its sweet voice. That is unimitable by a crow.  (A crow is special in its own way and contributes in ways he was made for!)


General Discussion / Speak Samskrit
« on: May 08, 2016, 05:22:33 AM »
पाठयेम संस्कृतं जगति सर्वमानवान् !
प्रापयेम भारतं सपदि परमवैभवम् !!

Reviving a language,
rejuvenating a culture,
rebuilding a nation that is Bharat!

An appeal to one and all to become part of samskrit language rejuvination. India truly will become literate when its people become knowledgeable of this great language. Thankfully there are many organisations in all places that promote and conduct classes. There is no age bar for learning. Sanskrit can be easily learnt. Samskrita Bharati is one such wonderful organisation. Please spread the word to one and all. Spread the world of Sanskrit. Encourage yourself first to attend the classes and encourage others and especially youngsters to learn Sanskrit. Appeal to all parents yo encourage their children to learn this language.

This is truly a great yajna we can render to the great Rishis of our country. We derive Adhyatma from various sources but it is not enough. It is akin to not taking care of ones own parents. We are only interested in the cream but it is our duty to care for our parents. Its our duty to take forward our heritage - our Mother Samskritam. It is our duty!

Speak Samskrit

SamskritaBharati conducts 10-day Spoken Samskrita classes. This is a great way to become familiar with the language. Thereafter one may take it further. Joining ? Samskrita Through Correspondence?

One can also learn Samskrit through Gita. Please visit website for more details.

There are several other organisations as well.

Please become Samskrit Literate and encourage others!

Harih Om!

General Discussion / Re: Wise Quotes
« on: May 01, 2016, 06:42:36 PM »
पुण्यस्य फलमिच्छन्ति पुण्यं नेच्छन्ति मानवाः
न पापफलमिच्छन्ति पापं कुर्वन्ति यत्नतः

puNyasya phalamichChanti puNyaM nechChanti maanavaaH
na paapaphalamichChanti paapaM kurvanti yatnataH

People like the fruits of virtuous deeds, but not the virtuous deeds! They naturally do not like/want the fruits of sinful actions, but mostly engage in such deeds with sincere efforts!

Mahabhaarata. Subhaashita

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: April 30, 2016, 11:54:50 PM »
Stray thoughts...

यज्ज्ञात्वा नेह भूयोऽन्यज्ज्ञातव्यमवशिष्यते ....
the knowledge, by knowing which there shall be no other thing here left to be known.

Krishna says so in the Gita...what appears in Mundakopanishad

If one is able to win the grace of the Guru. So much births is one one saved from!

O', how, how fortunate are we to be blessed by Bhagawan.... He has saved us from so much knowledge! Indeed!

He has saved us so much more walking.... tiring... ourselves.... those who are blessed to realise his message are indeed greatly fortunate!! Indeed greatly fortunate!!

Lo! Hesr everybody! This Ramana distributes sweets free of cost. He asks nothing in return. He only asks everyone to take it as it is! And those that are able to take it are are blessed, blessed, indeed greatly blessed!!

Friends, in space terminology, there is a term called "Wormhole" it is a hypothetical topological feature that would fundamentally be a shortcut connecting two separate points in spacetime. A wormhole, in theory, might be able to connect extremely far distances such as a billion light years or more, short distances such as a few feet, different universes, and different points in time. A wormhole is much like a tunnel with two ends, each at separate points in spacetime.

Bhagawan is such a wormhole... so enter this wormhole and you will be cut short of so many births!!!

How blessed we are! How blessed we are! We must realise how blessed we are to be here with Bhagawan. Only then we can see the seriousness of it!!!

Do not miss the great opportunity of this birth!

சாப்பா டுன்னைச் சார்ந்துண வாயான்
சாந்தமாய்ப் போவ னருணாசலா   (அ)

To  feed on you I came, O  Arunachala, but I have become your food and am now at peace.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: April 29, 2016, 10:01:57 AM »
sadhana chatushtayam [साधन चतुष्टयं] and
shatka sampatti [षट्क संपत्ति]
[4 means and 6 virtues].

What are the [ साधन चतुष्टयं ]
four-fold qualifications [4 means]?

1. Viveka [ विवेक ]
    Discrimination between the permanent and the impermanent;

2. Vairagya [ वैराघ्य ]
    Dispassion to the enjoyment of the fruits of actions here and hereafter;

3. Shatka-sampatti [ षट्क संपत्ति ]
    Disciplline or six-fold inner wealth [6 virtues] starting with 'sama'; and

4. Mumukshutvam [ मुमुक्षुत्वं ]
    Intense-Desire or yearning for Liberation.

What are the [षट्क संपत्ति  ]
six-fold inner wealth [6 virtues] ?

1. Samah [ शमः ]
    Mastery over the mind;

2. Damah [ दमः ]
    Control of the external senses;

3. Uparama [ उपरमः ]
    Observance of one's own dharma [duties];

4. Titiksha [ तितिक्षा ]
    Endurance of opposites [heat and cold, pleasure and pain, etc]

5. Sraddha [ श्रध्दा ] 
    Reverential Faith in the words of the Scriptures and the Guru;

6. Samadhanam  [ समाधानं ]
    cittaikAgratA, Resolve, reconciliation, profound absorbtion.

~ Adi Shankaracharya

General Discussion / Re: Wise Quotes
« on: April 29, 2016, 07:19:22 AM »
विद्या ददाति विनयं विनयाद्याति पात्रताम् ।

विद्याध्ययन से मनुष्य विनम्रता तथा सद्व्यवहार प्राप्त करता है |

Knowledge bestows humility and from humility character is attained.

Subhashitani. Hitopadesam

General Discussion / Re: Wise Quotes
« on: April 29, 2016, 07:13:21 AM »
सत्यम् ब्रूयात् प्रियम् ब्रूयात् न ब्रूयात् सत्यमप्रियम् |
प्रियम् नानृतं ब्रूयात् एष धर्मः सनातनः ||

satyam bruyat priyam bruyat na bruyat satyam apriyam
priyam ca nanrutam bruyat esha dharmah sanatanah

Speak truth in such a way that it should be pleasing to others. Never speak truth, which is unpleasant to others. Never speak untruth, which might be pleasant. This is the path of eternal morality, sanatana dharma.

~ Subhashitani

One day it was suggested to Sri Maharshi that no spiritual progress could ever be made without  sadhana, or discipline. After a pause he made these observations:

Mind it is that binds man, and the same mind it is that liberates him. Mind is constituted of  sankalpa  and  vikalpa - desire and disposition. Desire shapes and governs disposition. Desire is of two kinds - the noble and the base.  The base desires are lust and greed. Noble desire is directed towards enlightenment and emancipation. Base desire contaminates and clouds the understanding.  Sadhana is easy for the aspirant who is endowed with noble desires. Calmness is the criterion of spiritual progress. Plunge the purified mind into the Heart.  Then the work is over.  This is the essence of all spiritual discipline!

Swami Chidbhavananda. Smriti

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