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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: June 02, 2016, 04:15:19 PM »
Sri Ravi, what a beautiful verse of Thayumanavar. This is one of my many favourites! Absolutely divine! Thank you.

அருளால் எவையும்பார் என்றான் - அத்தை
      அறியாதே சுட்டிஎன் அறிவாலே பார்த்தேன்
இருளான பொருள்கண்ட தல்லால்-கண்ட
      என்னையுங் கண்டிலன் என்னேடி தோழி -     (சங்கர சங்கர சம்போ)

Adhering strictly to the 'teaching' alone is true adoration of the 'teacher', in all splendour and in all-round way! For, the 'teaching' is the 'Teacher'!

Dear Sri Anil ji, this reminded me of this wonderful incident given as below. It contains two excellent verses from the Kaivalya Navaneetam.

She  said,  Bhagavan"s silence  was  his  direct  teaching.  He  taught  Self  Enquiry  to  those  who  could  not comprehend  his  silence;  so  Self  Enquiry  actually  takes  a  secondary  place  as  far  as  his  teaching  is  concerned. He  imparted  his  teaching  of  silence  by  his  mere  grace  filled  glance.  This  is  the  look  that  Muruganar  and others  refer  to  as  his  glance  of  grace.  There  was  never  a  need  to  talk  to  Bhagavan.  He  made  me  mature gradually  and  steadily.  All  of  Bhagavan‟s  devotees  extol  Bhagavan‟s  look  of  grace;  however,  even  that  look was  an  external  expression  of  his  inner  silence.  Silence  was  the  state of  Bhagavan and  his  direct  teaching was only  through  silence.  Those  who  received  his  message  of  silence  had  no  need  whatsoever  to  talk  to  him, much  less  a  need  for  his  instructions.    How  can  I  possibly  express  in  words  the  mysterious  working  of Bhagavan through  silence

I  was  not  prepared  to  leave  her  in  peace.  I  was  drawn  towards  her  like  an  iron  filing  to  a  magnet.  I  noticed that  she  was  always  tranquil  and  quiet.  She  did  a  meticulous  job  in  the  kitchen  and  never  stirred  out  of  it.  I was  insistent  in  my questioning.  I  always  asked  her,  ?What  state are you  in?  You are not  in  a  state of  samadhi because  you  are  very  active.  You  are  open  eyed,  yet  in  a  state  of  silence.  What  is  that  state?  Will  you  please tell  me??  Sankarammal  was  not  only  astute,  but  stern.  She  was  totally  lost  in  her  work.  She  did  her  work with  great  care  and  focus.  She  was  never  found  talking  to  anyone.  These  made  others  avoid  her,  but  it  had the  reverse  effect  on  me.  I  was  strongly  drawn  towards  her.  The  more  I  became  acquainted  with  her,  the more  I  came  to  hold  her  in  high  esteem.  I  was  convinced  that  she  was  an  extraordinary  person,  and therefore  I  requested  her  to  tell  me  the  secret  of  her  perfect  equipoise.  After  several  persistent  efforts,  she finally  relented.  She  revealed,  ?I  was  myself  puzzled  at  this  inner  felicity  that  I  have  and  which  is  extolled  in our  scriptures.  I  was  doubtful  about this  state because  you see  I am  an ordinary  woman. The scriptures  state that  even  sages  and  saints  perform  penance  for  years  before  attaining  this  blissful  state.  I  wondered,  am  I really  in  that  state??  Bogged  down  by  such  doubts,  but  unsure  of  whom  to  ask,  she  waited  for  the  opportune moment.  One  day,  after  breakfast,  she  found  herself  alone  with  Bhagavan.  She  was  pondering  on  how  to find  out  from  him  whether  she  was  genuinely  in  that  extraordinary,  tranquil  state.  But,  how  does  one  ask?  A truly  realized  soul  will  not  put  forth  questions  like,  ?Am  I  in  that  state  of  realization?‟  As  Sankarammal prostrated  before  Bhagavan,  she  felt  a  verse  of  Kaivalya  Navaneetam  spring  from  within  her.  The  verse  was the one  in  which  the guru asks  his  disciple  to  come  out  with  what  he has  understood. The disciple addresses the  guru  with  folded  hands  thus:

 ?O  Lord!  You  are  the  reality,  the  truth,  remaining  as  my  very  innermost Self,  ruling  me  during  all  my  countless  births.  Glory  to  you,  who  have  taken  a  human  form  to  redeem  me through  your  teaching  and  grant  me  this  perfect  state  of  inner  felicity.  I  do  not  see  how  I  can  repay  your grace for  helping to liberate  me.  Glory, glory,  more  glory,  to  your  holy feet!?   

When  she  recited  this  verse,  Bhagavan  looked  at  her  with  compassion  and  said,  ?What  is  there  to  doubt?? and  then  continued,  ?Yes!  Yes!  The  reply  is  in  the  very  next  verse.?    The  next  verse  says  that  the  guru  was ecstatic  after  listening  to  the  explanation  of  the  disciple.  The  guru  bid  him  to  come  near  and  embraced  the disciple  and  said,  ?To  stay  fixed  in  the  Self,  in  the  state  of  this  inner  felicity  without  experiencing  the  three obstacles  of  ignorance,  uncertainty  and  wrong  knowledge  is  the  highest  recompense  you  can  pay  me.?

Sankarammal  looked  at Bhagavan,  and  Bhagavan  again  looked  at  her  steadily  for  a  few  minutes.  Sankarammal‟s  eyes  were  teeming with  tears  as  she  repeatedly  prostrated  before  him.    She  told  me,  ?Ever  since,  I  have  been  in  that  state. There are no  thoughts.?   


Periya Puranam

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: June 02, 2016, 09:24:00 AM »
Thanks Sri Ravi for sharing Sage TGN's interpretations. It gives more weight indeed! Thirukkural is the most non sectarian and most universal work acceptable to one and all groups without an iota of hesitation! I am always marvelled at this work and Avvaiyar's Aathichudi.


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: June 01, 2016, 08:04:59 PM »
அடக்கம் அமரருள் உய்க்கும் அடங்காமை
ஆரிருள் உய்த்து விடும்

Self-control will place (a man) among the Gods;
the want of it will drive (him) into the thickest
darkness (of hell)


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: June 01, 2016, 04:52:23 PM »
Stray thoughts...

A wise man is busy doing nothing!


Sri Anil ji, the post on Maurice Frydman is one of the most poignant one i have read in recent times even among the many wonderful instances with Bhagawan. Thanks for posting this. Truly wonderful and truly refreshing!!

।। आश्चर्यो वक्ता कुशलोऽस्य लब्धा ।।

(Indeed, it is a matter of great) Surprise (the one who is able to) express, conveys (the Truth) and Skillfull (indeed) the one who gets it (grasps it)

~ Kathopanishad

आचार्यात् पादमादत्ते पादं शिष्यः स्वमेधया ।
सब्रह्मचारिभ्यः पादं पादं कालक्रमेण च ॥

AchAryAt pAdamAdatte, pAdam shiShyaH swamedhayA |
sa-brahmachAribhyaH pAdam, pAdam kAlakrameNa cha ||

(One gains knowledge) - one-fourth from the teacher, one-fourth from own intelligence, one-fourth from fellow-students, and one-fourth with time!

~ Subhashita

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: May 22, 2016, 10:42:02 PM »
D.:  There  is  something  concrete  necessary  to  meditate  upon.  How shall we meditate upon ?I??

M.: We have become rooted in forms and so we require a concrete form for meditating upon. Only that which we contemplate will in the end remain over.  When you contemplate the other thoughts  disappear.  So  long  as you need to contemplate there are other thoughts, Where are you? You contemplate because you exist. For the contemplator must contemplate. The contemplation can only be where he is. Contemplation wards off all  other  thoughts. You  should  merge  yourself  in  the  source. At  times we merge in the source  unconsciously,  as  in  sleep,  death,  swoon,  etc. What is contemplation? It is merging into the source consciously. Then the  fear  of  death,  of  swoon,  etc.  will  disappear,  because  you  are  able to  merge  into  the  source  consciously.

~ Talks

First the man feels that he is bound, in the bondage of  samsara, that he is weak and miserable and that unless he leans upon and gets help from God who is all-powerful and can save him, he cannot get out of bondage and misery. Thus he makes  bhakti  to  Ishwara. When  this  bhakti develops and the intensity of his devotion is so great that he forgets his entire self and becomes  Iswaramaya  and complete surrender has been achieved, God takes human shape and comes as Guru and teaches the devotee that there is but one Self and that  That is within him.  Then the devotee attains  jnana  by realizing the Self within him and then he understands that the Ishwara  or Lord whom he worshipped and had  bhakti  for, the Guru who came in human shape, and the Self are all the same.

~ Day by Day

General Discussion / Re: Pictures of Brahma Gnanis
« on: May 19, 2016, 07:17:46 AM »
Dear Ramanaduliji

Yes our country is great inspite of the many bad things that we encounter only because of great Saints.
Here below, i share few paragraphs from Sai Sat Charitra.

All Saints work in unison:

In  1917  Haribhau  Karnik  of  Dahanu  (Thana  District)  came  to  Shirdi  on  Guru Pournima  day (in  the  month  of  Ashada)  and  worshiped  Baba  with  all formality.    He offered clothes  and  dakshina  and,  after  taking  Baba?s  leave  through  Shama,  started  to  walk  down the  steps  of  the  masjid.    Just  as  he  was  leaving,  he  thought  he  ought  to  offer  one  more rupee  to  Baba,  and  so  he  started  to  turn  around.    Shama  quickly  informed  him  by  signs that  as  he  had received  permission  from  Baba to leave,  he should go and not return.   Thus, Haribhau  then  started  for  home. On  his  way  home,  he  stopped  at  the  temple  of  Kala  Rama  at  Nasik  to  receive darshan  from  a  saint  by  the  name  of  Narsing  Maharaj  who  always  sat  just  inside  the  big door  of  the  temple.    As    Haribhau  approached  the  saint,  Narsing  Maharaj  quickly  got  up, leaving  his  disciples,  and  caught  Haribhau?s  wrist  saying,  ?Give  me  my one  rupee.?   Karnik was  quite  surprised.    He  paid  the  rupee  most  willingly,  realizing  Baba,  through  Narsing Maharaj,  had  recovered  the  additional  rupee  he  had  intended  to  give  just  before  leaving Shirdi.  This story illustrates how the saints work in unison and, in reality, all saints are one.

Light  houses  are  constructed  at  various  places  in  the  sea  to  enable  boatmen  to avoid  rocks  and  dangers,  thus  allowing  safe  sailing.    Saint's  stories  serve  a  similar purpose  in  the  ocean  of  worldly  existence.    They  surpass  nectar  in  sweetness  and  make our  worldly  path  smooth  and  easy  to  traverse.    Blessed  are  the  stories  of  the  saints,  for when  they  enter  our  hearts,  our  body  consciousness,  or  egoism,  and  the  sense  of  duality vanishes.    When  these  leelas  are  stored  in  our  heart,  doubts  disappear,  pride  of  the  body falls  away,  and  we  are  filled  with  wisdom.

This  is,  therefore,  the  best  and  most  simple  sadhana  for  attaining salvation.      The  sadhana  for  Krita  Age  was  sham-dama  (tranquility  of  mind  and  body),  for Treta  Age  was  sacrifice,  for  Dwapara,  worship,  and  for  Kali  (present)  Age,  it  is  the  singing of  the  name  and  glory  of  the  Lord.    This  last  sadhana  is  open  to  all  people.      The  other sadhanas,  viz.  yoga,  yaga  (sacrifice), dhyana (meditation) and dharana (concentration) are very  difficult  to  practice,  but  singing  and  hearing  the  stories  of  the  glory  of  the  Lord  (Sai Baba)  is  very  easy.      We  have  only  to  turn  our  attention  towards  them.   

The listening  and  singing  of  the  stories  (leelas)  will  remove  the  attachment to the    senses  and  their  objects  and  will  make  the  devotees  dispassionate,  ultimately leading  them  to  Self-realization.   They  will    develop  detachment  and  attain  Selfrealization. 

Even if we take Bhagawan's devotees, whether devotees really pursue Seld Enquiry seriously in its entirety or not will be blessed enough if they dwell themselves in the life events conversations of Bhagawan. As the Bhramara-kita-nyaya: The analogy of the wasp and the caterpillar, which states how the caterpillar gets transformed into a wasp by intense thinking of the latter. Even so, the Jiva becomes Brahman itself by meditating intensely on the latter, one eventually realises the jivabrahmaikya satyam. For instance, most of us read Talks with Bhagawan regularly and contemplate on it meditate on it - this is also reading the life os saints and not really self enquiry in its classic sense but we see that both are not different - that reading the life of bhagawan and self enquiry both purposes are served. Whereas self enquiry in its classic sense is holding on incessantly on the primordial I I and enquiring the source of the emerged I. Such a one also requires no books as well! But we know by grace that they are all one and the same, whether one reads Bhagawan's books or engage exclusively in self enquiry alone, both are one and the same and serves the same purpose of revealing the true nature of the sadhaka of the jivabrahma aikya.

In Bhagawata Purana, even Kamsa is revered as Bhagawattottama as he constantly remembered Krishna incessantly out of fear, and he attained the Parama gati as well!

We have this great tradition of parayana in our country, of engaging in reading ramayana bhagawata devi bhagawata guru gita guru charitra etc... Therefore reading and dwelling our minds surrendered in the lives of saints is great sadhana. It is interesting as well as the granthas slowly reveal and take the devotees to the supreme reality of jivabrahma aikyam.

General Discussion / Re: Pictures of Brahma Gnanis
« on: May 18, 2016, 04:15:26 AM »

Kanchi Mahaswami

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: May 16, 2016, 10:29:48 PM »
Stray thoughts...

I have never come across another; Ramana who has his loins covered with Koupina seems to convey to us, see I am just like you. I am just like you. No secrets No mysticims in me. I am just like you. In other words he seems to convey we are just like him. Why 'like'  HE IS YOU AND YOU, HIM! There is nothing different in me that is not in you! There is nothing unique in me that is not in you!

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: May 16, 2016, 10:14:16 PM »
Stray thoughts...

We all think Bhagawan gave us Self Enquiry. He asked us to enquire who am i. It actually is a mockery! What can we-you DO! He says! What can you do? Do you think you can do something? Who Are You! I Say! Who are you! And we (who never is*) shamelessly enquire!

* nasato vidyate bhavo nabhavo vidyate satah - Gita

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: May 16, 2016, 09:58:23 PM »

Prathama Purusha - Third Person
Ayam Atma Brahma - He is Brahman

Madhyama Purusha - Second Person
Tat Tvam Asi - You Are That  (Brahman)

Uttama Purusha - First Person
Aham Brahmasi - I am Brahman

Vedanta over!

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