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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 21, 2013, 04:57:05 PM »
“An ounce of practice is worth more than tons of preaching.”

MK Gandhi


General Discussion / Re: Srinivasa Ramanujan
« on: March 21, 2013, 04:50:54 PM »
Dear Sir,

There is a wonderful lesson hidden in your post. It is wise to solve the problem completely, and then proceed to the next, no matter what the next may hold. Srinivasan Ramanujan did not worry about failing the paper, he was more interested on the problem on hand, he did not study for mere academic purposes, for just receiving some degree and honors. A beautiful lesson.


General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 11:22:59 AM »
There is no denial, only thing is that these studies may happen in any manner, and need not necessarily be only in typical prototype manner.


General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 11:10:51 AM »
Dear Sanjaya, Atmavichar and Friends,

This small video is of much relevance in the subject of Spiritual Quest. How we complicate things, from a Hindi Movie 3 Idiots -

Afterall, i find it easier to communicate with such movie scenes than spiritual jargons, is it not?


General Discussion / Re: Srinivasa Ramanujan
« on: March 21, 2013, 11:00:00 AM »

General topics / Re: Sangeetha Dhyana
« on: March 21, 2013, 10:47:09 AM »
This is one of my favorite songs -

Nature lovers, observers, may very well remember the grand old days,
the trees, leaves fallen, less traffic, the cool breeze, less stressful life, less
and minor desires, satvikam, simple life etc... The Video is Must Watch. :)

இது ஒரு பொன்மாலைப் பொழுது
வானமகள் நாணுகிறாள் வேறு உடை பூணுகிறாள்

(இது ஒரு)

Pon maaalaip pozhuthu
Idhu oru pon maalaip pozhudhu
Vaanamagal naanugiraal vaeru udai poonugiraal
(Idhu oru)

Golden evening time
This is a golden evening time
The Sky-girl is getting shy, she is changing her clothes
(This is a)

ஆயிரம் நிறங்கள் ஜாலமிடும் ராத்திரி வாசலில் கோலமிடும்
வானம் இரவுக்குப் பாலமிடும் பாடும் பறவைகள் தாளமிடும்
பூமரங்கள் சாமரங்கள் வீசாதோ

(இது ஒரு)

Aayiram nirangal jaalamidum
Raaththiri vaasalil kolamidum
Vaanam iravukkup paalamidum
Paadum paravaigal thaalamidum
Poomarangal saamarangal veesaadhoa
(Idhu oru)

A thousand colours make magic
In front of the house of Night draw kolams(patterns)
The sky lets out a bridge for the night
The singing birds keep beat
Won’t the flowering trees, sap-trees wave with the wind?
(This is a)

வானம் எனக்கொரு போதி மரம் நாளும் எனக்கது சேதி தரும்
ஒரு நாள் உலகம் நீதி பெறும் திருனாள் நிகழும் தேதி வரும்
கேள்விகளால் வேள்விகளை நான் செய்வேன்

(இது ஒரு)

Vaanam enakkoru bhodhi maram
Naalum enakkadhu saedhi tharum
Oru naal ulagam needhi perum
Thirunaal nigazhum thaedhi varum
Kaelvigalaal vaelvigalai naan seyvaen
(Idhu oru)

The sky is a tree of enlightenment for me
The day will give me news
One day the world will obtain justice
That auspicious day will happen, come looking to happen
I will make sacrifices of questions
(This is a)



General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 21, 2013, 10:29:08 AM »
stray thoughts...

just look around, every thing/body is leaving and slowly going away, for ever, leaving only memories, and never to come back...


General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 09:45:49 AM »
Adi Shankara who himself sang the wonder Dasa Shloki at his meeting of his Guru Govinda Bhagavat Pada, had to travel from down south Kalady to somewhere in Madhya Pradesh, and learn from Him. He had already composed several works. He is already is said to have composed Soundarya Lahiri, etc... Just imagine the Such Shankara going to Guru, who is already master of all Chatur Vedas. How did he get to know about his Guru? what communication were available in those days, and what was his age, and moreover, Shankara was only son and had lost his father, he could no way leave his Mother and go in search for Guru in morality terms. But when the wish is pure and sincere, situations transpire themselves and divine interventions take place which take care the needs Shankara Mother and the crocodile episode took place, and Hismother agreed top his pleed.

We should have such strong conviction in Paramarthika. There is no hindrance in Quest for God. Hindrance is only Vyavaharika.

Just some points for our reflections.


General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 09:31:08 AM »
I completely agree with your view though such opportunities of practical wisdom 1x1 with a realized guru of Upanishadic days are very far and rare these days :). It is also very clear in Taittiriya Upanishad where Uddalaka reinforces tatwamasi through 9 practical exercises which he takes his son through.

Sri Sanjaya, I can assuredly tell you, it is not rare... to the extent of our desire, to that same extent will we find our Guru. The problem is we are not even ready to move out of our comfort zone, our jobs, house, luxuries, etc... we usually expect all the platter to be served in our lap, that will not happen.

I can assuredly tell you, there are many many realised Gurus who are unknown, but, they will not be popular, but we must make effort to go near them and no way that will ever come to our lap.

Sandhya and other karmas are laid so that we do not get caught in worldly affairs. If it is time for Sandhya, then our jobs should not be a hindrance to it. We have to give weightage to Paramarthika over Vyavaharthika.

There is a lot of sacrifice, there is no second to sacrifice. one has to give up a lot of worldly affairs if one has to reach the feet of Guru.


General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 09:25:39 AM »
Here I share the story of Swethakethu, i think it appears in chandogya upanishad, i am not sure. see how upanishads came to existence. They are pure practical exposure, there are no academics in upanishads. Swethakethu finishes his studies from his Guru, and comes back to his father and claims he has learnt all that is to be learnt, the father sees the flawed knowledge in him and guides him further, this became upanishad. Read on..

Uddalaka was a great rishi. He had a son by name Svetaketu.

After giving him the sacred thread at the proper age, the rishi called him one day and said, "Svetaketu, proceed to the house of a guru and living there as a student, learn the Vedas well; for, there is none in our family who is not learned in the Vedas."

As directed by his father, Svetaketu went to a gurukula or the ashrama of a guru and studied the Vedas under the guru. He returned home when he was twenty-four years of age, a proud scholar. He thought that there remained little else for him to know.

His father was a shrewd man. He at once knew that his son's head was swollen with pride. He wanted to correct him.

One day he called him and said, "Son, I think you feel you have mastered all knowledge on the face of the earth; but, have you ever learnt that knowledge, by which we can hear what is not heard; perceive what cannot be perceived, and know what cannot be known?"

Svetaketu was a trifle upset. He asked humbly, "Sire, won't you tell me what that knowledge is? Seeing that his son was coming round, the father said, "My dear, let me explain myself fully. When, for instance, you know one clod of Clay, you can know all that is made of clay. When you know a nugget of gold, you can know all ornaments made of gold, because the essence of it is gold. When you know a nail-cutter, you can know all that is made of iron, the truth being that all of them are iron. The only difference is in their names and forms. That is the knowledge I am talking about." Svetaketu said, "Sir, my venerable gurus did not perhaps know it.

Had they known, why would they have not taught it to me? Please teach it to me." '

Uddalaka said, "All right. I shall teach you;- listen. In the beginning of creation, O child, the Sat or True Being alone existed. It had neither equal nor second. It thought, 'Let me multiply myself and create beings.' He first created Tejas or fire god. The fire god wanted to multiply himself. He created the water god. That is why whenever anybody weeps or perspires, water comes out. The water god wanted to multiply himself and created the food god. Then the True Being thought, 'I have now created these three gods. Now I shall enter them as Jivatma and assume name and form!'

'Later on, the True Being thought, 'I shall now make each of them enter into the other.' "Having thus entered them with His living spirit, It assumed names and forms like Agni, Indra etc. The True Being made them enter into one another, again. 0 child, now learn what each became thereafter. Whatever was fire showed as red. Whatever was water showed as white and whatever was food showed as black. Thus you will see the word Agni vanishes in fire. This change has only been in name. The three primary forms Tejas, Apas or water and Annam or food are the only true forms.

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The red colour of the Sun is Tejas; its white colour is water; its black colour is the food or the earth. Thus the name Aditya for Sun should vanish. It is only a conventional name. "You have now learnt from me, child, how every deity and element is descended from the three primary forms of the True Being.

"He or the Sat alone is all-name, because every name is His name.

He alone is all-power, because every power is His. All the forms that belong to others are reflections of His form. He is the only one without an equal or second. He is the best of all. He being the Chief, He is called Sat or the True Being. Knowing Him we know everything else. When a man sleeps soundly, he comes into contact with the Sat. When man dies, his speech merges in the mind, the mind in his breath, his breath in the fire and the fire in the Highest God, the True Being. Thus the soul or Jiva-Atman is deathless. All the universe is controlled by the Sat. He pervades it all. He is the destroyer of all. He is full of perfect qualities. O Svetaketu, you are not that God.

Svetaketu asked, "Sire, please teach me more."

Uddalaka said, "The bees, my child, collect the honey from different flowers and mix them in the hive. Now, honeys of different flowers cannot know one from the other.

"My child, the rivers that run in the different directions rise from the sea and go back to the sea. Yet the sea remains the same. The rivers, while in the sea, cannot identify themselves as one particular river or another. So also creatures that have come from Sat know not that they have come from that Sat, although they become one or the other again and again."

Uddalaka then asked his son to bring a fig fruit. When he did so, Uddalaka asked him to break it. He broke it.

Uddalaka: "What do you see in it?"

Svetaketu "I see small seeds."

Uddalaka "Break one of the seeds and say what you see."

Svetaketu "Nothing Sir."

Uddalaka: "You are unable to see the minute particles of the seed after breaking it. Now, the big fig tree is born out of that essence of that particle. Like that, the True Being is the essence of all creation. " Uddalaka asked his son to bring some salt and put it into a cup of water and bring the cup next morning.

Svetaketu did so.

Uddalaka: "You put the salt into the water in this cup. Will you take the salt out?

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Svetaketu "I am unable to find the salt; for it has dissolved."

Uddalaka "Taste a drop from the surface of this water." Svetaketu "It is saltish."

Uddalaka "Now taste a drop from the middle of the cup."

Svetaketu "It tastes the same, saltish."

Uddalaka: "Now taste a drop from the bottom."

Svetaketu "It is saltish all the same."

Uddalaka "Now child, you do not see the salt, although it is certainly in the water. Even so, the True Being is present everywhere in this universe, although you do not see Him. He is the essence of all, and the desired of all. He is known to the subtlest intellect."

Svetaketu became humble thereafter, and became a great rishi himself in course of time. This is a story from the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad.

General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 09:18:44 AM »
Upnishat literally means "Sitting near" sitting near is Being near Truth, where ever Truth resides.

Mere academic studies of Scriptures is useless. If you carefully look into the originis of the scriptures, all upanishads never came to existence by sheer will to write an upanishad. The disciples were given practical lessons. None of the Sages of yore realised by mere studies of Vedas and its allied scriptures. There are plenty of examples, which i can share as and when situation takes presents itself.

At this moment, I will share a story from Mahabharatha -

Kaushika was his parents' only son. "Mother," he said one day, " I want to go off into the jungle and devote myself to spiritual studies. "
His mother said with concern, "But son, your father and I are very old. Your father is so sick he can hardly move. If you go away, what will happen to us? Who will attend to our needs?" Kaushika did not listen. He was determined to study the Vedas. His mother cried in vain as she watched her son turn his back on her and leave for the jungle.

Eventually Kaushika acquired great mystical powers. One afternoon, as he was meditating under a tree, a crane flew up, and perched herself on a branch above Kaushika. Some bird droppings fell on Kaushika's head. Kaushika furiously threw a fiery gaze at the crane. The crane immediately fell dead.

The sage felt sorry for what he had done. "How could I have allowed my anger to take over me that way?" He mourned. Later in the day, he went to a village to beg for alms. The lady of the house asked him to wait and went to get some food. Right then her husband arrived. She immediately set aside the pot of food she was taking to the sage and went to attend her husband. After washing his feet, giving him food, and attending to his needs, she came back out to give the alms to the sage. The sage was very insulted. "You put your husband before a pious sage? Do you know the power of a Brahmin?"

She calmly replied, "Yes, a true Brahmin is he who has mastered his anger. Please do not threaten me, I am not a crane that will die by your fiery gaze."

The sage was amazed. "How does she know about the crane?" he wondered. The lady continued, "Oh holy one! You are a learned Brahmin but you have not understood the truth about virtue. If you want to be enlightened, go to Dharmavyadha who lives in Mathura. Any one will tell you where he lives."

The sage thanked the lady and hurried to Mathura. "He must be a great and learned sage indeed," Kaushika thought to himself.

But when he finally reached Dharmavyadaha's place, he found it to be a butcher shop!

A very ordinary looking man came out and said, "Welcome holy one. I am Dharmavyadaha, the man you seek."

"How can a butcher be spiritually enlightened?" Kaushika asked in amazement.

Dharmavyadaha smiled and said with compassion, "I know the story of the crane and of the woman who sent you here. Come, let us go to my house. "

The sage could not contain himself and blurted out, "But butchering animals is such a sinful profession! Are you not ashamed?" "I am not," the butcher calmly said. "I am engaged in a family trade. I work hard and honestly at it. There is no reason for me to be ashamed of my work!"

"Holy one," continued the butcher. "If I do injury to other creatures, so do you as you did to the crane. "

"As we walk on the soil, we are trampling on numerous creatures. Nor is the air devoid of creatures."

"You see that farmer tilling the land? He is killing so many animals that thrive under the soil."

They reached the butcher's house. The butcher's wife was doing her house hold chores and his two boys were playing.

The butcher introduced the sage to his wife and boys.

Then the butcher entered the house and touched his parents' feet.

"Here is a learned Brahmin who has come from a far-off place." the butcher told his old father.

"Welcome, holy one," the father said.

Before leaving the room, the butcher remarked, "My parents are my Gods. My wife and my children attend to them with devotion and love. We consider caring for them to be our greatest duty."

"In doing one's duty cheerfully, lies true virtue. This is what the dutiful wife sent you to learn."
"Oh learned one!" the butcher continued, "You have run away from your responsibilities and deserted your aged father and mother.

Spiritual achievement is useless if one has neglected one's Dharma, or duties."

The sage remembered his mother crying, "Who will look after us when you are gone my son?"

The sage apologized, "You have shown me the path of true virtue, the true meaning of Dharma, Oh pious one. I am deeply indebted to you."

Kaushika immediately returned to his parents and served them lovingly till the end of their days.

"In doing one's duty cheerfully, lies true virtue. This is what the dutiful wife sent you to learn."

"Oh learned one!" the butcher continued, "You have run away from your responsibilities and deserted your aged father and mother. Spiritual achievement is useless if one has neglected one's Dharma, or duties."

The sage remembered his mother crying, "Who will look after us when you are gone my son?"

The sage apologized, "You have shown me the path of true virtue, the true meaning of Dharma, Oh pious one. I am deeply indebted to you."

Kaushika immediately returned to his parents and served them lovingly till the end of their days.

(This Kaushika is the Famous Sage Kausika Maharshi)

This is true studies. Not mere academic studies by reading books can one uplift oneself

more later...


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 20, 2013, 07:09:24 PM »
Dear Sir

Here us that verse 35, am just providing englush translation now as i dnt gave comp access and am writing through mobile.

Master, O friend of all who reverently surrender unto thee, thou ocean of mercy, I salute thee; save me, fallen as I am into this sea of worldly existence, with a direct glance from thy eyes which shower nectarine Grace Supreme


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 20, 2013, 06:42:18 PM »
Can there be any time frame for sravana manana nidhidhtasana ? Which ought to be practiced fir some time? I believe time concept is myth. All of these may transpire in just a flup second or may even take several lives. In bhagawans case it was just 15 minutes.

Moreover sravana manana nidhidhyasa are just terms given. Does the true sadhaka who is thoroughly immersed in god or jnana vichara have any conscience to see that ah ! Yes niw am doing sravana ah ! Now am doing manana ah! Now am doibg nidhidhyasa...

The entire thing is about the annihilation of the doer! When one is immeresed in hus quest what matter in terms and definitions?

Sheer dedication or shraddha or bhakti is what is attributed to such sadhaja immersed in god or jnana.

All these are jyst terms

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 20, 2013, 03:35:02 PM »
याज्ञवल्क्यस्तु विजिगीषुदशायां न हीदृशः, चित्तविश्रान्तये विद्वत्संन्यासस्य तेन करिष्यमाणत्वात् । न केवलमस्य विजिगीषा किंतु धनतृष्णापि महती जाता, यतो, बहूनां ब्रह्माविदां पुरतः स्थापितं सालंकारं गोसहस्रमपहृत्य स्वयमेवेदमाह - नमो वयं ब्रह्मिष्ठाय कुर्मो गोकामा एव वयं स्मः ।

Yajnavalkya was verily not in this state while he was still desirous of victory in disputation, since he was yet to take the vidvatsannyaasa in order to set the mind at rest. Not only he was desirous of victory but had a great thirst for wealth as well, since he, while carrying away thousand cows decorated with gold and put before the assembly of many knowers of Brahman, himself said thus - 'we bow to the wisest of the Brahmanas, but we just wish to have the cows.'

(Vidyaranya, Jivanmukti Viveka)


General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 20, 2013, 03:25:27 PM »
ननु विजिगीषोरात्मबोध एव नास्ति,

Vidyaranya - Moreover, there is not even Self-knowledge in him who
is desirious of defeating others, Sureshwaracharya quoted from Naishkarmyasiddhi, thus:

रागो लिङ्गमबोधस्य चित्तव्यायामभूमिषु ।
कुतः शाद्वलता तस्य यस्याग्निः कोटरे तरोः ॥

Attachment to the grounds on which the mind exercises indicates absence of knowledge.
How can a tree remain verdant which has fire in its hollow?


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