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General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 18, 2013, 12:19:49 PM »
காக்கை சிறகினிலே நந்தலாலா - நின்றன்
கரிய நிறம் தோன்றுதையே நந்தலாலா

Kakkai chiraginile Nanda laala, ninthan,
Kariya niram thondruthayye Nanda lala

Oh Lord who is the darling of Nanda,
I see in the black of the feathers of the crow,
Your colour of black, Oh darling lord.

பார்க்கும் மரங்களெல்லாம் நந்தலாலா - நின்றன்
பச்சை நிறம் தோன்றுதையே நந்தலாலா

Parkkum marangalellam Nanda laala , ninthan,
Pachai niram thondruthu aye , Nanda lala

In whichever tree I see , oh darling lord,
I see your green colour , oh Lord.

கேட்கும் ஒளியில் எல்லாம் நந்தலாலா - நின்றன்
கீதம் இசைக்குதடா நந்தலாலா

Ketkkum oliyellaam Nanda Lala , Ninthan,
Geetham isaikkuthada, Nanda Laala

In whichever song I hear my darling Lord,
I am able to hear your music only, my lord 

தீக்குள் விரலை வைத்தால் நந்தலாலா - நின்னை
தீண்டும் இன்பம் தோன்றுதடா நந்தலாலா

Theekkul kaiyai vaithal , Nanda Laala-ninnai
Thendum inbam  thondruthada , Nanda Laalaa

And if  I keep my finger inside a raging fire,
I only feel that sweet sensation of touching you.



General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 18, 2013, 12:07:00 PM »
Dear Krishnan,

It is irrelevant for a sincere sadhaka to establish if somebody is realised or not, yes, we get pulled to some sources, and we surrender to that source. If a Sadhaka knew before hand who is a Guru and who is not a Guru, then what need there is for him to surrender to a Guru? :) a Sadhaka surrenders to a Guru not out of knowledge of him being an enlightened being, but rather it is the pull of his grace which is reflected by his compassion.

For a Sadhaka, what cannot be a Guru, what cannot be a Jnani? what i am interested in bringing to light is realising or discerning the bhaavam of leaving oneself or ourselves aside everybody else is a Guru, such should be a Sadhakas attitude. Everybody is that God or Guru or that source which pulls one. When this is realised with absolute conviction, Ramana is Gandhi, Ramana is Bharathiyar and so on... what is not Ramana out there? Can there be anything apart from Ramana out there? Is there any place where Ramana is not found?

We must learn to see that Ramana in everything, Prahlada was able to see Vishnu even in a pillar, stone, water, hill, hence where ever he was thrown or killed, it failed, even poison was Vishnu for him, hence it had no effect on Prahlada.

For instance look into the 24 Gurus of the Avadhoota as found in Bhagavata? were the 24 Gurus realised? Guru is what the Sadhaka makes. The external Guru manifests from within said Bhagavan, unless we are able to see that Guru in one and all, impediments will always linger such as these dualities as expressed by you.

for instance, for me, even osama bin laden also is a guru, where is Guru not? where is jnani not? can there be anything that is NOT Guru or Jnani or Self or Atma?

This attitude we should aspire for, this is my spirit, as i have expressed.

Paarkum idam ellaam Nindan tirumeni thonrugiradu.

How can we say, Here there is no Guru, here only Guru is there?

24 Gurus of Avadhoota -

Krishnan, no need to feel sorry for your opinions, stand for your views, also do not ever delete your posts, never lose confidence of your views, but at the same time i know you are open minded, it is i feel, not in the grace of a sadhaka to delete his views for what he stands for, it is hallmark of a sadhaka not to delete his past views. dont ever worry. nobody will ever get hurt or insulted, each one is in their journey, unless oneself hurts or insults oneself none can hurt him.

why are you thinking Gandhi must have done like this and like that, he should have done like this and like that? etc... who are we? if i say the same to Bhagavan ramana or Ramakrishna why does our mind fail to accept it then? all these are just the ramblings of mind, The Gandhi that we see, is the Gandhi that is seen, the Ramana that we see, is the Ramana that is seen.

So long we are seeing with coloured glass, everything will appear in the same colour. hence we need to discard this glass of mind. Sarvam Brahma Mayam. Stop seeing the body, stop seeing the manifest and we should see that which is unmanifest in everybody.


General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 18, 2013, 10:54:58 AM »
Dear Krishnan,

just for some food for contemplation... :)

Do you regard Lord Rama as a Jnani? Leave aside the other Ramayanas including the Adhyatma Ramayana that proclaim him as an avatar and so on. In reality, as narrated by Valimiki, the character of Rama and his life necessarily does not appear to make him a Jnani. If one deeply looks into the core of his character, Rama has all the great virtues which is very well known, at the same time, he also inherited similar qualities of his father Dasaratha, little fickleness, emotional, and so on.

One had you will see Rama outpouring great expressions of Jnana and Brahmana, absolute Atma Rasa, immediately in the same time, you will see Rama exactly opposite to what he had just said some time back, wailing and craying and deeply immersed in pain of separation from his family, the hard order of his Mother Kaikeyi and so on. One had he praises Kaikeyi and you will find on the other hand crying for what she had done. One had Rama praises his father and on other hand you will find him wailing and pained deeply for his fathers fickleness.

It is not simply that stalwart Sages like Vishwamitra, Vasishta, Bharadwaja, Valimiki was clean bowled over, he was so puzzled at this Param Porul Rama, he could not grasp Rama, set out to compose Ramayana and other were attracted and were so eager to be in the presence of Rama. Infact, if one closely observes, one can recognise, how Rama stumps even these stalwarts as well, who are bewildered by Rama, as he is absolutely unpredictable! After Rama comes back, after his pattabhishekam etc... Rama sends of Sita to forest, infact if one reads Uttara Ramayana one cannot but feel how Rama could be so bad, and fickle minded, he sends Lakshmana to drop off Sita hald way in forest, when he performs ashwamedha yajna, he does not invite Valimiki, or Sita. there are plenty to quote.

Brahman cannot be grasped, Jnani cannot be grasped by his actions. As Bhagavan says there is no Jnani but only Jnanam


General topics / Re: Thayumanavar - Blessings
« on: April 17, 2013, 11:20:04 AM »
Such wonderful pearls Sir,

Thanks so much for posting these regularly! Which post can we miss, when i go to highlight some thing, every expression of the Sage is so endearing

(Lets) i just pray, (we) i am able are swallowed in Thy heart in one gulp.



General topics / Re: Sri Subramanya Bharati:
« on: April 17, 2013, 11:11:57 AM »
உலகெ லாமொர் பெருங்கன வஃதுளே
உண்டு றங்கி யிடர்செய்து செத்திடும்
கலக மானிடப் பூச்சிகள் வாழ்க்கையோர்
கனவி லுங்கன வாகும்;இதனிடை

Inside this world that is a dream,
life of the rebellious human insect
that eats, sleeps, disturbs and dies
is a dream within a dream

From சுயசரிதை


General topics / Re: Sri Subramanya Bharati:
« on: April 17, 2013, 11:10:28 AM »
யாமறிந்த மொழிகளிலெ தமிழ்மொழி பொல் இனிதாவது எஙும் காணொம்

Among all the languages we know, we do not see anywhere, any as sweet as Tamil.


General Discussion / Re: Vedanta Dindima
« on: April 17, 2013, 10:55:52 AM »
Dear Sanjay,

Very Valuable series of posts!!


General Discussion / my musings - The Secret of Nishkamya Karma
« on: April 17, 2013, 10:47:51 AM »
Stray Thoughts...

The Secret of Nishkamya Karma or Desireless Actions

When we truly realise that absolutely there is nothing to be claimed by us as our own, how can a desire spring in ones actions? When this is discerned with absolute conviction, we realise that even the Punya that we are said to acquire by good deeds also do not belong to us, how can we claim anything as our own?

This flashed to me, a secret revelation, from within, the secret of Nishkamya Karma.

Automatically, unnecessary actions reduce, as the doer dies, as it realise nothing is there to be claimed, it ceases to exert itself thereafter, thus only we are made to engage in those actions that require our exertion or can we say, require the exertion of the body. It is Prakruti or Nature.


General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 17, 2013, 10:27:25 AM »
Dear mcozire

I believe this to be your prayer for the question you have posted:

"A lover of God prays to the Divine Mother: 'O Mother, I am very much afraid of selfish actions. Such actions
have desires behind them, and if I perform them I shall have to reap their fruit. But it is very difficult to work
in a detached spirit. I shall certainly forget Thee, O Mother, if I involve myself in selfish actions. Therefore I
have no use for them. May my actions, O Divine Mother, be fewer every day till I attain Thee. May I perform,
without attachment to the results, only what action is absolutely necessary for me. May I have great love for
Thee as I go on with my few duties. May I not entangle myself in new work so long as I do not realize Thee.
But I shall perform it if I receive Thy command. Otherwise not.' "

(The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna)

Harih Om!


Very true sir, it is most painful, most painful!! we can only seek solace by concluding that the ways of God are mysterious and beyond our cognisance and reach.

Such things only make ourselves, our heads bow down out of our inability and helplessness in the divine will of God.


. thankfully i never bothered to watch his overaction movies from my childhood and i can really count the movies i watched..


Dear Subramanian Sir

i wld also like to clarify that i had never intended or even thought about the nayanmars in my posts. but just highlighted in general that kings in those times did engage themselves to prove supremacy of their faith and used force in order to spread their faith in their kingdom.

 this is just to clarify that i do not wish or believe in the notion that nayamars wld hv at any time encouraged killing.

but it is a fact that some pandian kings engaged in violence in order to make their kingdom compketely shaivam.


General topics / Re: Ramana Bhakta Mandali Bangalore
« on: April 15, 2013, 12:52:27 PM »
Dear Krishnan

may God bless you with a favourable providence that is best for you

Dear Krishnan, apart from the killings Jains and Buddhists, there have been killings of shaivaites and vaishnavites in similar manner between each other.

This was just to illustrate that nothing is ever straight when we see in the open.

It was only to bring to front the condemnation of kamal hassan for his atheistic belief.

There are things much more than just what they seem from front.

Just because something is condemded it does not become wrong and just because somebody condemns, they don't become wrong. Similarly just because there is God associated with one side, it does not becomes right and also just because there is no God associated with other, they don't become wrong.

The Truth is beyond these. as the Kural goes -

எப்பொருள் யார் யார் வாய் கேட்பினும் அப்பொருள்
மெய்ப்பொருள் காண்பதறிவு.

‘The mark of wisdom is to discern the truth, from whatever source it is heard, regardless of the matter."

Prashant, you are just copy pasting from some website, it would do better if you give out your own opinions based on your own experience. But i do not argue, it is not easy to understand Kamal Haasan at first go.

Krishnan, :) i have high regard and respect for Kamal Haasan for what he stands. He is exceptional human being. I believe ones life course does not define a human being. He may have married 2 times 3 times... what of it? Let me tell you, he is highly inspiring to me to see his integrity and courage who has been living for what he truly believes in.


Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Nectar from rAmAyanA
« on: April 15, 2013, 11:51:40 AM »


A son who delivers his father from
a hell known as 'Put' protects his
ancestors in every way and therefore he is called 'Putra'.

Rama to Bharata, who stays steadfast in fulfilling his vow to to make sure his father's honour is kept up who had conferred boons to Kaikeyi, by whom Rama was ordered to go to the forests for 14 year, so that her (Kaikeyi) son Bharata would be made the emperor (and not Rama, rightfully)

(2.107.12 Valmiki Ramayana)


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