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General topics / Re: Sangeetha Dhyana
« on: April 24, 2013, 05:37:01 PM »
It is really heart warming that we do have great songs still written in this age in tamizh. Here is another gem from Vairamuthu -

என் மேல் விழுந்த மழைத் துளியே
இத்தனை நாளாய் எங்கிருந்தாய்

En mel vizhuntha mazhai thuliye
Itthanai naalai engirunthai?

O raindrop that fell on me,
Where were you all these days?

இன்று எழுதிய என் கவியே
இத்தனை நாளாய் எங்கிருந்தாய்

Indru ezhuthiya en kaviye
Itthanai naalai engirunthai?

O poet that wrote 'today',
Where were you all these days?

என்னை எழுப்பிய பூங்காற்றே
இத்தனை நாளாய் எங்கிருந்தாய்

Ennai ezhuppiya poonkatre
Itthanai naalai engirunthai?

O gentle breeze that woke me up,
Where were you all these days?

என்னை மயக்கிய மெல்லிசையே
இத்தனை நாளாய் எங்கிருந்தாய்

Ennai mayakkiya mellisaye
Itthanai naalai engirunthai?

O melodious music that enticed me,
Where were you all these days?

     உடம்பில் உறைகின்ற ஓருயிர் போல்
உனக்குள் தானே நான் இருந்தேன்

Udambil uraikindra oruyir pol
Unakkul thaane naan irunthen

Like a quiescent life in the body
I have been within you all this while

(என் மேல்)

மண்ணைத் திறந்தால் நீரிருக்கும் - என்
மனதைத் திறந்தால் நீயிருப்பாய்

Mannai thiranthal neer irukkum
En manathai thiranthal nee iruppai

When you open sand, you find water
If you open my heart, you would find you

ஒலியைத் திறந்தால் இசை இருக்கும் - என்
உயிரைத் திறந்தால் நீயிருப்பாய்

Oliyai thiranthal isai irukkum
En uyirai thiranthal nee iruppai

When you open sounds, you find music
If you open my life, you would find you

வானம் திறந்தால் மழை இருக்கும் - என்
வயதைத் திறந்தால் நீயிருப்பாய்

Vaanam thiranthal mazhai irukkum
En vayathai thiranthal nee iruppai

When you open the sky, you find rain
If you open my age, you would find you

இரவைத் திறந்தால் பகல் இருக்கும் - என்
இமையைத் திறந்தால் நீயிருப்பாய்

Iravai thiranthal pakal irukkum
En imayai thiranthal nee iruppai

When you open the night, you find morning
If you open my eyelids, you would find you

(என் மேல்)

     மண்ணும் விண்ணும் உரசுகையில்
என்ன பாஷை பேசிடுமோ

Ilayum malarum urasugayil
Enna bhashai pesidumo?

When the leaf meets the flower
What language does it speak?

அலையும் கடலும் உரசுகையில்
பேசும் பாஷை பேசிடுமோ

Alayum karayum urasugayil
Pesum bhashai pesidumo?

When the wave meets the shore
What language does it speak?

காற்றும் மலையும் உரசுகையில்
என்ன பாஷை பேசிடுமோ

Mannum vinnum urasugayil
Enna bhashai pesidumo?

When the earth meets the sky
What language does it speak?

பார்வை ரெண்டும் பேசிக்கொண்டால்
பாஷை ஊமை ஆய்விடுமோ

Paarvai randum pesi kondaal
Bhashai oomai aai vidumo?

When eyes meet and speak,
Does language mute?



General topics / Re: Sangeetha Dhyana
« on: April 24, 2013, 12:25:38 PM »
Yamanelloo  kaaNanendu hELa bEDa ,
Yama Ramachandrane   sandeha   bEDa

1. Nambida   VibheeshaNanige    Ramanaada,
 Nambadidda   RaavaNage   Yamanaada,

2. Nambida  baalakanige  hariyaada ,
Nambadidda   avana pithage   Ariyaada.

3. Nambida  Arjunanige   banTanaada ,
Nambadidda    Kouravarige   thunTanaada.

4. Nambida  Ugrasenanige   mithranaada,
Nambadidda Kamsanige   Shathruvaada

5. Nambidavara    salahuva  namma   doreyu,
Ambujaaksha   Purandara   vittala   Rayanu.

Do not say that I have not been able to see Yama anywhere,
Yama is Ramachandra ,  have no doubt about it.

1, To Vibheeshana who believed he is Lord Rama,
To RaavaNa who did not believe   he is Yama.

2. To the boy (Prahlaada) who believed   he was Hari,
To his father (HiraNyakashipu) who did not believe, he was enemy.

3. To Arjuna, who believed, he was the slave,
And to the Kouravas   who did not believe   he was a killer

4. To Ugrasena who believed   he became a friend,
To Kamsa who did not believe    he was an enemy.

5. Our lord who protects    those who believe in him,
Is the   Lotus eyed   Purandara   Vittala.

Purandara Dasa


General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: April 22, 2013, 03:02:16 PM »
"A wise woman who was traveling in the mountains found a precious stone in a stream. The next day she met another traveler who was hungry, and the wise woman opened her bag to share her food. The hungry traveler saw the precious stone and asked the woman to give it to him. She did so without hesitation. The traveler left, rejoicing in his good fortune. He knew the stone was worth enough to give him security for a lifetime. But a few days later he came back to return the stone to the wise woman. "I've been thinking," he said, "I know how valuable the stone is, but I give it back in the hope that you can give me something even more precious. Give me what you have within you that enabled you to give me the stone." 


General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 22, 2013, 11:00:43 AM »
Dear Krishnan,

Here is from Gospel:

God in all beings

MASTER (to Manomohan): "I see Rāma in all things. You are all sitting here, but I see only Rāma in everyone of you."

MANOMOHAN: "Yes, sir. It is Rāma who has become everything. But, as you say, though all water is Narayana, yet some water is fit for drinking, some for washing the hands and face, and some only for cleaning pots and pans."

MASTER: "It is true. But I see that it is God Himself who has become everything-the universe and its living beings."

In the same manner, the Self or God in the form of wisdom will advise the course. We need not seek the ashraya (taking recourse) of Osama, we may keep distance from such persons, but we should never forget that such persons too are the manifest form of the Lord Almighty. When this is discerned, one will essentially take recourse to silence in surrendering oneself, being unable to perceive where He is not present. As Diamond is seen in dark carbon.

The object aimed is to discern and realise the all pervasiveness omniscient omnipotent. as the very first name of Vishnu, revealed in Vishnu Sahasranama is Vishwam -

He whose manifestation is the whole universe of forms: the Viraat-Purusha. The cause is always present in the effects and as such That Form from which the whole universe has emerged out can only be its own manifestation. The whole cosmos of gross forms is His own expression, and therefore, He is called as Viraatpurusha. ‘Sa eva Sarva- Bhootaatmaa Visvaroopo Yato-Avyayah’. The Sanskrit term Visvam comes from the root Vis, to enter: Thus it means He who has created and entered into the entire universe, as the All-Pervading Reality. It can also mean, That into which the entire universe has entered to remain therein established. In the Upanishads also we have assertions of similar ideas. It is only when intellectually, we view the Lord that we come to recognise Him as the ‘cause’ for the universe. When viewed through contemplation, since the effect is nothing other than the cause, there can be no world other than Him. In fact, there is nothing other than the Supreme. In the Mandukya Upanishad we read ‘Omkaara Evedam Sarvam’. In Geeta ‘OM ltyekaaksharam Brahma’.

This is what was intended to be expressed.



General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: April 22, 2013, 07:01:48 AM »
Time is fleeting. The night is wasted in sleep and pleasure. The day is wasted in idle talk, amassing money and maintenance of the family. Days, months and years are rolling away. Hairs have become grey. Teeth have fallen. You are attached to perishable objects through Moha. Tell me, friends, how long will you be a slave to the fleeting things of the world? How long are you going to repeat the same sensual enjoyments? How long do you wish to worship mammon and woman? When will you find time to meditate on the Lord and to do virtuous deeds? Think and reflect.

Swami Sivananda

even if one merely continuously repeats to oneself inwardly ‘I-I’ with
the entire mind fixed thereon, that also leads one to the same source.

Who am I


General topics / Re: Happy Ram Navami Fri 19 April 2013
« on: April 20, 2013, 10:30:24 AM »
Dear Sir,

it is really very inspiring to hear the happenings and how wonderful, glad to hear everything has remained well as it is. Your narration has immensely increased my faith on the traditional paths of such anushtanas as you have mentioned. I have heard from near and dear ones the ineffaceable grace of doing parayanam of Sundara Kandam, and the specific japams and chantings of special stanzas from Soundarya Lahari, parayana of Sai Sat Charitra in 7 days, Likhita rama Japam, various stotrams etc... i have known people narrate incidences who have said their loved ones have been saved from the clutches of death by  performing such anushtanas by His grace.

the rents looks scary though, how much this city has changed for the worse!


General topics / Re: Happy Ram Navami Fri 19 April 2013
« on: April 19, 2013, 07:10:54 PM »
sir i believe every follower of sanathana dharma myst read ramayana. by this one will kniw the treadures of our countrys tradition and values and spirit the relationships of vhildten to parents friends brothers sages enemies adhyatma vyavahara paramarthika what is nit there.

ekaikamaksaram pumsaam maha payhaka nashanam is said about ramayanam. every letter of ramayana is great purifier and destroys the greatest of sins.

rama is the heart of bharata country. rama is the throb of vedas. rama is atma.

rama. how sweet.

General topics / Re: Happy Ram Navami Fri 19 April 2013
« on: April 19, 2013, 07:04:56 PM »
Dear Sir

Very true. most houses have ramar horoscope and indeed the very presence of anything about ramais so powerful. as it is said the name of rama itself is more potent tham himself. even a casual limited kniwledge about rama and ramayana is most purifying and confers wisdom to one.

its interesting to note the planets in ramars horoscope.. i need lil more time to get a grasp of it :-)

its a common practice to write rama nama in book. i have also done this and srill do wn ever i am inspured. its a great sadhana.


General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 19, 2013, 11:14:13 AM »
As Swami Vivekananda says, Each soul is potentially divine. what do we know each person has come down with what prarabhda karma, each one is here in some form or the other inorder to expend their karmas. when we discern this, we would begin to feel a compassion that surpasses the notions of evil and good, as we would realise that the indweller in every person is the shining Chaitanya that is blemishless and the divine supreme Self.

We all become mere instruments order that each one is caused to fulfil their karmas in one way or the other. When this is discerned, we will cease from judging anybody, like the sages at Vaikunta Jaya and Vijaya were cursed due to offending the sanaka sanandana sages. then they sought the feet of Vishnu and out of compassion Vishnu offers two choice to them: The first option is to take seven births on Earth as a devotee of Vishnu, while the second is to take three births as his enemy, and wanting to reach him as early as possible chose to be born as Rakshas, who are born as Hiranyakasipu and Hiranyaksha, Ravana and Kumbhakarna and as Dantavakra and sisupala (killed by krishna)


General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 19, 2013, 10:49:14 AM »
May not be of direct context, but i am impelled to share this story of Chandikeshwara Nayanmar, who cuts his fathers legs:

In the beautiful town of Cheinallur (சேய்ஞல்லூர்) (called Cheinallur because it was created by the universal Sei – Lord Muruga) (this place is now called Senganur) there lived a Brahmin couple by name Echadattan and Pavithirai who were devotees of Lord Shiva. They were blessed with a brilliant son who was well versed in the education of Vedas even without the help of a Guru. The couple named their son Visarasarumar.

One day, Visarasarumar saw some cowherds beating the cows. Very upset, Visarasarumar explained the greatness of the cow to the cowherds - how all the Devas are present in the different parts of the cow’s body; milk given by the cow is used for abhishekam of Shiva and the cow dung is used in the preparation of sacred ash. He also offered to take care of the cows thereafter.

From then onwards, Visarasarumar herded the cows everyday to graze and the quantity of milk given by the cows increased day by day.  An ardent devotee of Lord Shiva, Visarasarumar made a Shiva Linga in the sand and did puja and abhishekam with the cows’ milk every day.

Hearing from the people in town that Visarasarumar is pouring the milk in the sand everyday, Echadattan came in search of the son. Visarasarumar was praying to his Lord and the pot of milk was kept ready for abhishekam. Echadattan called his son and when he did not respond, he beat him with a stick. Even then Visarasarumar did not react and continued with his prayer. Very angry, Echadattan kicked the milk pot. Furious that the milk kept for the Lord’s abhishekam was wasted, Visarasarumar took in his hand the stick which his father had used to beat him. The moment Visarasarumar touched the stick, it turned into an axe and Visarasarumar cut his father’s legs which kicked the milk pot!

He then continued with his puja. Lord Shiva along with Goddess Parvathi gave darshan to Visarasarumar and said that Visarasarumar can consider the Lord as his father thereafter. The Lord made him the head of his devotees and gave him the position of Chandeswarar. The Lord further declared that the offerings made to Him will be offered to Chandeswarar also. He also removed a Kondrai flower from His head and placed it on Chandeswarar’s head. The Lord then took Chandeswarar with Him to Shiva Loka while Chandeeswarar’s parents also attained moksha. Thus, Visarasarumar became a son to Lord Shiva and became Chandikeswarar. He is always present in Shiva temples near the spout from where the milk offered as abhishekam to the Lord comes out!


General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 19, 2013, 10:42:13 AM »
Dear Krishnan


nice post! When you see Ramana in Osama where is Osama? We either chose to see the body or the indweller.

When we are able to see that indweller, what matters if the body is rogue or a killer or murderer or a philanthropist or dharmakarta, etc... This should be our aspiration a mettle of a Sadhaka. to come to terms that yes IT is THAT GOD alone who is the Self even in the so called murderers and evil people, avan anndri asayaadu, not an atom moves without Him. Only if this bhavam is acquired (it is already there, just needs to be discerned), one would be able to transcend the right and wrongs that appear before us. We will suibmit ourselves to the Will of that Supreme Allmighty, who is the Lord of all, and each and every one is mere puppet in His Hands. Can Osama be different?

this is what stops us from looking beyond, we are caught much by such barriers of physical forms and their actions.

Yes ultimately each one conveys the same thing in various different ways, but an exchange occurs when there is a mild difference, as is being exchanged now.

Truth prevails.


General Discussion / Choice: my musings
« on: April 18, 2013, 05:32:51 PM »
Stray thoughts..


We have two choices -

we can either chose to see the 'other' as the Supreme God or Supreme Self or ourselves or
we can chose to see the 'other' as ordinary (human) beings.

We are/become what we see!


General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 18, 2013, 05:14:24 PM »
Dear Krishnan,

what i have come to discern in my limited capacity is that a 'jnani' is only a mirage, there is none anybody like a 'jnani'

Can the Self anytime call itself a 'jnani' or the persons who knows somebody to be a 'jnani', are they addressing the body or the Self to be a 'Jnani'?

Ultimately suit yourself, which ever is best for you. We just share what we express, we take that which is in confirmatory to ourselves and reject that which is in non confirmatory to ourselves.

What is important is not who is a Jnani and who is not a Jnani, but what is important is who is it that distinguishes between a Jnani and Ajnani. Judgements expressed such as one is not a Jnani and the other is a Jnani springs from the extroverted mind, which is as good as a dream. Where is Gandhiji in our sleep? this ought to be contemplated upon.

If you observe carefully, and re read my post, no where have i mentioned Gandhiji to be a Jnani. What has been clearly expressed is that such assertions such as Jnani or Ajnani are invalid and as good as mirage.

Whether Gandhiji is a Jnani or not, is of zero consequence to anybody, likewise, whether Ramanar is a Jnani or not also is of zero consequence when it comes to oneself. Why to engage oneself in these brandings? Of what avail is it, ultimately? one may either conclude as follows:

Gandhiji is not a Jnani or
Gandhiji is a Jnani

what does not get out of this assertion in the end?

I would say, take your pick, either of the two, it is still of no consequence! Not an ounce of gain does one get out from this assessment!

What one sees in Ramana is also seen in each and every soul that we see.

I conclude that it to be more fruitful to see that God or the Self Supreme in all than evaluating whether one is a Jnani or Ajnani, it is more fruitful to see that God or the Self Supreme instead of seeing what actions is one engaged in, what views does one hold, what mistakes has one done, what good deeds one has done and so on.

Unless we are able to see our-Selves in everybody, of what use is any thing? of what use is any thing? of what use is Self Enquiry or Bhakti or Jnana, if we are unable to see our Selves in others?


General topics / Re: Direction in life.
« on: April 18, 2013, 12:38:35 PM »
therefore krishnan.. when such is the nature of that supteme self that is all pervading as there is no place where that is not to be not found, when it is said so here it is not gandhi is not or anybody is nit it invalidates the all pervasiveness of the supreme truth. the heart rises forth from within and expresses so in anguish that no, truth is all pervasive. gandhi bharati and even the ant out ther is that supreme self or being.

every thing being is just Him. pointblank. no way can we say here he us not.


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