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1186
General topics / Re: Ramana Saahitya
« on: June 01, 2013, 10:58:08 AM »


अहं दैन्यागारस्त्वमसि विभवानां जननभूः
महामूढोऽहं त्वं ह्यसि निखिलविज्ञाननिलयः ।
पिपासाश्रान्तोऽहं त्वमसि शिवपीयूषलहरी
गुरुस्त्वं शिष्योऽहं रमणभगवान्पाहि दयया ॥


       ahaṁ dainyāgārastvamasi vibhavānāṁ jananabhūḥ
mahāmūḍho'haṁ tvaṁ hyasi nikhilavijñānanilayaḥ |
pipāsāśrānto'haṁ tvamasi śivapīyūṣalaharī
gurustvaṁ śiṣyo'haṁ ramaṇabhagavānpāhi dayayā ||

Poverty is where I stay with. Prosperity grows under Thy feet.
A great idiot am I. You are the rest-house of wisdom.
Exhausted with thirst am I. You are the high wave of Bliss.
Ramana Bhagavan, you are the Guru. I am Thy disciple.
By Thy merciful gracesave me!




(Ramana Lahari)

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1187
Dear Sir,

Few years back, they had displayed some very old books in the book store, and i grabbed some of these very old publications small ones, that contain various sanskrit shlokas. These books were published during the time of Bhagavan, its a double thrill and excitement for me of possessing these books that were published during Bhagavan's time :)

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1188
General topics / prapattyaṣṭakaṁ: Ramana Saahitya
« on: May 30, 2013, 12:02:33 PM »
॥ प्रपत्त्यष्टकं ॥

आवर्तपुर्यां जनितं प्रपद्ये पाण्ड्येशदेशे विहृतं प्रपद्ये ।
शोणाचलप्रस्थचरं प्रपद्ये भिक्षुं तपःक्लेशसहं प्रपद्ये ॥१॥

आब्रह्मकीटान्तसमं प्रपद्ये जितारिषडर्गमहं प्रपद्ये ।
सर्वज्ञतासारभृतं प्रपद्ये निस्सीमकारुण्यनिधिं प्रपद्ये ॥२॥

अस्मात्प्रपञ्चादधिकं प्रपद्ये विश्वाधिकोक्तेर्विषयं प्रपद्ये ।
कालग्रहग्राहभयापनुत्यै कृतान्तशिक्षाकृतिनं प्रपद्ये ॥३॥

विनेतुमार्तिं विषयाध्वजन्यां विज्ञानमूर्तिं दधतं प्रपद्ये ।
कन्दर्पदर्पज्वरवारणाय कामारिलीलावतरं प्रपद्ये ॥४॥

आजन्मवर्णिव्रतिनं प्रपद्ये कुण्डीभृतं दण्डधरं प्रपद्ये ।
ब्रह्मासन्ध्यानरतं प्रपद्ये ब्रह्मात्मभूयं यतिनं प्रपद्ये ॥५॥

हरं प्रपद्ये विजरं प्रपद्ये स्वतन्त्रतायाः सदनं प्रपद्ये ।
अमेयसामर्थ्यवहं प्रपद्ये विशुद्धविज्ञानिवरं प्रपद्ये ॥६॥

दौर्भाग्य तापत्रय कर्म मोह सन्तापहन्तारमहं प्रपद्ये ।
यथार्थसंकल्पमपेतपापमवाप्तकामं विशुचं प्रपद्ये ॥७॥

मनः प्रसादं भजतां ददानं मुग्धस्मितोल्लासिमुखं प्रपद्ये ।
व्यथामशेषां व्यपनीय मोदप्रदेन नाम्ना रमणं प्रपद्ये ॥८॥

शिवं प्रपद्ये शिवदं प्रपद्ये गुरुं प्रपद्ये गुणिणं प्रपद्ये ।
मदीयहृत्पद्मजुषं प्रपद्ये शरण्यमीशं शरणं प्रपद्ये ॥९॥

प्रपत्तिं रमणस्यैतां तन्वतां तत्वदर्शिनः ।
तत्क्रतुन्यायरसिकाः तत्ताद्दशफलाप्तये ॥१०॥

॥ प्रपत्त्यष्टकं संपूर्णम् ॥

        || prapattyaṣṭakaṁ ||

āvartapuryāṁ janitaṁ prapadye pāṇḍyeśadeśe vihṛtaṁ prapadye |
śoṇācalaprasthacaraṁ prapadye bhikṣuṁ tapaḥkleśasahaṁ prapadye ||1||

ābrahmakīṭāntasamaṁ prapadye jitāriṣaḍargamahaṁ prapadye |
sarvajñatāsārabhṛtaṁ prapadye nissīmakāruṇyanidhiṁ prapadye ||2||

asmātprapañcādadhikaṁ prapadye viśvādhikokterviṣayaṁ prapadye |
kālagrahagrāhabhayāpanutyai kṛtāntaśikṣākṛtinaṁ prapadye ||3||

vinetumārtiṁ viṣayādhvajanyāṁ vijñānamūrtiṁ dadhataṁ prapadye |
kandarpadarpajvaravāraṇāya kāmārilīlāvataraṁ prapadye ||4||

ājanmavarṇivratinaṁ prapadye kuṇḍībhṛtaṁ daṇḍadharaṁ prapadye |
brahmāsandhyānarataṁ prapadye brahmātmabhūyaṁ yatinaṁ prapadye ||5||

haraṁ prapadye vijaraṁ prapadye svatantratāyāḥ sadanaṁ prapadye |
ameyasāmarthyavahaṁ prapadye viśuddhavijñānivaraṁ prapadye ||6||

daurbhāgya tāpatraya karma moha santāpahantāramahaṁ prapadye |
yathārthasaṁkalpamapetapāpamavāptakāmaṁ viśucaṁ prapadye ||7||

manaḥ prasādaṁ bhajatāṁ dadānaṁ mugdhasmitollāsimukhaṁ prapadye |
vyathāmaśeṣāṁ vyapanīya modapradena nāmnā ramaṇaṁ prapadye ||8||

śivaṁ prapadye śivadaṁ prapadye guruṁ prapadye guṇiṇaṁ prapadye |
madīyahṛtpadmajuṣaṁ prapadye śaraṇyamīśaṁ śaraṇaṁ prapadye ||9||

prapattiṁ ramaṇasyaitāṁ tanvatāṁ tatvadarśinaḥ |
tatkratunyāyarasikāḥ tattāddaśaphalāptaye ||10||

|| prapattyaṣṭakaṁ saṁpūrṇam ||

1189
Dear Sri Balaji,

I thank you from my heart, as through you, Bhagavan gave me an opportunity to be His instrument. It truly brings a feeling of my whole being, being सार्थकं saarthakam (having meaning) It just makes me so much elated. Sri Bhagavan's grace reaches His earnest devotees, no doubt about this. His ways are mysterious abundant with grace and whose compassion surpasses ones dear mother!

What merit we have gained to have been blessed with Bhagavan's presence!

Gratitude!

Also, i will soon post the Prapatyaashtakam.

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1190
General topics / Re: Ramana Saahitya
« on: May 30, 2013, 11:11:01 AM »
                                                                    रकारोऽग्निर्ब्रह्मन् दहति सहसा सञ्चितमलं
मकारश्चन्द्रोऽयं हरति तपनं सिञ्चिति सुधाम् ।
णकारश्चार्को हन्त्यलघु निबिडाज्ञानतिमिरं
विभूतिस्त्वन्नाम्नो जयति रमणेशान जगति ॥


rakāro'gnirbrahman dahati sahasā sañcitamalaṁ
makāraścandro'yaṁ harati tapanaṁ siñciti sudhām |
ṇakāraścārko hantyalaghu nibiḍājñānatimiraṁ
vibhūtistvannāmno jayati ramaṇeśāna jagati ||


The syllable RA in your name is the seed of fire that
burns awaty all accumulated tendencies in a trice,

The syllable MA
म​ is the moon which cools down
the heat by showering nectar,

The syllable NA
ण​​ is the Sun that destroys
the dense darkness of ignorance.

Lord Ramana, the glory of Thy name spreads its
effulgence all over the world!


(Ramana Lahari)
   


1191
General topics / Re: Ramana Saahitya
« on: May 30, 2013, 10:24:00 AM »


   


कटाक्षक्षेपस्ते हरति हृदयध्वान्तमखिलं
दयादृष्टिः पूर्णा प्रकटयति विज्ञानमिहिरम् ।
ददातीषद्धास्यं प्रणतमनुजायात्मपदवीम्
अमेयस्ते धन्यो रमणमहिमा वागविषयः ॥


   

kaṭākṣakṣepaste harati hṛdayadhvāntamakhilaṁ
dayādṛṣṭiḥ pūrṇā prakaṭayati vijñānamihiram |
dadātīṣaddhāsyaṁ praṇatamanujāyātmapadavīm
ameyaste dhanyo ramaṇamahimā vāgaviṣayaḥ ||


A side glance of yours dispels darkness from the heart entirely,
the fullness of your graceful look brightens the Sun of knowledge,
your little smile brings home the reality of their selves to those who bow down to you;
Ramana, your unsurpassed glory is beyond the reach of mind or speech.


(Ramana Lahari)

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1192
What I know from my personal experience is that or I am conscious of world, dream or I am not conscious at all. Is it supposed that we have experienced sometimes the so called pure consciousness? Have any of you experienced pure consciousness even for a second?

Dear Hari,

There is no experience of Consciousness, you are Consciousness. The Self is experience-less. It is itself Experience. To experience there has to be another to experience. That which is subject to experience is not you. The Self is beyond experience. Can the Sun experience itself? can the tongue taste itself? Can the eyes see itself? Can Experience experience itself? That Thou Art!

There is no time no one is not experiencing the pure consciousness. By experience, i mean, knowing! The Pure Consciousness can never be subject to being covered by ignorance or sheaths. Can the Sun be covered by Clouds? More over that the clouds are covering the Sun is also only known because of the Sun's light only. Therefore, even when one says he is ignorant of Self or pure consciousness is not true. Even if one says he experiences the pure consciousness in breaks and few seconds and loses also is not really true.

The pure consciousness is always shining. Never hidden. It can never be not known. It is ever knowing, Even shining, It is!

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1193
As a man I need to see my reflection to know that I am a man (my face). Although the only thing that I would know is that I exist.

Consider yourself in a dark room, would you require some instrument to know that you exist? Even as reasoned by you that you would require to see a reflection to know that I am a man, is not correct as without prior knowledge of what a man is, you would never know you are man even if you see your reflection. Therefore without the interpretation of conditioned knowledge, you can never know anything!

But the Self Existence, is different, you do not need any conditional knowledge to know that you exist. That which is Self Known without the aid of any interpretation of any knowledge is Self alone, that which is the facilitator of all knowledge to exist is itself beyond any knowledge.

That Art Thou, so say the scriptures.

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1194
Today a question arised in me. What 'non-existence' would mean? What non-existence would be? What are the criteria for existence and non-existence? Is consciousness the only criteria for existence? If it is so then how to tell that we exist during deep sleep when we are unconscious? And what is unconsciousness? Is that just "lack of experience"? What do you think?

There is no "non-existence"! Even if there is "non-existence", there must be somebody to acknowledge something as "non-existence" - That can never be "non-existent"

What is, ever is! There is no time that it never was, and never will "never-be"! as the scriptures declare!

The question is what consciousness is? Some example, please.

You are consciousness, Thou Art That, Tat Tvam Asi. Prajnyaanam Brahma. Thou Art that which cognizes everything, yet remains unstained and untouched and unaffected and has no judgement or views or opinions or even a least bit of volition towards anything. That Art Thou. So say the Vedic scriptures!

You asked for an example, to facilitate that, You are that consciousness like that Sun, and your asking what consciousness is like Sun asking what is Sun, or like a man asking who is a man and so on.

Does the Sun need to see its reflection in water body to know itself?

Thou Art That

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1195
Dear Hari

Its nothing to achieve. Its simply adhering to what is truth. Seeing what is as what is. No matter what i read or where i go i am grounded in bhagavan ramana.

All teachings do not seem contrary to what bhagavan ramana has revealed.

Am no longer troubled by varieties and differences. I kn they are the same in the substratum. All becaue of His grace.

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1196
Dear Hari,

All these question will be solved when you pursue Self Enquiry. The questions that appear in the interim ought to be ignored, that is the outgoing mind ought to be pulled inward.

Unless we pursue one sadhana completely, there will be no end to doubts. As Bhagavan says, who is the doubter, that ought to be sought out.

Even when extraneous thoughts sprout up during such enquiry, do not seek to  complete the rising thought, but instead, deeply enquire within, 'To who has  this thought occurred?' No matter how many thoughts thus occur to you, if you  would with acute vigilance enquire immediately as and when each individual  thought arises to whom it has occurred, you would find it is to 'me'. If then you enquire 'Who am I?' the mind gets introverted and the rising thought also subsides. In this manner as you persevere more and more in the practice of Self-enquiry, the mind acquires increasing strength and power to abide in its Source.

(Who am I)



I have come to discern one thing, it is wise to narrow down our search to one path, (after dabbling with various thousands of paths - all valid no doubt) it is important to stick to one Guru, and trust in His words with absolute faith when you are tired of all the dabblings. All the words of all Gurus are true in their own seats. You see, we cannot travel north and south at the same time. we need to repose at one corner.

Lets take all the good things from all corners, all Gurus but submit ourselves completely to ONE GURU and His words alone, be it Chaitanya, or Ramakrishna or Ramana or Shankara or Jesus or Prophet.

I realise that it is very important to travel in one path, however we may be diverse from within, accepting all paths and faiths. We have to stick to one path.

If we want to compare the words of all Gurus in one platform, then there is going to be difference, it would not be wise on our part to compare these two in terms of what they say.

While pursuing Self Enquiry, half way, if we jump to Ramakrishna or Chaitanya or Jesus then it is only causing you harm and confusion and moreoever you are not doing justice to any sadhana or in surrendering to any Guru completely.

Hoewever it is wise to see the converging point, in all these different views, the source being one and the same, no matter wherever we go the Sun is the same, it does not change according to the paths and views.

Final Message: Stick to one path, one Guru. Ultimately it will be the same truth of all paths, just addressed in different words, and reached in different path and with different views. Realise your own truth!

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1197
Dear Hari, Jewel,

Let me reproduce the right way of seeing the ocean analogy. This was said by Chandrashekhara Bharati Swamiji of Sringeri to Abhinava Vidyatheertha Swamiji just before he was taking up Sanyasa Asrama.

“While getting up to walk one should think ‘a wave has risen up in the great ocean of Atma. That wave is moving forward. There is no difference between the wave and the ocean.’ While walking one should think ‘I am a wave in the ocean of Atma – I am a wave in the ocean of bliss.’ One should always, even while talking to someone, bring up this thought repeatedly. While sitting one should think ‘I am a bead strung on the thread of Chaitanya (Conscious). A bead has been strung in the thread of wisdom and none can remove this bead. The thread has been made of Chaitanya that cannot be cut. I am verily that bead.’ While lying down one should think ‘I am now immersed in the ocean of bliss.’”

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1198
Look at this story:

Two persons Ram and Rahim, who were travelling, decide to take a break on the way under a tree. Rahim said to Ram, first let me sleep for some time while you remain awake to take care of our belongings and then, I will remain awake while you sleep so that I can have an eye on our luggage.

Rahim goes into sleep immediately. He has a dream where, he sees a thief break into his house and break open his locker and steals all his jewelry and huge cash, and seeing this, Rahim is shocked and begins to shout "Thief, Thief"  The thief, having bundled all the jewelry and cash in bag and flees and also hits Rahim a nice two blows.

Ram who was awake all through, sees Rahim shout "Thief, Thief, somebody please help" from sleep.

Now, Ram who is awake, would he run somewhere to catch the thief as mentioned by Rahim or would he wake him up from sleep? Would he not wake him from sleep? and upon waking, Rahim realises that it was all only a dream. There was no thief, no jewelry, no money.

In the same way. When he was waken up at that very moment, the dream ended. That "awakening" is what is called "GRACE" To get this Grace, Krupai, we need a Guru, an Acharya. It becomes a necessity. This awakening cannot happen from an ordinary center, but only from a one who has that "Anubhuti" just like how one Light can only light another light.


The previous experience that you talk about is as good as just a dream. there is nothing to exclude in the end. And Bhagavan and scriptures keep saying that we are complete, already and that there is no ignorance really.

Even the existence of ignorance that we talk about also is only known because of the Supreme Self, just as we know that the clouds are hiding the Sun, but sun's own light.

At all times, there is no time the Self is not known or have we remained unrealized at any time.

All that changes is unreal and that which is the substratum of all changes is alone real. Just as the different stages of life, child, youth, middle age, old age, the Self has remained the Same, unchanged, what has changed is not the Self.

The main issue here is yet again the strong identification with our bodies. We look keeping the body as the centre, but if we look keeping the Self as the centre, then the whole perception and idea changes, or breaks down.

If you reason out keeping the body as the centre, then there is no permanence. When you say permanence, what really do you mean? does it mean preservation of the body for ever? what is permanence?

realizing the ocean means the ocean and the waves are not different, only names or words are creating dualities here.

Hari, i personally believe strongly and rather convincingly that our questions are more important. I see that there are many layers and multiple questions generally when you post. Based on my own experience, if you sort out your questions then the journey becomes clearer. Rather, if you are clear about what is it that you really want, then you will be much closer.

It helps, what do you (we) really want? Do you want Self realisation? what do you want to know.

:)

Finally, do not try to realise Advaita Truth, realise your own truth, your own truth may be dvaita or visishtadvaita or something else. The bottomline is you have to realise your truth. all these spiritual jargons come later, as Bhagavan says first realise your Atma.

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1199
Dear Hari,

your reasoning is quite valid, but if we carefully reason out silently and really look into it further, as this verse from Dakshinamurthy Stotram, it may bring out clarity that you are looking:

विश्वं दर्पणदृश्यमाननगरीतुल्यं निजान्तर्गतं
पश्यन्नात्मनि मायया बहिरिवोद्भूतं यथा निद्रया ।
यः साक्षात्कुरुते प्रबोधसमये स्वात्मानमेवाद्वयं
तस्मै श्रीगुरुमूर्तये नम इदं श्रीदक्षिणामूर्तये ॥१॥


Vishvam Darpanna-Drshyamaana-Nagarii-Tulyam Nija-Antargatam
Pashyann-Aatmani Maayayaa Bahir-Ivo[a-U]dbhuutam Yathaa Nidrayaa |
Yah Saakssaat-Kurute Prabodha-Samaye Sva-[A]atmaanam-Eva-Advayam
Tasmai Shrii-Guru-Muurtaye Nama Idam Shrii-Dakssinnaamuurtaye ||1||

Meaning:

(Salutations to Sri Dakshinamurthy Who Awakens the Glory of the Atman within us through His Profound Silence)

1.1: The Entire World is Like a City Seen within a Mirror, the Seeing happening within One's Own Being,
1.2: It is a Witnessing happening within the Atman, (the Witnessing) of the Externally Projected World; Projected by the Power of Maya; As if a Dream in Sleep,
1.3: One Experiences this Directly (this Play of Maya) during Spiritual Awakening within the Non-Dual Expanse of One's Own Atman,
1.4: Salutations to Him, the Personification of Our Inner Guru Who Awakens This Knowledge through His Profound Silence; Salutation to Sri Dakshinamurthy.

(greenmesg.org/)



It should also be noted and become aware off that the words used such as merging, witnessing, etc... are only used to put across the idea for mere communication purposes, and they are used clearly in a relative sphere alone. We have also known repeatedly how words fail to reach the Self, as the Self is beyond any words and no words can really be successful in attributing the Self.

Also, these words and communication that go here are only to kindle the insight and intuition further so that we just awaken to the wonderous all powerful Self that we truly are.

It has to be remembered that the eye cannot see itself, moreover, what we see, is not there during deep sleep. These points are useful for our contemplation.

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1200
Dear Hari,

Self has no state, it is beyond any state. All states pertain only to the mind alone. We can say, the Self is merely just a witness to all states. Sat-chit-ananda is not a state, it simply is represents the Self, or we can say it is just yet another name of Self.

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