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Dear Sri Anil ji,

Here is a quote from Bhagavan from Who am I, 17, what i wished to convey in my post previously:

If one resorts to contemplation of the Self unintermittently, until the Self is gained, that alone would do.

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Dear friend, there is no scope for conceptual thinking in the Direct Path. It is adequate if we cling to the consciousness or the feeling ‘I’ uninterruptedly till the very end. Such attention to the feeling ‘I’, which is daily common experience of one and all, is what is meant by the Self-attention. Remember: Attending to first person is equal to committing suicide.

Sri Anil Ji,

The above observation of yours prompts me to present my thoughts here. While yes, it is in a way true and in spirit that

It is adequate if we cling to the consciousness or the feeling ‘I’ uninterruptedly till the very end."

This however i feel is not the real essence. The sadhaka must not forget that the purpose of clinging on to the feeling 'I' or consciousness or the source is to realise the Self alone, and not to carry on this Self attention till an end (there is no end as we know). This must not be forgotten any moment. Once the Self is realised, there is no more necessity for even clinging or any further effort or exertion.

Yes, on one hand there is a possibility that once even we may have a glimpse and so on but on accord of our vasanas or tendencies, we may lose that recognition, hence until there is absolute recognition without an iota of any doubts, there would end all efforts. There will be no more need to do anything. There is no need even to cling on to this consciousness. Upon the realisation of That, there is no possibility of losing it, forgetting it.

Once the Sun is known, there is no need further for another light to know (see) the Sun. The Sun can never be hidden thereafter, even if we may want to try.

The Lakshya or the goal ought not to be forgotten, for we can carry on the enquiry for ever and ever, and even remain untouched untroubled by the world and so on, yet, the realisation of True Self may not have arisen sheerly due to the reason of the sadhaka's forgetfulness of the Lakshya.

The goal is realisation of Self, not even the persistence of the Sadhana.

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General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: August 09, 2013, 12:19:29 PM »


A true devotee has no desire. He does not care for money.
Money comes to him of itself.


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General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: August 09, 2013, 12:01:34 PM »




'But it is my desire that a boy with sincere love
for God should always remain with me.
Give me such a boy.'

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General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: August 09, 2013, 11:45:33 AM »


   





'Mother, if I do not find the devotees I'll surely die.
Please bring them to me immediately.'

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General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: August 09, 2013, 11:34:03 AM »


You are my very own, my relative; otherwise,
why should you come here so frequently?

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: August 09, 2013, 11:16:42 AM »
stray thoughts...

what happens during deep sleep?

What is seen is recollected.

Dream state:

When we dream, then the dream is recollected in waking state.

Waking State:

We see, recollect as it is, as we see.

Deep Sleep State:

Since nothing is seen, nothing is recollected ---> This is recollected, that there was nothing. You recollected that there was nothing to recollect.

The Self ever is. That same self in sushupti is ever present even in waking state, undisturbed.

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General topics / Re: Aadi Pooram (Aashada Purva phalguni) - 9.8.2013
« on: August 09, 2013, 11:07:35 AM »

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Karma
« on: August 09, 2013, 10:46:41 AM »
whosoever's prarabdha karma is stronger in getting the job will get the job :)

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General topics / Re: Some questions about Hindu mythology
« on: August 09, 2013, 10:42:05 AM »
Jyothi,

regarding Dowry, let me present you the following excerpt:

Dowry was not a part of the Indian marriage before European influence crept into the society. The earliest example of Europeans practicing the dowry in India, the case of Mumbai, which was presented as part of the dowry when Princess Catherine de Braganza of Portugal was married to King Charles II in 1661. The native population disliked practicing dowry, as they believed that this would lead "obliged to buy them husbands". Writes Alex Knox, when addressed to David Doig, Lord Provost of Montrose,

"As I observed before, their marriages are all conducted by the parents during the parties infancy, the expence of this ceremoney, which is considerable according to the ranks of the persons married, is always from the bridegroom's family, nor is it customary to give any fortunes with their daughters, because it should not be said they were obliged to buy them husbands, for this custom it seems they despise the Europeans very much."

(Wikipedia)

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General topics / Re: Some questions about Hindu mythology
« on: August 09, 2013, 10:34:44 AM »
Jyothi,

it appears you seem to gather information from unauthentic sources. It is important to be sure about the source and their reputation and credibility. There are innumerable sources for information in the web, but most of them are bogus and spread wrong facts.

Your observation that Hindus do not want daughters is untrue. I am not able to yet to figure out which God did not want daughters. But a general fact that yes, families prayed fervently for sons and not daughters since 12th or 13th century till the end of 18th century because of dreaded invasions who forcibly took away the girls from homes and sometimes even deserted later and so on. These fears led families to a fear in having daughters and they naturally preferred sons.

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General topics / Re: why jains hate Lord Shiva so much
« on: August 08, 2013, 07:24:20 PM »
இன்பம் பயந்தாங் கிழிவு தலைவரினும்
இன்பத்தின் பக்கம் இருந்தைக்க – இன்பம்
ஒழியாமை கண்டாலும் ஓங்கருவி நாட!
பழியாகா ஆறே தலை.


Ongaruvi naada! – O owner of the land where there are bountiful rivers!
Inbam payanthu – That which gives pleasure, delight
Aangu izhivu thalaivarinum – and then gives misery
Inbatthin pakkam irunthaikka – You focus on the delight only
Ozhiyamai kandalum – Even if you find something giving nothing but joy
Pazhiyaga Aare – that which will not bring blame to you
thalai – is the right choice.

கல்லாது போகிய நாளும், பெரியவர்கண்
செல்லாது வைகிய வைகலும், – ஓல்வ
கொடாஅ தொழிந்த பகலும், உரைப்பின்
படாஅவாம் பண்புடையார் கண்.


“Days that are spent without learning, not visiting elderly people to pay respect, not giving to those who deserve it, if to be stated, will not be seen among people of good breeding.

(Naaladiyar)

"There's no knowledge without right faith,
No conduct is possible without knowledge,
Without conduct, there's no liberation,
And without liberation, no deliverance."

'Endowed with conduct and discipline,
Who practices control of self,
Who throws out all his bondage,
He attains the eternal place."

All unenlightened persons produce sufferings. Having become deluded,
they produce and reproduce sufferings, in this endless world.

The unenlightened takes millions of lives
to extirpate the effects of karma whereas a man
possessing spiritual knowledge and discipline
obliterates them in a single moment.

Those who are ignorant of the supreme purpose of life will
never be able to attain nirvana (liberation) in spite of their
observance of the vratas (vows) and niymas (rules) of religious conduct
and practice of shila (celibacy) and tapas (penance).

Sow now you can infer if the religion that gives such profound teachings would at any time indulge in some politics?


Mahavira

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General topics / Re: why jains hate Lord Shiva so much
« on: August 08, 2013, 07:20:43 PM »
Krishnan,

If i am not wrong, many great tamil scriptures are from Jain monks. Some say Thiruvalluvar was also a jain. there is this wonderful "Naaladiyar" it is a jain work

This Naaladiyar is most excellent work. Perhaps Subramanian Sir or Sri Ravi can bring more light.

Discard the politcs and history happenings, taste the real Rasa essence of Jains.

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General topics / Re: why jains hate Lord Shiva so much
« on: August 08, 2013, 07:15:46 PM »
my response may not have satisfied your query, but merely laid down them.

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General topics / Re: why jains hate Lord Shiva so much
« on: August 08, 2013, 07:14:06 PM »
Dear Krishnan,

many details are mere politics. Bottomline is

Jains don't hate shiva or gods or other religions or beliefs and vice verse (hindus)

Jain is a baby of Vedic.

Jains are wonderful people, great religion, preaches the same atma jnanam.

Mahavira, was a great soul whose story is greatly inspiring.

there is truly no talk of holy or unholy really.

why this taste for politics? vasana... :)

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