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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 24, 2015, 04:38:37 PM »
Just saw this post in Facebook ( in one of the various Bhagavan Ramana Pages in FB and sharing the same here .

Whatever you put first in your life that's what you ultimately become.

It's really interesting how many people want to be enlightened, to be self-realized and yet when you look into their lives, they put

everything else first. By putting everything else first, I mean they worry about their jobs, about their families or about the world

situation. They concern themselves about their happiness, about the future, about the past. How can you possibly wake up when you have

all these things on your mind?

And another thing that is funny to me is, all the holidays we take, vacations. Someone called me the other day and asked me, "How much

longer will it be before I awaken? And by the way, I'm going to Acapulco for a memorial day."

Well this an enigma to me. I recall when I was about 13, 14, 15 years old I wanted this so much that I used to have to sneak out of the

house to go listen to Joel Goldsmith speak, back in New York. And in the winter time I had to take a train and a bus and a train again.

It took me about two and half hours to get downtown. But something in me was driving me toward spiritual people.

What I'm getting at is this: Whatever you put first in your life that's what you ultimately become.

- Robert, a great disciple of Sri Bhagavan

Source : Facebook

General topics / Re: Thirukural Thread
« on: January 24, 2015, 01:01:10 PM »
Dear Sri Ravi & Others

I know about Sage TGN's views on Thirukural and I suggest that when you have time you write his explanations on the same .This thread is only meant only for  Thirukural .So feel free to share any good insights , resources that you have on Thirukural .
BTW Thanks for the link to the book "Weavers Wisdom" ,I have downloaded the same .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: January 23, 2015, 10:15:31 PM »
Today, on January 23, 2015, continuing this unbroken Guru-Shisya lineage that stretches directly back to Sri Adi Shankaracharya, the 36th Jagadguru Shankaracharya of Sringeri Sharada Peetham, Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamiji anointed His successor. In a traditional ceremony, the Jagadguru initiated Brahmachari Sri Kuppa Venkateshwara Prasada Sharma into Sannyasa and bestowed upon him the Yoga Patta (monastic name) of Sri Sri Vidhushekhara Bharati.

Over 40,000 people from all corners of the country and abroad, descended upon the sacred town of Sringeri to witness this rare event. Several dignitaries from all walks of life also attended this occasion.


Brahmachari Sri Kuppa Venkateshwara Prasada Sharma was born in Tirupati in 1993 to Sri Kuppa Shivasubrahmanya Avadhani and Smt. Seetha Nagalakshmi. He belongs to the Kaundinya Gotra and is a native of Anantavaram, Guntur District, Andhra Pradesh. The Brahmachari had his Upanayanam at the age of five and began his first lessons in Krishna Yajur Veda under his grandfather and Yajur Vedic scholar, Sri Kuppa Ramagopala Vajapeyayaaji. He continued his Vedic education up to Krishna Yajur Veda Kramanta under his illustrious father, who is currently serving as Principal of TTD Veda Pathashala in Tirumala and as Project Officer in Dharma Prachara Parishad managed by TTD.

Born in a family of disciples of the Sringeri Jagadguru, the Brahmachari had accompanied his father while the latter had come to Sringeri to participate in Dharmic activities in the years 2006, 2008 and 2009. The Darshan of Jagadguru Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamiji during these visits made a profound impact on the Brahmachari. The Brahmachari expressed his desire of studying Shastras directly under the Jagadguru in early 2009. With the blessings and consent of Jagadguru Mahaswamiji, the Brahmachari took refuge under His Lotus Feet of the in June 2009. Under the tutelage of the Jagadguru, the Brahmachari mastered the Sanskrit language. Then, the Jagadguru Himself taught the Brahmachari the entire Tarka Shastra. The Brahmachari is endowed with Guru Bhakti, scholarship in the Vedas and Shastras, adherence to tradition and dispassion.

General topics / Re: Thirukural Thread
« on: January 23, 2015, 10:08:02 PM »

I am really not an authority to give my opinion on the Kurals that you have given or on  Kamathu Pal as I have not studied that .I am also a beginner only to Kural and have learned it in bits and pieces  and only now studying them properly and have started with Arathu Pal . As I said I consider Thirukural to be a very practical text that we need to use it to reflect on our own life as well as others .Just like when we feel dejected we contemplate on the wise words of our elders ,I feel Thirukural ( as well as Bhagavad Gita ) are tools for ur to reflect and apply appropriate course correction .
Also I feel the solution for one Kural will be in another chapter in another Kural and so it is better to study all the Thirukurals to get a very complete picture .
One More thing I wish to add - do not be too focussed on getting the right meaning in the first attempt itself .Keep studying the text and keep memorising the Thirukuals and these Kurals will enter your mind as divine seeds and will start yielding divine fruits in due course .That is the power of these divine texts like Thirukural , Bhagavad Gita , Thevaram , Thiruvachagam , Thiru arutpa , Bhagavan Ramana's Tamil Works etc . People go to Temples , Holy Places , Samadhis of Saints etc etc to receive the divine blessings and no doubt all these activities give divine blessings but one thing which I found effective that everyone can follow wherever they are are to study these divine texts daily with devotion and these divine texts will shower their grace of the reader .  Bhagavan Ramana may not be available in a Human form but his grace is available to us through his divine works . Same with Thirukural . The divine poets grace is there for those who study it sincerely and contemplate on  it daily . I will keep sharing my insights here as and when I progress on the same and till then keep posting others talks , views on Thirukural .

I suggest you listen to the excellent talk on Thirukural by Ilankai Jeyraj , a Tamil Eelam Saivite Spiritual Scholar

General topics / Re: Thirukural Thread
« on: January 23, 2015, 01:20:35 PM »
An Excellent site for all the Thirukurals , their Trnsliteration with their meanings in Tamil as well as English .

General topics / Re: Thirukural Thread
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:59:29 PM »
please write one kural in a post.  i think your font size is very large.

Dear Kskat

I am right now studying Thirukural along with Bhagavad Gita and once my study matures I will write my own thoughts on the same . Right now I will only be posting here others opinions and translations of Thirukural as they are also part of my continued study . I conider Thirukural more as a reflective text that one must meditate upon and reflect his/her own life according to the Kurals and see the Truth of the same . Take For example this Thiru Kural "Theeyinal sutta punn ullaarum aaraathe naavinaal sutta vadu -தீயினால் சுட்ட புண் உள்ளாறும் ஆறாதே நாவினால் சுட்ட வடு -
The wounds of fire would vanish with time but the wounds caused by words never. "
  If we reflect on this Kural and see for ourselves how we were effected by wounds caused by words of others and how we caused wounds to others through our words then we can really see the Truth of this Thirukural . The same with each and every Thirukural .
I will do my best to share as much as I can the various resources of Thirukural First and then write in my own thoughts of the same .
As regards Fonts I deliberatly keep it big and highlight the key points accordingly as I found many Senior Citizens have diifculty in reading the small texts and want it big enough so that they can read it clearly even at a distance . That is one of the reasons why I also keep my posts quite short but with big fonts .

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: January 21, 2015, 05:03:40 PM »
Swami Krishnananda on real Charity

Charity of things is of less consequence than possession of charitable feelings, and resorting to charitable speech, charitable demeanour, and charitable actions through a general charitable temperament. This is, in short, what is called self-sacrifice, for it involves parting with some part of the delights of the ego.- Swami Krishnananda

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: January 20, 2015, 07:32:01 AM »
Swami Sivananda on the importance of doing Collective Sadhana

Collective sadhana such as common meditation, common prayer, common San Kirtan, Pra bahati Pheri, Likit Japa, and Akhanda Kirtan in groups, Gita or Ramayan Patek are more potent and effective than individual Sadhana.
When people join together and practice common meditation or San Kirtan, you get the combined or massive effect produced by the simultaneous efforts of all those who take part in the common spiritual Sadhana. A large amount of spiritual force flows in.
- Therefore do collective Sadhana. - Swami Sivananda

General topics / Re: Maha Kavi Bharati's Birthday - 11.12.2014
« on: January 20, 2015, 06:26:30 AM »
By the way, Swami O is doing the amazing job of bringing Tamil works into vedantic study.. his Kaivalya Navaneetham lectures on on youtube for those interested. After all, Bhagawan recommended it too.


What you say is true . Swami Omkarananda  is doing a great work in delivering Vedanta Lectures in Tamil and also commenting on some great Tamil Works like Kaivalya Navaneetham and I have the complete work in Audio CDs .
Though I follow Swami Paramarthanandas Vedanta Lectures in English ,I also like Swami Omkarananda as I find many useful information about our Sanathanana Dharma , Vedic rituals , Temple worship , our festivals ,our culture in his talks .

Don?t regard the abidance in the ?I am? as a part-time activity. You must have a life long commitment to get yourself established in it. - Annamalai Swami

General topics / Re: Thirukural Thread
« on: January 17, 2015, 11:48:54 AM »
PM Modi releases Gujarati translation of 'Thirukkural'

Source :

New Delhi: Prime Minister Narendra Modi Friday released a Gujarati translation of Thiruvalluvar`s "Thirukkural", which holds a prime place among the classical Tamil literary works, an official statement said.

Friday was also observed as `Thiruvalluvar Day` dedicated to celebrated Tamil poet and philosopher, it said.
"I bow to the great Thiruvalluvar. Simple and vast in scope, his thoughts and writings have been a strong influence on humanity for centuries," Modi said on the occasion.

"The ideas expressed in `Thirukkural` are so universal that even after almost two millennia they are still relevant and revered. `Thirukkural` does not refer to any nation, leader, society, language, religion or caste in the entire book, which is why it has been called the universal Veda."

The Central Institute of Classical Tamil, an institute under the human resource development ministry, has taken up the mission of bringing out the "Thirukkural" in all Indian languages in which it has not been translated so far. The institute also proposes to launch an e-version of the book shortly.

The Gujarati translation has been done by P. C. Kokila, born in Gujarat, a professor of Hindi, and a resident of Tamil Nadu.

General topics / Re: Thirukural Thread
« on: January 16, 2015, 07:37:51 PM »
Many consider Thirukural to be an anti vedic , anti sanskrit , anti brahmin book especially by the Dravidian Parties in TN . Here is a link to the views of Thirukural by a Vedic , Sanskrit Scholar and he has found lot of similarities between Thirukural and Vedic Teachings:

General topics / Re: Thirukural Thread
« on: January 16, 2015, 07:34:26 PM »
Other facts of Thirukural :

All the Kurals have only 7 words and thus all the 1330 ThiruKuraLs fit within 140 characters. So we could say Thiruvalluvar, the author of ThirukuraL is world's 1st Tweeter!

The word 'Tamil' never occurs in any of the Kurals even once. Rightly making it as 'Ulaga Podhu Marai' (common to all irrespective of language,culture and ethnicity)

The word 'kadavul' does not appear in thirukkural

General topics / Thirukural Thread
« on: January 16, 2015, 07:27:20 PM »
Today i.,e  Fri 16 Jan 2015 Thiruvalluvar Day I have started an exclusive thread to discuss about Thirukural , the great text given by Saint Thiruvalluvar for the entire Humanity .Tiruvalluvar Day marks the birth anniversary of the immortal Tamil Poet-Saint Thiruvalluvar. He is the author of Kural or Thirukural, a poetic composition of 1330 verses , a great antiquity in Tamil Literature which can be termed as a treatise on the art of living a happy and peaceful life.Thiruvalluvar in Thirukural diagnoses the intricacies of human nature and one will be captivated by his thorough knowledge of human psychology. Many of his insights on human mind are yet to be studied by modern psychology. His advices on various topics are sagacious and practical and are relevant in all times. Each new generation is attracted to his teachings in the Thirukural as it is not hampered by prejudice or dogma of any kind.

Here  are some facts of Thirukural .

Source :

1. Out of the 247 Tamil alphabets, just 37 have been used in the Thirukural
2. The only two flowers in the book are Anicham (Scarlet Pimpernel) and Kuvalai (Cup Flower)
3. Nezlhunji fruit is the only fruit featuring in the book
4. The only seed featuring in the book is, Kundrimani (Crab?s eye tree)
5. The two trees featuring in the boor are Palm and Bamboo.
6. The alphabet featuring the most times is ?னி? it features 1705 times.
7. The letters featuring only once are ளீ,ங .
8. The two words that are not used in the thirukural are தமிழ்(Tamil), கடவுள்(A word meaning God in Tamil).
9. The  first Tirukkural and Naladiyar texts published. This was by  Gnanaprakasam in 1812 and printed at the Masadinacaritai Printers in  Madras.
10. Total no of words is 14,000.
11. Total no of letters is 42,194.
12. Out of 247 letters,37 letters never used.
13. Number 9 never used.
14. The word 'Kodi' (Crore) used in 7 places.
15. The word '70 kodi' appears only once.
16. Translated into 26 Languages.
17. Translated into English by 40 authors.

These are the 5 Thirukkural?s that wont touch lips.

 இறந்தார் இறந்தார் அனையர் சினத்தைத்
 துறந்தார் துறந்தார் துணை

 Iṟantār iṟantār aṉaiyar ciṉattait
 Tuṟantār tuṟantār tuṇai


 யாதனின் யாதனின் நீங்கியான் நோதல்
 அதனின் அதனின் இலன்

 Yātaṉiṉ yātaṉiṉ nīṅkiyāṉ nōtal
 Ataṉiṉ ataṉiṉ ilaṉ


 எய்தற்கு அரியது இயைந்தக்கால் அந்நிலையே
 செய்தற்கு அரிய செயல்

 Eytaṟku ariyatu iyaintakkāl annilaiyē
 Ceytaṟku ariya ceyal


 நோக்கினாள் நோக்கெதிர் நோக்குதல் தாக்கணங்கு
 தானைக்கொண் டன்னது உடைத்து

 Nōkkiṉāḷ nōkketir nōkkutal tākkaṇaṅku
 Tāṉaikkoṇ ṭaṉṉatu uṭaittu


 தனியே இருந்து நினைத்தக்கால் என்னைத்
 தினிய இருந்ததுஎன் நெஞ்சு

 Taṉiyē iruntu niṉaittakkāl eṉṉait
 Tiṉiya iruntatu?eṉ ne?cu

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 15, 2015, 07:03:56 AM »

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