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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 29, 2014, 09:03:58 PM »

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 28, 2014, 10:26:42 AM »
Papaji : There is a river of thought-waves.
Everyone is being washed downstream.
Everyone is clinging to these thoughts and being washed away.

Just give rise to the single thought, "I want to be free."
This thought will rarely come out of the entire population.
The entire population of the planet is moving downstream.
They are not destined to give rise to the thought,
"I want to be enlightened in this very span of time."

So I call this thought of freedom going against the stream and towards the source. It does not require any effort to give rise to this thought. The thought "I want to be free" is itself free.
This thought will take you to freedom.
It is the most rare thought.
Out of the entire population of 6 billion, only a handful give rise to this thought.

Q : Master, I have been with you four days now, and l am still not enlightened.

Papaji : (laughing) Yes, i am surprised, a smart boy like you.

Q : What should I do?

Papaji : Let me tell you what my teacher told me.
Just be quiet.
This quiet does not involve talking or not talking.
It does not involve any doing whatsoever.
Just let the mind fall into si?lence.
This is enough.

Now wait. I can't believe what you just said to him.
I?ve been trained to think that it takes years and years of practice and life times of training and hard work to reach liberation.
Now you say it?s simple a switch on the wall,
a change of perception. Is that correct?

You need not switch on or off.
For the sun to shine do you switch it on?

Q : No.

Papaji : Just like this.
This light is always there.
No switches at all.
The sun has no switches.
You turn your face away and you call it night.
Sun has no night and no day. You are that sun.
This is your own light and you are that.
You don't need any switches.
The switches are limitations.
You have fixed these limitations yourself.
Nature has not fixed any switches.

"I want this, I want that. I dislike this, I like that."
If you remove this switch of like and dislike, how will you feel?
Instantly you will be free.

Likes and dislikes keep you in bondage and suffering.
There are no walls for the switches either.
Walls are imaginary only, like walls between countries.
You have constructed this wall between you and something else.
You have to break this which does not exist.
The frontier you have created is the suffering.
You have to demolish it by yourself. Nobody will help you.

Q : What do you mean, Nobody will help you?

Papaji : The Self has to help the Self; nobody else can help.
Who else will drop this wall? You have to help yourself.
Find out, is it possible to be out of the Self, ever?

First say, "I want help." Then discover who needs help.
Self is not suffering. Self is not in bondage.
Self is ever free.
So you are saying it is the mind clinging to the wall that is suffering ?

Yes. Who has created separation?

Mind has created separation, and no mind will remove this separation. The separation doesn't exist.
Even to say "I am separate" is a joke.

It is only when there is a need for understanding that there is something to be understood. Once some of Krishnamurti's students came here to see me.
They said there is only one difference between our teachings.
They said, "Krishnamurti removes concepts from the vessel and
Poonjaji breaks the vessel altogether." (laughs)

So allow yourself some time, a couple of moments.
And in those moments there should be no trespassing.
Make available a few seconds and during this span nobody should trespass. I think you could well afford to be available for a few moments. You have spent all your life for others,
and not even a minute for your Self.

Everyone possesses you.
When you are born, your parents say you are "my son."
Go to school next and you're "my student.''
Then marry and you're "my husband."
Have children and you're "my father."
Remove these possessions.
Let no one possess you.
Reject everything and see what happens.

You have to devote some time for your Self, either now or some other lifetime. You have to reach your home.
There is no escape.
You have to return home, either now or tomorrow.
You must decide if you want to play more.
It doesn't matter. In the end, it doesn't matter.

You think it is taking time.
It is no time that you are spending because you are already free;
it is only your illusion that you are not.
You have to allow time, once and for all, if you want to be happy.

The moment you declare "I AM FREE!"--
standing on the mountaintop of your toes, arms up Eureka!
There is the happy moment.
Very happy moment.

~ Papaji From Wake UP and Roar Satsang with H.W.L. Poonja Book

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: October 26, 2014, 10:25:21 PM »
From the book "Mind Its Mysteries & Control by Swami Sivananda " in Chapter -14 Samskaras

Try to acquire some good spiritual Samskaras in this birth at least, if you are not able to
devote all your time in spiritual pursuit. Do some kind of meditation for a short time at least daily,
say for half an hour in the morning and evening.
Have a meditation room. Make some kind of Japa
of any Mantra. Study the Gita regularly. Have Satsanga. Visit Rishikesh, Nasik, Varanasi,
Haridwar, Prayag once a year for a week?s stay.
Have the Darshana of Mahatmas. By doing so, you
will acquire some spiritual Samskaras which will be a valuable spiritual asset for a new, good life.
You will have a very good birth. You will be placed in suitable environments in the next birth for
unfolding the Divinity that is lurking in your heart, for practice of Yoga. All opportunities and
facilities will be given to you by God, through His grace (Isvara-Kripa) for your spiritual Sadhana.

Even by a little systematic spiritual practice (Yogabhyasa and Vedantic Sadhana), you can change
your mentality, your old vicious Samskaras. You can cut short several future births. By practice for
three years, you can free yourself from the clutches of births and deaths. You are bound to become a
Sannyasin. Why not now in this very birth? Why don?t you cut short the cycle of unnecessary births
and consequent miseries? How long do you want to be a slave of the world, a slave of passions and
Indriyas? Wake up now. Do Sadhana and get immortality.
Rouse the self by the Self.

New, healthy Samskaras can be implanted by new, healthy suggestions. Suppose your brain
is a plank in which are driven nails which represent the ideas, habits and instincts which determine
your actions. If you find that there exists in you a bad idea, a bad habit, a bad instinct,?a bad nail, as
it were, in the plank of your mind?you should take another, viz., a good idea, habit or instinct,
place it on the top of the bad one and give a hard tap with a hammer. In other words, you should
make a healthy, useful suggestion. The new nail will be driven in perhaps a fraction of an inch while
the old one will come out to the same extent. At each fresh blow with the hammer, that is to say, at
each fresh suggestion, the one will be driven in a little further and the other will be driven out just
that much until, after a certain number of blows, the old habits will be completely replaced by the
new habits, new ideas. It demands, doubtless, strenuous efforts. It needs constant repetition of the
new, healthy suggestions. Habit is second nature. But, pure, irresistible, determined will is bound to
succeed eventually.
When you repeat OM or the Mahavakya of the Upanishads Aham Brahma Asmi  once,
one Samskara of the idea that I am Brahman or the Absolute? is formed in the subconscious mind.

The object in doing Japa or silent repetition of OM 21,600 times daily is to strengthen this Samskara

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 25, 2014, 12:20:11 PM »

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: October 25, 2014, 12:18:00 PM »
?Yoga is a life of self-discipline built upon the tenets of simple living and high thinking.? ? Swami Vishnu-devananda

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 22, 2014, 07:04:04 PM »
The often misunderstood self-enquiry

That everything is in the mind and that the mind itself is only a passing phenomenon was continually stressed by Bhagavan.

"Who is the one behind the mind?" he would ask repeatedly. "Find that one and the mind itself will automatically disappear."

To do this one must repeatedly seek out the source of the "I" by the enquiry "Who am I?".

This process has often been misunderstood, though actually Bhagavan's teaching is quite clear. In this search one is not to seek for some transcendental "I-Absolute", but the ego itself and the point where it arises. Find this, [and] the ego automatically drops away and one then knows there is nothing but the Self.

It is like following a stream to its source through the hills, and when one has reached that point whence it arises the stream itself will no longer exist.

~ Sadhu Arunachala, A Sadhu's Reminiscences

General Discussion / Re: Happy Deepavali - 2014.
« on: October 22, 2014, 03:40:19 PM »

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 22, 2014, 11:17:46 AM »
Osho's view on Diwali Celebrations

"Once a year we celebrate Diwali, the festival of lights, and light many lamps in the darkness. But our life is dry and dull; and it is just because this is so that man has had to create festivals. The birds, the beasts, the plants, the rivers, the waterfalls ? they have neither Holi nor Diwali. It is because man is sick that he is satisfied with just one Diwali. One Diwali is just a consolation. So on that day we have new clothes, the firecrackers, the lighted lamps ? and then we return to the same gloominess, the same prison, the same misery, the same anxiety.

When Holi comes, and we sing and dance, breaking all bounds and throwing off our normal codes of conduct ? on that day we throw all our morality, rules and etiquette to the winds; for one day our river flows, breaking all disciplines. But do you think that a river that flows for one day of the year is going to reach the ocean? And even this one day is only an apology for the real flowing; it is just a mockery of our real selves.

Look at nature: there existence is enjoying Holi every day and celebrating Diwali daily. In nature the colors flow afresh every day, new flowers open each morning. Even before the old leaves fall, the new buds are bursting out and the new shoots are springing up. The festival does not stop even for a moment ? it is nonstop, every moment is Diwali. Such will be the life of a religious person: he will be festive each moment. He is grateful that he is. His every breath is an expression of gratitude and benediction.

~ Osho - Book: Nowhere To Go But In, Chapter 3

General Discussion / Re: Happy Deepavali - 2014.
« on: October 22, 2014, 08:32:18 AM »

General Discussion / Re: Articles,Interviews,News
« on: October 14, 2014, 08:09:06 PM »

Swami Shantananda Puri Maharaj , a staunch devotee of Sri Ramana Maharshi and a resident of Sri Ramanasramam passed away on October 14, 2014 at about 1:30PM. His enlightened and inspiring presence at the ashram will be missed by one and all.
Swamiji came to Sri Ramanasramam nearly four decades ago and was a permanent resident of the ashram. He has written ?Sadhanas from Guru Vachaka Kovai?, ?Sadhanas from Devi Kalottaram? and ?Sadhanas from Sri Ramana Gita? and many other books. He has also composed 108 names (ashtotram) on Sri Ramana Maharshi?s mother in Sanskrit which is available as an ashram publication. Swamiji has been compared to Nachiketas for having defied death several years ago and returning from the abode of death after medicos gave up hope.
His Holiness Sri Swami Shantananda Puri Maharaj of Vasishta Guha (Himalayas), was born on 6th May, 1928, in Tiruvaiyaru (the land of five rivers), Tamil Nadu, India. Swamiji is a disciple of Parma poojya Sri Swami Purushottamananda Puri Maharaj, who was the disciple of Swami Brahmananda (the great disciple of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa). Swamiji is a scholar par excellence in vedic scriptures as well as in the puranic texts. His simplicity, transparent deep faith in the divine force and absolute surrender to the Supreme has made him an ideal combination of Jnana and Bhakti.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 12, 2014, 01:02:31 PM »
ஆசாரம் என்றால் என்ன?- முக்கூர் லட்சுமி நரசிம்மாச்சாரி சொன்னவர்-இந்திரா சௌந்த்ரராஜன்.

என் தாய்மாமாவின் மிக நெருங்கிய நண்பராய் திருமுக்கூர் அவர்கள் எனக்கும் அறிமுகமாகி, ஒரு மாதகாலம் மார்கழியில் திருப்பாவையும் பாகவதமும் சொற்பொழிவாக அருளினார்.

அவரது அழுத்தமான கருத்துக்களும், சொல்லாற்றலும் பெரும் கூட்டத்தை கூட்டிவிட்டது. அந்த மார்கழி மாதத்தை வாழ்நாளில் மறக்கமுடியாது.

அவரோடு அவரது தர்மபத்தினியாரும் தங்கி இருந்தார். திருமுக்கூர் ஆசார சீலர் ஆனதால் மனைவி கையாலன்றி வெளியே உண்ணமாட்டார்.

இதுகுறித்து நான் கேட்டேன். இப்படி நடந்து கொள்வதுதான் ஆசாரமா? இதில் மற்றவர்கள் சமைப்பது எல்லாம் ஒரு மாற்றுக்குறைவு என்கிற ஒரு எண்ணம் ஒளிந்திருக்கிறதே. சுகாதாரமாக யார் சமைத்துத் தந்தாலும் சாப்பிடுவதில் தவறு இல்லைதானே?" என்று அவரிடம் கேட்டேன். இந்த கேள்விக்கு அவர் சொன்ன பதில்தான், ஆசாரம் என்றால் என்ன என்பதற்கான தெளிவை எனக்குள் ஏற்படுத்தியது.

?ஆசாரம் என்பதற்கு ஆண்டவனின் சாரம் என்றும் பொருள் கொள்ளலாம். பெரிய சாரம் - அதாவது அரிதான ஒழுகு முறை அல்லது வழி நடப்பது என்று பொருள் கொள்ளலாம்.

அப்படி நடப்பதில் நிறைய நுட்பங்கள் இருக்கின்றன. மனைவி கையால் உண்பதற்கும், பிறர் கையால் உண்பதற்கும் இடையே நீங்கள் சுகாதரத்தை அடிப்படையாக வைத்து பார்த்தீர்கள். இங்கே அதுவல்ல விஷயம். மனைவி என்பவள் கணவனின் சுகதுக்கங்களில் பங்கு உடையவள். அவர்கள் ஒருவரை ஒருவர் சார்ந்து வாழ்பவர்கள் இவர்கள் பிரிந்து வாழ்வதுதான் தவறு - பாபம்!

இப்படி கடப்பாடுடைய மனைவி கையால் உண்பதற்கும் பிறர் கையால் (அது அக்கம்பக்கம் ஹோட்டல் என்று எதுவாக வேண்டுமானால் இருக்கலாம்) சாப்பிடுவதற்கும் வேற்றுமை உள்ளது.

நம் பசியை போக்குபவர் யாராக இருந்தாலும் அவர்கள் தெய்வத்துக்கு சமம். அப்படிப்பட்டவரின் நன்றிக்கு நம் உரியவராகி விடுகிறோம். அவருக்கு நம் வாழ்நாளில் பதில் நன்றியை காட்டாவிட்டால் அது பாவம். ஆனால், அவர்களுக்கு அது புண்ணியம். சாப்பிட்டதற்கு நாம் பணம் தரலாம். அது அரிசி பருப்புக்கு சரியாக இருக்கும். அவர்கள் காட்டிய அன்புக்கு?
என்னைப் போல் ஊருக்கு ஊர் போய் கதை சொல்லும் ஒரு உபன்யாசகன், தன் வாழ்நாளில் இப்படி பல பேர் கையால் சாப்பிட நேரிட்டு அவர்களுக்கு கடமைப்பட்டவர்களாக மாறும் ஒரு அமைப்பு இதனாலே உருவாகிவிடுகிறது. ஆனால், என் போன்றவர்களின் வாழ்க்கை நோக்கமோ இப்பிறப்பில் நம்மால் முடிந்த நன்மைகளைச் செய்து, இதுபோன்ற நன்றிக்கடன்களில் சிக்கிக் கொள்ளாமல், பிறப்பை முடித்துக் கொள்ள வேண்டும் என்பதுதான்.

அதனால்தான் கடப்பாடுள்ள மனைவி மட்டும்போதும். புதுகடப்பாடுகளுக்கு ஆளாக வேண்டாம் என்று, அதை ஒரு ஆசார அனுஷ்டானமாகக் கொண்டுள்ளேன். இப்படி ஒவ்வொரு அனுஷ்டானம் பின்னாலும் ஒருவரது லௌகீக கோணத்துக்கு அப்பாற்பட்ட ஒரு பெரும்பொருள் உள்ளே இருக்கிறது. இதைத் தவறாக கருதி மலிவாகப் பொருள் கொள்ளவும் இடம் இருக்கிறது.

பிறர்கையால் உண்ணும் போது அவருக்கு நன்றிக் கடன்படுவது மட்டும் நிகழ்வதில்லை. அந்த கை வழியாக அவர்களின் குணநலன்களும் நமக்குள் புகும் வாய்ப்பும் உள்ளது. இப்படி நான் சொல்வதை அனுபவத்தால்தான் உணர முடியும்.

ஒரு சன்னியாசி ஒரு வீட்டில் சாப்பிட சென்றார். அன்று அந்த வீட்டுப் பெண்ணுக்கு உடல் நலமில்லை. எனவே பக்கத்து வீட்டுப்பெண் வந்து சமைத்து பரிமாறினாள். இறுதியாக வெள்ளிக் கிண்ணத்தில் பாயம் சாப்பிட்டார். சாப்பிட்டுவிட்டு அந்த வெள்ளிக் கிண்ணத்தை சன்னியாசியே தன்னோடு வைத்துக் கொண்டுவிட்டார்.

மறுநாள்தான் அவருக்கு அந்த தவறே புரிந்தது. முற்றும் துறந்த நான் ஒரு வெள்ளிக்கிண்ணத்தின் மேல் ஆசைப் பட்டுவிட்டேனே.. சே! என்ன ஒரு போதனை என்று அவர் குழம்பவும்தான் - அவருக்கு சமைத்துப்போட்ட பெண்மணிக்கு திருட்டு குணம் இருப்பது தெரியவந்தது. அவர் கையால் சாப்பிடப் போக அது சன்னியாசியையும் தொற்றிக் கொண்டது.

இப்படி சாப்பிடுவதற்கு பின்னால் நிறைய சங்கதிகள் உள்ளன. மேலோட்டமாக பார்த்து நம் விருப்பத்துக்கும் வசதிக்கும் கருத்து கூறக்கூடாது, என்று அவர் கூறவும் தான் எனக்கும் பல உண்மைகள் புரிந்தன.

இன்றைய வேகமான வாழ்க்கைப் போக்கும், பணம் சம்பாதிக்கும் நடைமுறைகளும் நம்மை பகுத்தறிவோடு கேள்வி கேட்க வைக்கின்றன. ஆனால், பகுத்தறிவுள்ள சூட்சமமான பதில்களும் உள்ளன என்பது ஏனோ நமக்குத் தெரிவதில்லை

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« on: October 11, 2014, 05:42:59 PM »
On The Bhagavad Gita by Swami Krishnananda

The whole gospel of the Bhagavadgita is nothing but the technique of the blending of knowledge and activity. We usually think that knowledge means not doing anything and activity means working without knowledge. Sri Krishna tells us that knowledge does not mean understanding without work, nor work means activity without knowledge. It is very difficult to understand what knowledge and action are. Action is the outward expression of knowledge, and knowledge is the inner reality of action. This may be said to be the central theme of the Bhagavadgita.- Swami Krishnananda

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« on: October 06, 2014, 07:48:51 AM »
Dear Surbramaniam Sir

Thanks for writing about the demise of Arutselvar Sri N Mahalingam .  A great noble soul who inspite of being a great Industrialist was always simple and very spiritual at heart . Though he respected all saints , he was very keen on 2 great saints - one Ramalinga Swamigal and second Mahatma Gandhi and he published the complete works of both these saints in subsidized forms . One of my keen interest on Saint Ramalinga Swamigal was due to reading articles of Vallalar and Arutpa in his spiritual magazine Sakthi . Sri N Mahalingam used to  conduct Gandhi Vallar Festival every year for 10 days starting /concluding on 2nd October . No wonder Sri N Mahalingam passed away on 2nd October on Gandhi Jayanthi day while participating in the Gandhi Vallar  function . What else proof you need to know that the divinity that you are foucssedd day in and out in your heart will absorb you at the most auspicious day /time at the time of death . In recent times we saw how Smt Kanakammal merged with Bhagavan Ramana on 1 Jan 2010 on his Jayanti day at the Ashram .

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: September 28, 2014, 10:28:48 AM »
Law of Retribution

by Swami Sivananda

Every wrong action or crime brings its own punishment, in accordance with the law of retribution. The law of causation, the law of action and reaction, the law of compensation and the law of retribution-all these operate together. He who robs another man robs himself. He who hurts another man hurts himself first. He who cheats another cheats himself first. Every wrong action causes punishment first in the inner nature or soul and externally in circumstances in the form of pain, misery, loss, failure, misfortune, disease, etc.

Man is ignorant. He is swayed by impulses, wrath, passion, attachment, pride and repulsion. He does various sorts of wicked actions. His intellect becomes perverted. He loses his memory. His understanding gets clouded by selfishness and greed. He does not know what he is exactly doing. Later on he repents. Discipline of the Indriyas is necessary. He should remember the law of causation, the law of action and reaction, and the law of retribution at every step, at every moment of his daily life. He should control his emotions and impulses through the practice of Pranayama and meditation. Then only will he not do any wrong action.

Remember that God is neither partial nor unjust. You suffer on account of your own wicked actions.
Sow the seeds which will bring pleasant fruits and which will make you happy herein and hereafter. Do not sow the seeds which will bring unpleasant fruits and which will make you miserable and unhappy in this life or hereafter. Be cautious in doing your daily duties. Watch every thought, word and action. Go to the root and purify the thoughts first. Prayer, Japa, meditation, study of philosophical books, pure food, Vichara and Satsanga will purify your mind and eradicate ignoble and wicked thoughts. Observe the vow of silence, you will then be able to control your speech. Practise Yama and Niyama, Ahimsa, Satyam, Asteyam, Brahmacharya and Aparigraha. Develop Sattvic qualities. Slowly eradicate negative qualities. By these practices you will not be able to do any wrong action. The force of Sattvic habits will goad you on to do virtuous actions only.

Orthodox Christians and theologians believe that God settles and fixes the destiny of a man before his birth. This is not logical and tenable. The hypothesis falls to the ground on account of its unsound nature. Man becomes like a piece of straw that is tossed about hither and thither in the wind. He has no independence and freedom. This makes God partial, unjust and whimsical. The moral responsibility and liberty of a man are destroyed. The man becomes like a prisoner whose hands and legs are tied with chains. Why should God make one happy and another unhappy? Is He so whimsical and eccentric? Why should one get His Grace before he is born? Is he so biased? If God is all-merciful why can He not make all equally noble, virtuous, happy, good, moral and spiritual? Why is one born blind? Why should a sinner be responsible for his actions? Is he pre-ordained to sin? Why should he suffer owing to the whim of such a Creator? Questions like these remain a puzzle if you accept the theory of 'pre-ordination and Grace'. The doctrine of Karma alone will give satisfaction. It is sound. It appeals to reason. It throws a flood of dear light. Everyone reaps the fruits of his own actions. Man can do and undo his destiny by his own thoughts and character. He is a free agent. He may be a bad man in this birth, but he can change his thoughts, habits, tendencies and character and can become a good man or a saint in the next birth. He has free will. He can choose between two alternatives at every step. The theory of 'preordination and Grace' cannot be accepted. It falls to the ground as it is unsound and untenable.

The doctrine of Karma only can explain the mysterious problem of good and evil in this world. The doctrine of Karma only can bring solace, contentment and strength to the afflicted and the desperate. It solves our difficulties and problems of life. It gives encouragement to the hopeless and the forlorn. It pushes a man to right thinking, right speech and right action. It brings a brilliant future for that man who lives according to this universal law. If all people understand this law correctly and discharge their daily duties carefully they would rise to sublime heights in the ladder of spirituality. They will be moral and virtuous and have a happy, peaceful and contented life. They can bear the burden of Samsara with patience, endurance and strength of mind. There will not be any room for complaint when they see inequalities in birth, fortune, intelligence and capacities. There will be heaven on earth. All will rejoice even in suffering. Greed, jealousy, hatred, anger and passion will vanish. Virtue will reign supreme everywhere. We will have a glorious Satyayuga now with peace and plenty everywhere. Blessed is the man who understands and lives in the law, for he will soon attain God-consciousness and become one with the Law-giver. Then the law will no longer operate on him.

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