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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 26, 2015, 07:14:05 PM »
Q. How am I to know if I am making any progress in my meditation?
AS: Those who meditate a lot often develop a subtle form of ego.
They become pleased with the idea that they are making some progress; they become pleased with the states of peace and bliss that they enjoy; they become pleased that they have learned to exercise some control over their wayward minds; or they may derive some satisfaction from the fact that they have found a good guru or a good method of meditation.
All these feelings are only ego feelings. When ego feelings are present, awareness of the Self is absent. The thought 'I am meditating? is an ego thought. If real meditation is taking place, this thought cannot arise.
Don't worry about whether you are making progress or not.
Just keep your attention on the Self twenty-four hours a day.
Meditation is not something that should be done in a particular position at a particular time. It is an awareness and an attitude that must persist throughout the day. To be effective, meditation must be continuous.
If you want to water a field you dig a channel to the field and send water continuously along it for a lengthy period of time.
If you send water for only ten seconds and then stop, the water sinks into the ground even before it reaches the field. You will not be able to reach the Self and stay there without a prolonged, continuous effort. Each time you give up trying, or get distracted, some of your previous effort goes to waste.
Continuous inhalation and exhalation are necessary for the continuance of life. Continuous meditation is necessary for all
those who want to stay in the Self.
- Living by the Words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 23, 2015, 08:03:10 PM »
Talk 121
Talks between the Master and two Moslems on a previous occasion.
D :
Has God a form?
M :
Who says so?
D :
Well, if God has no form is it proper to worship idols?
M :
Leave God alone because He is unknown. What about you? Have you a form?
D :
Yes. I am this and so and so.
M :
So then, you are a man with limbs, about three and a half cubits high, with beard, etc. Is it so?
D :
M :
Then do you find yourself so in deep sleep?
D :
After waking I perceive that I was slept. Therefore by inference I remained thus in deep sleep also.
M :
If you are the body why do they bury the corpse after death? The body must refuse to be buried.
D :
No, I am the subtle jiva within the gross body.
M :
So you see that you are really formless; but you are at present identifying yourself with the body. So long as you are formful why should you not worship the formless God as being formful?
The questioner was baffled and perplexed.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 23, 2015, 01:27:31 PM »

Q: Is it better to meditate for long periods of time or for short

AS: Except when one is in the sleep state, the effort to meditate should continue always. Just like the river which is flowing constantly towards the sea, our awareness should flow without a
break. We should not have this concept that we should meditate at certain times. The meditation on the Self should continue while walking, working, eating, etc. It should be naturally flowing in all places at all times.

- Living by the Words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 22, 2015, 06:55:56 AM »
A Beautiful Buddhist story on how to handle the mind when it is agitated

Once Buddha was walking from one town to another town with a few of his followers. This was in the initial days. While they were traveling, they happened to pass a lake. They stopped there and Buddha told one of his disciples, ?I am thirsty. Do get me some water from that lake there.?
The disciple walked up to the lake. When he reached it, he noticed that right at that moment, a bullock cart started crossing through the lake. As a result, the water became very muddy, very turbid. The disciple thought, ?How can I give this muddy water to Buddha to drink!?
So he came back and told Buddha, ?The water in there is very muddy. I don?t think it is fit to drink.? After about half an hour, again Buddha asked the same disciple to go back to the lake and get him some water to drink. The disciple obediently went back to the lake.
This time too he found that the lake was muddy. He returned and informed Buddha about the same. After sometime, again Buddha asked the same disciple to go back. The disciple reached the lake to find the lake absolutely clean and clear with pure water in it. The mud had settled down and the water above it looked fit to be had. So he collected some water in a pot and brought it to Buddha.
Buddha looked at the water, and then he looked up at the disciple and said,? See what you did to make the water clean. You let it be?. and the mud settled down on its own ? and you got clear water. Your mind is also like that! When it is disturbed, just let it be. Give it a little time. It will settle down on its own. You don?t have to put in any effort to calm it down. It will happen. It is effortless.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 21, 2015, 04:03:09 PM »
Excerpts from Living by the Words of Bhagavan

If you remain in the ?I am? as ?I am? no harm can come to you, the main thing is not go out of it.

If you take the ?I am? as your destiny no other destiny can befall you.

Abide as ?I am? and you will see no world, no mind, no distinctions and no directions.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 21, 2015, 12:32:59 PM »
D.: Can advaita be realized by japa of holy names; say Rama, Krishna, etc.?
M.: Yes.
D.: Is it not a means of an inferior order?
M.: Have you been told to make japa or to discuss its order in the scheme of things?
- Talk 55

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 21, 2015, 12:29:08 PM »
Q: When I keep the mind on this feeling of 'I am', must I be relaxed and quiet? Should I see what is happening, without interfering, or should I be observing, scrutinizing, comparing, etc. ?
AS: It is enough if you can simply relax in this 'I am?. Whatever happens in this 'I am?, this consciousness, just be indifferent to it.
You are the consciousness itself, not the thoughts and ideas that appear in it. Many things both good and bad are going on in this world. We don't bother about most of them because we think, ?these things are happening to somebody else and not to me?.
In the same way, be the consciousness 'I am' and be indifferent to the various things that come and go in your mind. If you identify with thoughts, judge them, compare them, worry about them, try to suppress them, or get involved with them in any way, they will cause you trouble. Instead, be utterly indifferent to them. If you don't pay them any attention, they can never adversely affect you.
Living by the Words of Bhagavan

Health & Welfare Issues / Re: Health and Fitness related articles
« on: February 18, 2015, 06:27:56 PM »
Simple Tips for having a healthy body and a healthy mind

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 18, 2015, 06:05:20 PM »

General topics / Re: Sivaratri - 17.02. 2015.
« on: February 17, 2015, 02:16:42 PM »
Shiva Tandava Stotram by Ravana
Its a STOTRAM originally sung by great King of Lanka RAVAN and offered it to LORD SHIV.
The video includes sanskrit lyrics if you can read it.

Here is the link to the meaning & translation of the Shiva Thandava Stotram

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 13, 2015, 07:24:01 PM »
With regard to whether Sadhana is needed or not ,I think the following quote of Papaji answers it i.e when the mind is not prepared ,Self Knowledge will not take place

Papaji himself says to David Godman, in Nothing Ever Happened (vol. 3, p. 359): "The power of the Self cannot work on an unreceptive mind.... Rain cannot make crops grow in a barren land.... If the mind is not free from all vasanas [selfish tendencies of desire, etc.], it will always reassert itself later.... If one who is not free from vasanas is pushed into having a direct experience [of the Self], that experience will not stay. The mind of such a person will eventually come back with all its former force."

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 13, 2015, 12:55:06 PM »
Sri Ramana Maharshi: ~~~ Words of Grace. (Who Am I)

God and the Guru are not really different;
they are identical.

He that has earned the Grace of the Guru
shall undoubtedly be saved and never forsaken,
just as the prey that has fallen into the tiger?s jaws
will never be allowed to escape.

But the disciple, for his part,
should unswervingly follow the path shown by the Master.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: February 13, 2015, 12:53:55 PM »
"Learn as much as possible in your youth!"

?This whole world is one big family whose parents are Parvathi and Parameswara. The first verse of Kalidasa?s Raghuvamsam portrays this truth. The teachers and you are living like a small family. As children you have to learn as much as possible in your youth.

There are two aspects to learning: one is devotion to the guru and the other is morality and personal discipline. Students should avoid getting angry and not criticize anyone or anybody. Just like we maintain a diet while taking medication, while obtaining education, refrain from talking about freedom or disobeying the instructions of elders.

Guru Bhakti, moral righteousness and humility are essential for a student. Children who are humble in their youth will rise high later in their life.

Devotion to mother, father and guru (matrubhakthi, pitru bhakthi and guru bhakthi) are all key for you. You should strive to remove the ego that destroys. Avvaiyar has said that mother and father are the primary gods. The Vedas also say the same thing.

When you are studying, do not interfere in worldly activities. You might ask, ?Isn?t it necessary to do service for the well being of the world?? It is definitely necessary to do service. However, first obtain all the knowledge needed in this world to do the service. You have to think that your studying is your contribution to the world and involve yourself in it completely.?

The above is a summary of Kanchi Maha Swamigal?s lecture on December 18th, 1932 to the students at Hindu Theological High School situated on Thangasalai Road, Chennai.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 13, 2015, 12:47:16 PM »
Dear Sri Ravi/Others

One more incident illustrating the power of following the teachings of the Guru v/s worshipping the form of the Guru from an incident in Kanchi Paramacharya's Life :

I can recollect one incident of Kanchi Mahaswamigal who during his Yatras was camping at a particular town and one of his close devotees wanted to be with him all the time and stay with him close by and that devotee felt that if he did that then he may have to forgo his daily nityakarmas ( like Sandhya Vandanam , Gayathri Japa etc ) and Kanchi Paramacharya always insisted his devotees to do one's Nitya Karmas without fail even if they are sick . So he stuck to doing the Nitya Karmas eventhough he was upset that he could not have darshan of Kanchi Mahaswamigal . But one day after  finishing the evening Nitya Karmas he came out of his house and was surprised to see Kanchi Mahaswamigal standing in front of his house and he could not believe his eyes and before he could explain , Paramacharya himself said people take strain to meet him but in doing so they forgo their Nitya Karmas and people who sincerely follow his teachings ( i.e doing Nitya Karmas ) he would himself give the darshan wherever they are .

The last few deays I have been re-reading the teachings of Sringeri Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati Mahaswamigal and he keeps on hitting at this point regularly i.e if one keep's following one's Nitya Karmas sincerely , then God will himself life that person to the next level and let there be no doubt in this .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 13, 2015, 09:03:37 AM »
Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati Mahaswamigal of Sringeri on Guru Tattva . Many identify only the Guru with the form and weep after the Guru has departed and here Sringeri Acharya says that is a wrong attitude .

Once, Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swami had camped in Bangalore Sankara Mutt. The Acharya discoursed every day. On the day of His departure a devotee began to shed profuse tears even as he received the ?mantrakshada? from the Acharya.

Sri Acharya asked him the reason behind his tears and the devotee explained that it was due to his inability to bear the separation from the Acharya. He explained that the very thought that from the morrow he would not be able to see or listen to his Guru caused him grief; and, that he wondered if he (the devotee) would be alive to have the good fortune of having the Acharya?s darshan during his next visit. On hearing this, the Acharya asked, ?Who is that Guru who gave you darshan daily and gave ?upadesh???

And, said, ?If, even after listening to me you grieve thus it only shows that my ?upadesh? and your hearing them have both been in vain. To restrict the Guru to this physical body made up of the five elements is verily ignorance. The term ?Guru? refers to a very high philosophy. It is beyond time and space and is the acting force behind our buddhi. If only you would understand the Guru tattva in the right perspective, your mind will not grieve. And you would have realized the truth that your Guru is ever with you, inseparable from you. There is no separation at all. Realize this now and do not grieve.?

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