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General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: March 30, 2015, 02:46:16 PM »
Spiritual sadhana is ultimately an effort to cease from all effort. This is the highest effort, because no one normally can be without exerting oneself in some direction. All activity is a process of moving away from the Centre. The activity to cease from such activity is sadhana.- Swami Krishnananda

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 25, 2015, 06:24:21 PM »

Q: Does satsang mean 'association with jnanis', or can it also mean 'association with good people' ?

AS: The real Sat, which is being, is within you. You associate with
it and get satsang every time you turn your attention towards it.
You do not need a jnani for such satsang. You can get it anywhere.

On the other hand, worldly people who are living near jnanis are often not getting satsang because they are not tuning in to the
jnanis Sat.

Some people who live near saints are just like little insects called 'unni' (cattle tick) which live on the udders of cows. They drink the blood there instead of the milk. Some people who were physically associated with Bhagavan ignored his teachings and failed to make contact with the grace he was radiating. They worked and ate at the ashram, but they got little benefit from being there. These people were not having satsang, they were just human unni.

There was a group of brahmins who were associated with Bhagavan who did not subscribe to the advaitic view, 'All is Brahman. All is the Self.' In those days we used to read a lot from the Ribhu Gita, a text which repeatedly says 'All is Brahman?.
These brahmins refused to join in because they didn't agree with the philosophy. 'Where is this Brahman you are talking about?' they would say. 'How can it be everything? How can you go on chanting "All is Brahman" when that is not your experience? Maybe these teachings are useful for people like Bhagavan, but why should people like us parrot these statements endiessly??

Bhagavan himself encouraged us to recite this text regularly.
He said that constant and frequent repetition led to samadhi. In
giving us this instruction Bhagavan was giving us a method of experiencing some of the sat that was his real nature. In effect he was offering us a highly effective form of satsang. But these
brahmins didn't want it. They wanted instead to complain about
the contents of the book. When such people willfully turn down a method of associating with Bhagavan's Sat, how can it be said that they are having his satsang?


General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 22, 2015, 10:28:15 AM »
During Bhagavan?s days on the Hill, Spiritual Grace was in abundance but material comforts were minimal or non-existent. It is possible that some great devotee may have advised Niranjananda Swamigal that worship of the Sri Chakra will lead to prosperity and he started the worship. But this is at best a surmise.

Dear Sri Ravi

With regard to the above quote on the worship of Si Chakra/ Sri Vidya Sadhana  for material prosperity ,I here give an incident in the life of Swami Sivananda himself .This excerpt is from the book "From Man to God-Man".  Sivananda's Personality By  Sri N. Ananthanarayanan

The Master( i.e Swami Sivananda ) did not do any formal worship of the Divine Mother. He himself clarified this point when a learned Pundit  of South India remarked that the Master must have attained perfection in Sri Vidya Upasana and that was why he succeeded in all this  undertakings.   "I have not done any formal Sri Vidya Upasana," the Master told him. "I repeat the Mantra along with several others after bath  daily. I repeat the Mantras only once. But perhaps you are right when you say that I have done Sri Vidya Upasana. It is of a different  kind. Whenever I see a woman, I mentally prostrate to her and mentally repeat some Devi Mantra, like ?Om Sri Durgayai Namah?. I look  upon all women as the embodiments of the Divine Mother. When I apply the sacred vermillion to my forehead, I repeat, ?Om Hrim Om?. This  constitutes my Sri Vidya Upasana."
The Master taught his disciples what a Sannyasin should be, what a saint should be. He was a living example of a Sthitaprajna?a man  of unbroken serenity. He had a mind which nothing could shake; nothing could cause a ripple or ruffle in it. It was indeed an  extraordinary mind. There is a saying: Learn by doing; teach by being. The Master taught by both doing and being. "Bear insult, bear injury; this is the highest Sadhana," was his favourite saying?and he was the very personification of it.


So that say's it all . While great saints build temples , Veda Patashalas in their Asharms and see to it the proper rituals are done daily without fail to maintain the tradition of worship of forms and also to maintain a spirtually vibrant atmosphere in the Ashram but they themselves do not do any sort of secret sadhana to get material prosperity .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 21, 2015, 05:52:36 PM »
Saw this post on a Facebook page related to Bhagavan Ramana and I want to know whether the highlighted portion is true i,e Bhagavan Ramana read Sri Lalitha Sahasranama on behalf of Sri Niranjananda Swami during his absence .

Vishwanatha Swamigal has said that Niranjanananda Swamigal used to read Lalita Sahasranamam daily. Occasionally when he missed Parayana for any reason the reading was completed by Ramana Maharshi on his behalf.
Lalita Sahasranamam has the answer to the question raised in the previous Facebook post about the origin of Sri Chakra Puja in the ashram. One name of Divine Mother Lalita is Siva-shakti-iyka-rupini which means the Mother Lalita forms the unity of Siva with His Shakti. Thus Divine Mother?s worship in the ashram is related to Sri Ramana Maharshi just as Sunlight is related to the Sun. We now quote from Kapali Sastriar?s book ?the Maharshi?:
?After the Veda Parayana, both of us were taken by the Sarvadhikari to his office. From the cupboard Raju Sastri took out a plate and handed it to him and he in turn placed it in my hand. It was a few inches square, but its weight betrayed to me the metal immediately; indeed, it was solid gold. The diagram was Sri Chakram; I saw the whole thing, it was neatly done. Then there was another, a smaller plate; that too was taken out. The third one contained letters inscribed in the diagram; it was Subrahmanya Yantra. He spoke to me how he was able to get it all done, why so much care for safety had to be taken etc. We all came out and he took us to another hut where I was shown Meru in solid rock. The workmanship was indeed quite fine. I do not remember to have seen such a big sized Meru in rock though I have myself worshipped one made of gold (small size)?.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 21, 2015, 09:42:10 AM »

Q: I went to Skandashram yesterday. As I sat there, for no reason at all, tears started to come. I cried and cried. I am a little puzzled by this. Why should something like this happen?

AS: A similar thing happened to me once. When I was very young I went to the town and the temple where Siva first appeared to Manikkavachagar. When I sat in the temple tears flowed down my face.

Tears like this are often a sign of grace. When your tears are
for God rather than for worldly things, the mind and the heart are purified. If you want God so much that you cry when you call on Him, He will surely come to you. When a baby cries, its mother comes to feed it. When a devotee cries because he is hungry for grace. God sends the grace to nourish him.

Living by the words of Bhagavan

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 19, 2015, 10:32:17 PM »

Q: We are accustomed to seeing a world of many separate objects. How can we change our vision so that we see only the Self everywhere?

AS: If you repeatedly shift your attention to the all-pervasive consciousness within you, this habit of seeing the many will gradually disappear. You see multiplicity only because you give attention to that habit.

Instead, right now, withdraw your energy from that habit and go the other way towards your real Self. By steadily abiding in the Self you accumulate the energy to resist the illusion of multiplicity. As you continue to immerse yourself in pure consciousness, the habit of seeing the one as many will decrease until it slowly disappears.

- LWB (Living by the Words of Bhagavan)


This is an English  translation of the above mentioned sins of Vallalar

Did i ever wound the feeling of good!
Did i ever desert a friend in the mid way!
Did i drag an innocent to the court and spoil his honor!
Did i ever prevent a philanthropist from offering!
Did i ever create misery to intimate friends!
Did i ever do wicked for dearest friends!
Did i ever enhance the house tax and thereby i looted anyone!
Did i ever cause the poor people's belly burn!
Did i ever punish any person without compassion!
Did i ever spoil anybody's life by conspiracy!
Did i ever aid and abet the murderer!
Did i ever tell crooked route to the robber!
Did i ever tell lie for the sake of wealth!
Did i ever betray anyone after inducing desire!
Did i ever fence the public to and fro passage!
Did i ever reduce the wage after getting work done!
Did i ever remain without looking into the face of hungry people!
Did i ever say no to the beggars!
Did i ever spoil any family by scandal!
Did i ever disclose the hiding place of an innocent!
Did i ever indulge in sex with an unchaste woman!
Did i rape a virgin under guard!
Did i ever spoil the chastity of a married woman!
Did i ever cause abortion and be happy!
Did i ever hesitate to salute preceptors!
Did i ever forget to pay the teacher's fees!
Did i ever insult any learned scholar!
Did i ever find fault with great men's hymns!
Did i ever imprison any bird in a cage!
Did i ever tie up a calf of without feeding it!
Did i ever eat meat for the growth of my body!
Did i ever sell adulterated food stuff!
Did i ever do pain to the beloved person!
Did i ever close tank of a drinking water!
Did i ever cut down the shady tree!
Did i ever ruin the field of others out of enmity!
Did i ever demolish a public inn!
Did i ever keep the temple door closed!
Did i ever scold any devotee of God!
Did i ever ridicule any saint doing penance!
Did i ever insult the genuine sages!
Did i ever violate the words of my father and mother!
Did i ever humiliate god out of conceit!
Did i commit any other sin other than these!
I don't know!

- வள்ளலார் (மனு முறைகண்ட வாசகம்)
Vallalar(Manu Murai Kanda Vasagam)


Saw this post on the net and sharing the same . I guess that the below list of sins listed by Vallalar comes in his Prose Work Manumurai kanda vasagam .If I get the original post I will share the same .
வள்ளலார் சுட்டிக்காட்டும் பாவச் செயல்கள்
1. நல்லோர் மனதை நடுங்கச் செய்வது.
2. வலிய வழக்கிட்டு மானங் கெடுப்பது.
3. தானம் கொடுப்போரை தடுத்து நிற்பது.
4. கலந்த சினேகிதரைக் கலகஞ் செய்வது.
5. மனமொத்த நட்புக்கு வஞ்சகஞ் செய்வது.
6. குடிவரி உயர்த்திக் கொள்ளை கொள்வது.
7. ஏழைகள் வயிறு எரியச் செய்வது.
8. தர்மம் பாராது தண்டஞ் செய்வது.
9. மண்ணோரம் பேசி வாழ்வழிப்பது.(தன் நிலத்திற்கு அருகில் உள்ள பிறர் நிலத்தை அபகரித்தல்)
10. உயிர்க்கொலை செய்வோர்க்கு உபகாரஞ் செய்வது.
11. களவு செய்வோர்க்கு உளவு சொல்வது.
12. பொருளை இச்சித்துப் பொய் சொல்வது.
13. ஆசை காட்டி மோசஞ் செய்வது.
14. வரவுபோக் கொழிய வழியடைப்பது.
15. வேலையிட்டுக் கூலி குறைப்பது.
16. பசித்தோர் முகத்தைப் பாராதிருப்பது.
17. இரப்போர்க்குப் பிச்சை இல்லை என்பது.
18. கோள் சொல்லி குடும்பங் கலைப்பது.
19. நட்டாற்றில் கையை நழுவ விடுவது.
20. கலங்கி ஒளிந்தோரைக் காட்டிக் கொடுப்பது.
21. கற்பழிந்தவளைக் கலந்திருப்பது.(கற்பு என்பதை மனம் சார்ந்த விஷயம் என்பதை கருத்தில் கொள்ள வேண்டும்.)
22. காவல் கொண்டிருந்த கன்னியை அழிப்பது.
23. கணவன் வழி நிற்போரைக் கற்பழிப்பது.
24. கருப்பமழித்துக் களித்திருப்பது.
25. குருவை வணங்கக் கூசி நிற்பது.
26. குருவின் காணிக்கை கொடுக்க மறப்பது.
27. கற்றவர் தம்மைக் கடுகடுப்பது.
28. பெரியோர் பாட்டிற் பிழை சொல்வது.
29. பட்சியைக் கூண்டில் பதைக்க அடைப்பது.
30. கன்றுக்குப் பாலூட்டாது கட்டி வைப்பது.
31. ஊன் சுவை உண்டு உயிர் வளர்ப்பது.
32. கல்லும் நெல்லும் கலந்து விற்பது.
33. அன்புடையவர்க்குத் துன்பஞ் செய்வது.
34. குடிக்கின்ற நீருள்ள குளந்தூர்ப்பது.
35. வெயிலுக்கொதுங்கும் விருட்சமழிப்பது.
36. பகை கொண்டு அயலார் பயிர் அழிப்பது.
37. பொது மண்டபத்தைப் போயிடிப்பது.
38. ஆலயக் கதவை அடைத்தே வைப்பது.
39. சிவனடியாரைச் சீறி வைப்பது.
40. தவஞ் செய்வோரைத் தாழ்வு சொல்வது.
41. சுத்த ஞானிகளைத் தூஷணஞ் செய்வது.
42. தந்தைதாய் மொழியைத் தள்ளி நடப்பது.
43. தெய்வமிகழ்ந்து செருக்கடைவது.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 15, 2015, 04:01:24 PM »

Q: It is so difficult to avoid getting entangled in the mind. Staying detached from thoughts is like trying to stop the tide from coming in. Waves of new thoughts wash away the detached observer every few seconds.
AS: Self-enquiry must be done repeatedly and steadily. The wandering mind slowly loses its energy when it is subjected to constant scrutiny. The mind derives all its energy from the attention you give to thoughts and emotions. If you refuse to give them any attention and instead challenge each thought as soon as it appears, sooner or later your attention will stop going out to all your stray thoughts.
When the attractiveness of transient thoughts diminishes to the point where you no longer feel obliged to hold on to them whenever they appear, you will be able to rest quietly in the experience of your real nature without being distracted.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 14, 2015, 10:22:11 AM »

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: March 11, 2015, 10:17:15 AM »

"The yoga teacher knows that much of his/her teachings is but the planting of seeds and that, for every idea the student understands, there will be a hundred that will come into his/her conscious recognition only after his/her mind is ready to understand and accept it....A student is advised to follow the teachings until he/she is able to experience truth within himself/herself."
- Swami Vishnudevananda

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: March 11, 2015, 10:16:13 AM »

"Do not be anxious, constantly thinking of your spiritual progress. There will be ups and downs. It is not a straight path. Be courageous. (...) Always pray to God. Prostrate. Surrender to Him. With surrender, straightforward and honest practice you will reach the goal." - Swami Vishnudevananda

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 11, 2015, 09:23:42 AM »

Plunge the Pure Mind Into the Heart

ONE day it was suggested to Sri Maharshi that no spiritual progress could ever be made without sadhana, or discipline. After a pause he made these observations: "Mind it is that binds man, and the same mind it is that liberates him. Mind is constituted of sankalpa and vikalpa desire and disposition. Desire is of two kinds the noble and the base. The base desires are lust and greed. Noble desire is directed towards enlightenment and emancipation. Base desire contaminates and clouds the understanding. Sadhana is easy for the aspirant who is endowed with noble desires. Calmness is the criterion of spiritual progress. Plunge the purified mind into the Heart. Then the work is over. This is the essence of all spiritual discipline!"
During one of my visits I was seated at some distance from the Maharshi. There were many devotees in the hall and the usual silence prevailed. I remembered his injunction: "Plunge the pure mind into the Heart." And decided to practice it then. I gazed at him and he gazed back at me. What followed was indescribable. His body seemed a glass case from which a blissful brilliance streamed out. More than half an hour passed this way. It was an experience unique and unforgettable. It confirmed Sri Ramakrishna's statement that spiritual experience can be transmitted from one person to another in the manner in which material things are handed over.
? Ramana Smrti, Recorded by Swami Chidbhavananda
of the Sri Ramakrishna Mission

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 11, 2015, 06:11:24 AM »

Dear Sri Ravi

I am not surprised that Sri Annamalasiswami quotes a lot from Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa . When I first met Sri David Godman at Thiruvanamalai after being highly impressed by his book ?Living by the Words of Bhagavan? and asked him about his personal experiences with Sri Annamalai Swami , David Godman told me that Sri Annamalai Swami was a great story teller and always used to explain things using a short story or an anecdote from Bhagavans life and it was always a treat to listen to him and this was the method Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had .He explained complicated Philosophical truths using simple stories . Ir-respective of one's later spiritual direction many peoples first initiation to the spiritual path in the last 100 years or so was due to reading the works of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Swami Vivekananda . I had the wonderful opportunity to meet one direct disciple of Swami Sivananda called Swami Chaitanyananda ( popularly called as UttarKashi Swami as he maintained solitude there and avoided much outside contact ) and he told that first he was interested in spirituality after reading a book of Swami Vivekananda and when he sat for meditation , a huge saintly figure clad in Orange robes used to come in front of him and he took it to be Swami Vivekananda but later  when his friend gave him a book of Swami Sivananda he understood  from the picture in that book that it was Swami Sivananda and he immediately went to Rishikesh when Swami Sivananda smiled and welcomed him saying ,I was waiting for you .  Though he received his initiation from Swami Sivananda , he used to always quote from Sri Ramakrishna and Swami Vivekananda during his talks .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 10, 2015, 12:50:04 PM »
Q: Bhagavan's body has gone now. I know intellectually that he is the Self and that he is everywhere but I still sometimes wish that could have the good fortune of sitting in his physical presence. I know that the body is ultimately not important but I would feel so happy and secure if I knew that I could go and talk or just sit with .
AS: Everything you see is Bhagavan's body. The guiding presence that you desire is shining through all these forms and animating them. Don't be attached to Bhagavan's form or body. The real Bhagavan is beyond form and beyond death.
Though water flows through the mouth of a stone tiger statue, everyone knows that it is not coming from the tiger; we all know that it is coming from the reservoir. Similarly, Bhagavan now speaks through everyone who knows and experiences him as he really is.
Living by the Words of Bhagavan

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