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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: February 19, 2018, 10:44:45 AM »
Dear Jewell

Thanks for your reply . Here is another quote from the same Swami about being sincere in our prayer even if it is for short duration . I have already posted it earlier but sharing once again to reiterate the importance of quality and focus in prayer even if it is for a short time .

Even if we were to spend ten minutes in chanting the names of the Lord with devotion, that will amount to a great virtuous deed. Some allow their minds to wander in all directions when they perform their puja or sandhyavandanam. : I have to receive such- and such an amount from this person; I have to file a case against this person" etc such are the kinds of thoughts entertained by some during worship. This is not correct. Set aside all your worldly thoughts when you sit for puja and concentrate on Ishwara during that short period of ten minutes or so. Even though the time for which you do puja is very short, if it is spent with devotion, it will yield great punya (virtue). - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: February 19, 2018, 09:45:14 AM »
Karma is essential, for without it one cannot attempt purification of the mind ? Chitta Shuddhi ? cleansing it of mental impurities such as Kama, Krodha etc. While it is evident that Karma cannot directly result in Moksha, its role in Chitta Shuddhi is as important for without Chitta Shuddhi, one does not become qualified for Vedantic studies ? चित्तस्य शुद्धये कर्म न तु वस्तूपलब्धये.

Sri Bhagavan proclaims in the Gita that अनाश्रितः कर्मफलं कार्यं कर्म करोति यः । स संन्यासी च योगी च ? He who performs Karma without desiring the results is indeed a Sannyasi.
However, it has become a practice of many to ensure that whatever Karma they perform, the list of desired objectives is quite long when they take the Sankalpa ? क्षेम-स्थैर्य-धैर्य-वीर्य-विजय-अभय-आयुरोग्य-ऐश्वर्य ? praying thus for protection, steadfastness, courage, strength, triumph in endeavours, freedom from fear, good health, wealth and so on.

Sri Bhagavan Himself says यज्ञार्थात्कर्मणोऽन्यत्र लोकोऽयं कर्मबन्धनः । When actions are offered to Ishwara, it frees one from bondage.

Hence our Sankalpa must be to perform the Karma as an offering to Ishwara ? ईश्वरार्थं करिष्ये. Otherwise it results in bandham or bondage. As a result of Sankalpa done with the results in mind, punya or papa ensues, and these result in further births. And as long as there are births, there is no happiness. Much is the suffering from the time of being in the mother?s womb to the time one leaves the body. Hence it is usual for everyone who has realized this, to desire freedom from bondage. Hence Nishkama Karma is absolutely essential for a seeker.

-Sringeri Jagadguru Shri Bharati Tirth Mahaswamigal

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: February 17, 2018, 10:01:10 PM »
Short Messages from Sringeri Jagadgurus:

Sringeri Jagadguru narrates story of How Bhakti is more important than Grammar (Kannada)

(A Rough Translation)

Everyone can get Bhagavad Kripa (God's grace) irrespective of who they are or how they live or whatever be their qualifications.

Whether one is a pandit (educated) or not does not matter.

There is no relation between pAndityam (education) and Bhagavad Kripai (God's grace)

Once a pandit used to worship Bhagavan (God) as "Vishnave Namaha."

"Vishnave Namaha" was the grammatically correct way of worshipping.

Another person who did not know grammar worshipped God as "Vishnaya Namaha"

According to grammar, "Vishnaya Namaha" was wrong.

But he did not know grammar and continued to worship as "Vishnaya Namaha"

Meanwhile, the pandit correctly worshipped as "Vishnave Namaha"

Later, both of them attained Bhagavad sannidhyam.

But the pandit was not happy that the other person also got Bhagavad sannidhyam. He thought that while it was correct for him to have come there, it was not correct for the other person to have come there, since that person was worshipping the wrong way.

The pandit went to Bhagavan and said that while Bhagavan had given him His sthana because he was worshipping correctly, why did He give His sthana to the other person who was worshipping incorrectly? Was that just?

Bhagavan replied:

"Murkho vadati vishnaya
vidwan vadati vishnave
ubhayo sadirsham punyam
bhaavagraahi janaardanah"

"Whether you said Vishnave or he said Vishnaya, I did not consider the grammar into account. I only saw the Bhakti in both of your hearts and hence gave both of you My sthana."

This is what Bhagavan sees.

We should worship God with Bhakti and nothing else is more important.

This is what God said in Bhagavad Gita too:

patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ
yo me bhaktyā prayacchati
tad ahaṁ bhakty-upahṛtam
aśnāmi prayatātmanaḥ

When you go for God's puja, God does not see how much milk or naivedyam or flower you bring.

God only sees people who have come with Bhakti bhava.

A person who gives lot of milk or flowers without any Bhakti does not get God's grace.

But with Bhakti, even if you submit a Bilva leaf, God becomes satisfied.

That is why God said:

patram puspam phalam toyam
yo me bhaktya prayacchati

Whatever you submit with Bhakti, God receives.

And whatever you give without Bhakti, God does not take.

Hence Bhakti is very important.

bhaktyā mām abhijānāti
yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ

(Bhagavad Gita)

Hence, for generations and generations the Bhagavad Bhakti that had guided us in our lives, that Bhakti is very essential to guide us properly in our lives.


Copyright: Dakshinamnaya Sri Sharada Peetham, Sringeri

General topics / Re: Quotes of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
« on: February 17, 2018, 02:17:54 PM »

Q: To integrate and strengthen the mind is not an easy task! How does one begin?

M: You can start only from where you are. You are here and now, you cannot get out of here and now.

Q: But what can I do here and now?

M: You can be aware of your being -- here and now.

Q: That is all?

M: That is all. There is nothing more to it.

Q: All my waking and dreaming I am conscious of myself. It does not help me much.

M: You were aware of thinking, feeling, doing. You were not aware of your being.

Q: What is the new factor you want me to bring in?

M: The attitude of pure witnessing, of watching the events without taking part in them.

Q: What will it do to me?

M: Weak-mindedness is due to lack of intelligence, of understanding, which again is the result of non-awareness. By striving for awareness you bring your mind together and strengthen it.

Q: I may be fully aware of what is going on, and yet quite unable to influence it in any way.

M: You are mistaken. What is going on is a projection of your mind. A weak mind cannot control its own projections. Be aware, therefore, of your mind and its projections. You cannot control what you do not know. On the other hand, knowledge gives power. In practice, it is very simple. To control yourself -- know yourself.

Q: Maybe, I can come to control myself, but shall I be able to deal with the chaos in the world?

M: There is no chaos in the world, except the chaos which your mind creates. It is self-created in the sense that at its very center is the false idea of oneself as a thing different and separate from other things.

In reality, you are not a thing, nor separate. You are the infinite potentiality; the inexhaustible possibility. Because you are, all can be. The universe is but a partial manifestation of your limitless capacity to become.

- Nisargadatta Maharaj, I AM THAT ch 30

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: February 17, 2018, 07:42:05 AM »

Visitor: It is said in the scriptures that by doing virtuous deeds people are assured of heavenly enjoyments after death.

Bhagavan: Maybe. But are you sure that what all you do are virtuous actions only? Even then after heavenly life, you have to experience the fruits of actions which had not yet fructified. One would have to roll again and again, endlessly, in the cycle of birth.

V: That is why I sought Bhagavan's clarification.

Bh: Our aim should be the attainment of eternal bliss by realizing the truth. How can you aspire for karmic results?

V: Without proper understanding, many people are mad after heavenly enjoyments.

Bh: One might think that heaven is a place of enjoyment. However, things are not very different from this world there. Attachments, prejudices, jealousies etc. are there too. That enjoyment too is perishable for everything is centered on the ego. Because of pleasures, one's mind would not then turn inward in search of truth.

It is such a waste!

After the good karma which gave one the enjoyments of heaven are over one has to return.

What needs to be done is to inquire: 'for whom is this desire for heavenly enjoyment?' Such an inquiry is an absolute necessity.

V: People wrongly superimpose permanence on heavenly enjoyments.

Bh: How can it be? Everlasting bliss can be obtained only by eliminating the cycle of birth and death. Heaven is not the place for the realization of truth.

V: It means that we should not aspire for the fruits of actions but surrender them to God. This also implies we should make an attempt to attain self-knowledge here and now.

Bh: We do not know where heaven is nor as to how it is.
But we aspire for unknown things. In contrast, all the requirements for self-knowledge is ready at hand.
Why bother about unknown things when the wise ones
have shown us the way to attain Self-knowledge here itself?

- N.N.Rajan, More Talks With Ramana Maharshi,
13.4.42 afternoon

General Discussion / Re: THIS FORUM
« on: February 10, 2018, 02:36:54 PM »

I do agree that not much activity is there except for Sri Subramanianji who posts regularly . This forum has seen intense activity , sharp debates etc in the past and it also slows down  in between and this may pick up again . This is a cycle .

அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி மகாமந்திர விளக்கம் (Meaning of Arutperunjothi Mahamanthiram)

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: February 03, 2018, 08:07:13 AM »

"When the Grace of the Guru and God is there, why is the mind still not perfectly controlled?" came a question from Swami Shyamananda.

"There must be self-effort also. Only when there is this self-effort will Grace come. A professor cannot answer the questions for you and make you pass. The Gita says: 'One should raise oneself'. Divine Grace alone helps one to raise oneself. Everybody should work out his own salvation. You may now ask, 'What then is Grace?'

"If an aspirant gets letters from his Guru clearing his doubts, that is Grace. If an aspirant comes here, takes Ganges bath and listens to lectures, that is Grace. Many people, even millionaires, are thirsting
to come and bathe in the Ganges, but all do not get an opportunity of coming and having their wishes fulfilled. If good spiritual books are available for study, it is Grace. If one enjoys good health for practising Sadhana, that is Grace. If God so wishes, He can give liberation to the whole world in an instant, but He does not do so. Grace descends only when there is self-effort."

~ Swami Sivananda

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 30, 2018, 06:43:32 PM »

If we do not resolve to attack the deadly enemy in every nook and corner of our daily life, we shall never get rid of this ghost which we have pampered unconsciously for so long. But what is the means?

There is only one way to overcome the ghost .... to watch it.
Do not fight, do not resist. Only try to watch it, quietly but ceaselessly.

In other words, develop an unconcerned witness-consciousness towards men, things and happenings without, but particularly towards yourself within. It means to carry on the calmness of the mind gained in your meditation to cover your whole day. You will distinctly feel it as an undercurrent of peace and detachment.

- Lucy Cornellsen, 'Hunting the 'I'

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 25, 2018, 09:03:53 AM »

During sleep, you have no likes and dislikes. Jnanis and babies manage this while they are awake. Baby mind is good; jnani mind is good; 'I am the body' mind is very, very bad.

Question: It's a poisonous thought!

Annamalai Swami: Yes, yes. The 'I am the body' thought is just as poisonous as a cobra. 'All is my Self.' 'All is the nectar of my own Self.' These are the great affirmations that counter the 'I am the body' thought.

Holding on to one of these sayings is the equal of millions of punyas. If we continuously meditate on the truth of these statements, if we hold on to the truth that they are pointing
towards, countless punyas will accrue to us.

There are many other mantras, but none are as useful as these. Rihhu Gitu says, 'All is one. All is the Self.' This is the truth that you have to hold onto. To the real ?I? nothing is foreign in the entire universe. If you know you are everything, there will be no desire to pursue some things and not others. Do you like or desire your arm more than your foot? When your body is the whole universe, likes, dislikes and desires will be absent.


All the best in your efforts Udai .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 23, 2018, 02:35:26 PM »

Thoughts will come as long as the potential for them is inside you. Good thoughts, bad thoughts, they will all keep coming.
There is nothing you can do about this flow, but at the same time, this flow of thoughts need not be a problem.

Be the Self, be the peace that is your real nature, and it will not matter what comes up. Walk, eat, drink, sleep, meditate, but never think that you are the one who is doing these things. The thought that you are doing something is the thought that is poisoning your life.

Because once you think that you are doing something, you will start to think that you need to be doing something else to put yourself in a better situation. You don't have to do anything to experience the nectar of the Self. All you need to do is drop the idea that you are doing anything at all.

p. 95

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 22, 2018, 07:44:18 PM »
Sadhu Natanananda?s Ferocious Lecture About Self-Enquiry

His face was red with rage. ?What a fool you are!? he told me. ?What do you think you have come to Bhagavan for??

The day he understood his Self Realization, Sadhu Natanananda went incognito. The outward symbol of his becoming Self-realized was his obscurity. He lived alone ? happy to be immersed in the Self all the time.

After Bhagavan?s mahasamadhi in 1950 and until 1967, many did not even know if Natanananda was still alive. Though he stayed in a cottage in Tiruvannamalai, no one knew where he was. Like most of the old devotees, I too thought that he had passed away.

I had spent seven years in the ashram when suddenly one day my friend Dorab Framji asked me, ?Do you know Sadhu Natanananda is alive?? I jumped with joy because I loved his book, Spiritual Instruction, also known as Sri Ramana Darsanam. I paid him a visit. He was an austere man with nothing in his room except for a few loincloths. He blessed me and asked, ?What are you doing? Are you practicing Self-Enquiry??

I replied, ?I am not capable of doing Self-Enquiry. I only chant Arunachala Siva, Arunachala Siva.?

His face was red with rage. I was taken aback because this was my very first meeting with him and I was accustomed to people indulging me whenever they met me.

Not Natanananda! He was a stern and serious man. He raged, ?What a fool you are! What do you think you have come to Bhagavan for? For what function has he chosen you? It is only to make you like him! Read his Forty Verses on Reality, practice Self-Enquiry, BE the truth. That is why you have been chosen!?

I was stunned in disbelief.

- Sri Ganesan in Ramana Periya Puranam

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 22, 2018, 10:37:33 AM »
To find God you must know how to love, not God, but the human beings around you, the trees, the flowers, the birds. Then, when you know how to love them, you will really know what it is to love God. Without loving another, without knowing what it means to be completely in communion with one another, you cannot be in communion with truth.~ Jiddu Krishnamurti

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: January 11, 2018, 11:06:39 AM »
தமிழையும், தமிழறிஞர்களையும்
ஸ்ரீ காஞ்சி மகாபெரியவர்
பெரிதும் போற்றினார். பெற்றதாய்தனை மகமறந்தாலும்
பிள்ளையைப் பெற்றதாய் மறந்தாலும்;
உற்ற தேகத்தை உயிர் மறந்தாலும்
உயிரைமேவிய உடல் மறந்தாலும்;
கற்ற நெஞ்சம் கலைமறந்தாலும்
கண்கள் நின்றிமைப்பது மறந்தாலும்;
நற்றவத்தவர் உள்ளிருந்தோங்கும்
நமச்சிவாயத்தை நான் மறவேனே!??
- ராமலிங்க அடிகளாரின் திருவருட்பாவின் திருமுறையில் உள்ள பாட்டை மகள் நீலாம்பிகை படிக்க, தந்தை வேதாசலம் கேட்டுக்கொண்டு இருந்தார்.
சுவாமி வேதாசலத்துக்கு அந்தப் பாடலில் ஒரு நெருடல் இருந்தது. மகளிடமே கேட்டார். ??நீலா! இனிமையான இந்தத் தமிழ்ப் பாட்டில் ஒரே ஒரு சமஸ்கிருதச் சொல் இருக்கிறது. ?உற்ற தேகத்தை உயிர் மறந்தாலும்? என்ற இடத்தில் ?தேகம்? என்பதை நீக்கிவிட்டு உடம்பாகிய யாக்கை என்று போட்டால் ஓசை இன்பம் அழகாக இருக்கும். பிறமொழிச் சொற்கள் கலப்பதால் தமிழின் இனிமை குன்றுகிறது?? என்றார் வேதாசலம்.
??அப்படியானால் நாம் அயல்மொழிச் சொற்களை நீக்கித் தனித்தமிழிலேயே பேசுதல் வேண்டும்?? என்று 13 வயதே ஆன மகள் நீலாம்பிகை எடுத்துத் தந்தார். அன்றுதான் தனித்தமிழ் இயக்கம் தோன்றியது. எதையும் தன்னில் இருந்து தொடங்க வேண்டும் என்ற எண்ணம் உடைய சுவாமி வேதாசலம், தனது பெயரை ?மறைமலை அடிகள்? என்று மாற்றிக் கொண்டார். தனித்து நிற்கும் தகுதியை உடையது தமிழ் என்று மறைமலை அடிகளால் உலகுக்கு உணர்த்தப்பட்டது.

தமிழ்... தமிழ் என்று வலியுறுத்தினார் என்பதால், மற்ற மொழிகள் அறியாதவர் அல்ல... மறைமலை அடிகள். காளிதாசனின் சாகுந்தலத்தை, சமஸ்கிருதத்தில் இருந்து தமிழில் மொழிபெயர்க்கும் அளவுக்கு வடமொழி ஆளுமை படைத்தவர். இந்த மொழிபெயர்ப்பைப் படித்த காஞ்சி மடாதிபதி சந்திரசேகர ஸ்வாமிகள், ?இதுபற்றி சிறந்த கட்டுரை எழுதும் மாணவர்களுக்கு ரூ.100 பரிசு தரப்படும்? என்று 1957-ல் அறிவித்தார். மகா பெரியவரையே மயக்கிய மொழிபெயர்ப்பு அது.

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