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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: July 11, 2016, 10:24:13 PM »
Even in Sri Ramanasramam,the Veda chanting is done by 'Brahmin' boys only .Bhagavan has also maintained that while study of the vedas can be done by one and all,the chanting has to be done by 'Brahmins' only.

True and I understand that Bhagavn allowed all to listen to the Vedas but maintained the tradition of Chanting to be done only by Vedic Brahmins and did not entertain any debates on this issue and when any such issues came up he asked people "to mind their own business " and "focus on what they came here for in the first instance " .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: July 11, 2016, 03:06:45 PM »
Dear Sri Ravi

It is not just with Organ donation . Many of Kanchi Sri Mahaswamigal's views on certain matters( like varna dharma , women's education , widow remarriage , entry of dalits in to the temple etc etc )  is vastly different from the way normal society understand and functions . Kanchi Mahaswamigal strictly follows the "sashtras" as the guiding principle but the country is government by "constitution " and only what is 'scientfically proven" is taken as valid and rest are either discarded either as superstition or an outdated thought .
I really do not know which is correct here .For example even now in Shankara Mutts only Brahmins are taken for study of Vedas in their Veda Patashala . Few years back in one Yoga Retreat at Sivananda Ashram , a lady told that her house was closer to a Veda Patashala in Kumbakkonam but she was not a Brahmin and daily they used to hear the Vedic Chants and her son was intersted in studying Vedas but was refused entry there . She told that her son would follow all the rules of the Organization as the other Brahmin kids but yet they refused .She asked me why is this so ? I told I have no answer to this .As a Secular Indian I feel if one is intersted in studying a subject and willing to undergo all the rules of that Organization and has the basic competance to study that subject then he/she must be given an opportunity to study the same and caste /sex must not come in to the picture .But the Sashtras Prohibit women as well as non Brahmins from studying Vedas in Veda Patashala ( Arya Samaj People refute this but Kanchi Mahaswmigal's view is different ) and all the Shankaracharya Mutts follow this rule strictly . Arya Samaj , Sivananda , Ramakrishna , Chinmaya ,Dayananda Organizations have broken this rule and have allowed Women and Non Brahmins and even foreigners  to study the scriptures provided they have the samskaras for the same and willing to follow the rules . I have no answer why the various Shankaracharya Mutss ( Kanchi , Sringeri etc ) are not open to this . Some say ( especially the athesits , rationalists ) that this structure is basically kept intact to keep the Brahmins at the Top and maintain their supreme command over others while the tradional people say that not all answers are possible through rational reasoing and when Vedas say something we need to strictly follow that without questioning the same .I do not know what is correct here .BTW I have deepest respect for Kanchi Mahaswmigal and  I know that his vision is not as narrow as claimed by the athesits , rationalists ( i.e promoting Brahmanical supremacy and orthodoxy  ) and that he had love and compassion for all and had demonstarted that in his own life .

General topics / Re: Mathru Sri Sarada
« on: July 11, 2016, 10:16:22 AM »
Hi all!  I was wondering if anyone knows of any information about Saradamma that isn't already in "No Mind I Am The Self", her website, or the old post about her in this forum.  I've been meditating on her name and form for a while now, but I feel as though I need to know more about her in order to increase my love.  I plan on visiting her and Lakshmana Swamy's residence in Tiruvanamalai this December.

Dear Orihh

Matru Sarada , Sri Lakshmana  Swamy are very reclusive people and do not mix with outsiders very much and apart from their public darshans , there is very little opportunity to meet them .But the book "No Mind I am the Self"  is more than self sufficient for you to understand their teachings and follow it up . I had attended a  couple of Public Darshans of Sri Lakshmana Swamy and in his brief talk it has the same content that was given in the book "No Mind ,I am the Self " .So keep reading that book again and again and continue with your Japa .

General Discussion / Re: The Importance of Being Alone
« on: July 07, 2016, 02:39:01 PM »
Dear Nagaraj

Thanks for sharing the same and I could very much resonate with this article and Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's example of pouring Ghee in the fire was an excellent example of when one should involve in the world without allowing the world to consume us .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 07, 2016, 07:46:33 AM »

The INSPIRED ALPHABETS ( A-Z )In the words of Swami Vivekananda

Arise! Awake! and stop not till the goal is reached
Bless men when they revile you
Conquer yourself and the whole universe is yours
Do not merely endure, be unattached
Eat to Him, drink to Him, sleep to Him, see Him in all
First get rid of this delusion,? Iam the body?
Give everything and look for no returns
Homogeneity, sameness is GOD
Incarnations like Buddha, Sri Ramakrishna can give religions
Jnana ?Yoga tells man that he is essentially divine
Knowledge exists, man only discovers
Look at the ocean and not at the wave
Man as Atman is really free, as man he is bound
Never turn back to see the result of what you have done
Out of purity and silence comes the word of power
Perception is our only real knowledge or religion
Quarrels over religion are always over the husks
Religion without philosophy runs into superstition
See no difference between ant and angel
The more our bliss is within, the more spiritual we are
Unchaste imagination is as bad as unchaste action
Vedas cannot show you Brahman, You are already that.
We are human coverings over the Divine
Xs anything is poison
You are good but be better
Zeal with faith(Shraddha); have this everything will follow

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 06, 2016, 10:48:47 AM »
Thanks for the clarification Subramaniam sir and if possible make that correction in your original post .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 06, 2016, 07:28:35 AM »
Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for the info and I read it to my mother and she told she will try it accordingly .Only doubt - you have mentioned coconut water in that recipe . Is it coconut water or coconut milk ? Can you clarify the same ?

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 05, 2016, 06:49:17 PM »
Subramainam Sir

What is the source for the above recipe for Sweet Pongal ? Has it been given in the mountain Path ?

I have also signed the petition .I feel unless and until the entire town of Arunchala ( or at least all areas coming under Girivalam ) are declared as a Sacred Place like the way Haridwar and Rishikesh are treated ( i.e free of meat , alcohol and cutting of trees etc )  these sort of problems will continue to haunt Arunacahala .

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: July 04, 2016, 02:24:03 PM »
When we come in conflict with things, we are likely to think that the things are against us. But this would be like imagining that a stone is against us because it is thrown at us by someone. The things and circumstances are only instruments in meting out our dues.- Swami Krishnananda

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: July 03, 2016, 11:41:18 AM »

It is one of Bhagavan's characteristics that he often responded to identical situations in different ways. In 1938, when I [Annamalai Swami] was once again troubled by sexual desires, he reacted in a completely different way. For three days my mind had been filled with sexual thoughts, so much so that I began to think, 'How will I ever attain salvation if thoughts like these constantly come?'
I so disturbed by these thoughts that throughout these three days I was unable to eat or sleep property.
I decided that Bhagavan was the only person who could help me. That evening I followed Bhagavan when he went out for his walk and explained my problem to him.
'Since this desire for women came to me the other day, I have not slept or taken food for the last three days. As these thoughts occur quite often, what will eventually happen to me?'
Bhagavan, after remaining silent for a couple of minutes, replied ?Why should you always be thinking that an evil thought occurred at such and such a time in the past? If you instead meditate "To whom does this thought come?' it will fly away of its own accord. You are not the body or the mind, you are the Self. Meditate on this and all your desires will leave you.'
Similarly Bhagavan taught Annamalai Swami about anger and remorsefulness. He had beaten a worker who had been acting carelessly.
?This happened at about 9 a.m. For the rest of the day I felt very guilty about losing my temper in this way. That evening, when I gave my daily report, I confessed to Bhagavan and apologized for my action. Bhagavan asked me, ?When did this anger come and when did you hit him?'
I told him that the incident had happened about 9 a.m. that morning.
?The anger that came at 9 a.m. has already gone,' said Bhagavan. 'Why are you still thinking that you got angry and hit someone? Why are you still carrying these thoughts in your mind? Instead of feeling guilty about what you have done, enquire, 'To whom did all this anger come?? Find out the real nature of the person who got angry this morning.
For activity that anger was needed. Now it is all over, you do not need to think about it any more. So drop that memory of anger and proceed with the next job.?

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