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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: January 03, 2018, 10:27:52 PM »


This scarce human body is acquired after eighty-four hundred thousand lives; don't let it go to no purpose. Every moment of life is very precious. If you don't understand the value of it then you will only be crying and have nothing in your hand.

You have become a human being, therefore have the strength to consider what is said in the Scriptures, and then you can do the best purushartha (effort for human birthright).

Do not think of yourself as weak and fallen. That which was done up to now, understand that this was unintentional. But now be cautious, apply yourself to doing action fit for a human. On your own accord understand what is good and what is bad. Take to doing that which is good and reject that which is bad.

If having become a human being you do not obtain knowledge of Paramatma then understand that it is as if you have sold a diamond for the price of spinach.

Worship of Paramatma is not for Paramatma. Worship of Paramatma is for the disappearance of one's suffering, disappearance of unrest and the disappearance of ignorance and weakness.

Paramatma is AII-Knowing, Omnipotent and Unlimited Bliss. Worship is a way to get a handle on that unlimited strength. The meaning of human life is accomplishing this work. If no effort has been put in this direction then make sure you learn it by heart and understand.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 03, 2018, 08:06:46 AM »

Question: Has man any free will or is everything in his life pre-destined and pre-ordained?

Sri Ramana: Free will holds the field in association with individuality. As long as individuality lasts, there is free-will. All the sastras (scriptures) are based on this fact, and they advise directing the free will in the right channel.

Find out to whom free will or destiny matters. Abide in it. Then these two are transcended. That is the only purpose of discussing these questions. To whom do these questions arise? Find out and be at peace.

- Talks No 426

77. Shine Thou selfless, sapping the pride of those who boast of their free will, Oh Arunachala!

- Akasharamanamalai

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: January 02, 2018, 09:56:28 AM »

Annamalai Swami: Constant meditation is the only way. If you bring the light into your room, the darkness immediately goes away. You have to see that the light is not put out. It has to be continuously burning so that there is no darkness. Until you get firmly established in the Self, you have to continue with your meditation. Doubts take possession of you only if you forget yourself.

Question: Sometimes I am overpowered by self-doubt.

Annamalai Swami: If the meditation is not continuous enough, the other part of the mind becomes predominant. You have to overpower this mind that is taking you away from yourself by repeatedly doing this self-inquiry.

When you churn curd and separate butter and buttermilk, they will not become one again after they have been separated. If you take milk from the cow's udder, it will never go back into the cow again.

In the same way, if you become established in the Self, you will never go back into ignorance again.

LWB, p. 50

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: December 30, 2017, 02:39:44 PM »
Today is the 138th Birth Anniversary of Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi.

Experiences with Maha Periyava: Brahma Jnani?s There and Here Too!

One of the Veda Pandits from Kanchipuram informed Sri Periyava that he was going to Tiruvannamalai and started on his journey. It did not seem that he mentioned the reason for his visit to Tiruvannamalai. Once he reached there, he had a desire to have a darshan of Sri Ramana Maharshi.

When he reached the Ramana Ashram, he had the darshan of Sri Ramana Maharshi and then sat there for lunch in the ashram. He felt that the arrangement there was slightly different. Sri Ramana Maharshi was sitting in the centre. On one side of the Maharshi, they had the Veda Pandits sitting and on the other side, they had the foreigners who were frequently visiting the Maharshi sitting. This arrangement really disturbed the Pandit. As this Veda Pandit had a habit of eating alone in an orthodox manner, he could not accept this arrangement where he was made to sit along with other Pandits and foreigners together.

Also the fact that the Veda Pandits were served sathvik food and the foreigners were served food with onion, increased his mental anguish. The Veda Pandit was unable to accept this as well and could not digest the fact that Sri Ramana Maharshi was sitting in the centre and having His food. As if he identified a big mistake in this procedure, he wanted to inform this to Sri Sri Sri Maha Periyava.

He came back to the SriMatham. First and foremost, he came for Sri Maha Periyava?s darshan to inform all that he saw in the Ramana Ashram. Few devotees were surrounding Sri Periyava and before he could open his mouth to complain, Sri Periyava stopped him by saying, ?There is no need to tell anything now?let?s see it later.?

When Sri Periyava was alone, he came back again. Now, Sri Periyava let the Veda Pandit talk and the Pandit stated all his complaints about the practice being followed in the Ashram.

Sri Periyava, immediately asked the Veda Pandit, ?Did you go there only to see this?? By asking this, Sri Maha Periyava made the Veda Pandit realize his mistake. The Veda Pandit lost his vehemence and also realized his fault.

?In the Sannidhi of Brahma Jnanis, there is nothing wrong or having dosham (erroneous). Do you know?? asked Sri Periyava.

Even after this, Pandit was not fully satisfied. If all that was happening around Sri Ramana Maharshi, a Brahma Jnani, wasn?t it the same for Sri Maha Periyava as well, who is none other than Sakshat Sarveshwara. He thought why were there so many restrictions in the SriMatham?

Sri Periyava started talking as if He understood the Veda Pandit?s thought process. ?You might think why it is not the case here. The practices that are followed here were established by Sri Adi Shankara and nobody can change or override it. There, that Brahma Jnani does not have any such restrictions.?

Even though Sri Periyava stated this in a simple manner that there were differences between Ramana Ashram and SriMatham in the practices that were being followed, the Veda Pandit felt happy that he had realized the truth through the words of Sri Maha Periyava that a Brahma Jnani was Present There And Here Too!

Source: Sri Periyava Mahimai Newsletter ? June 17 2008
Compiled by Jagadguru Sri Maha Periyava - Kanchi Paramacharya/Fb

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 30, 2017, 07:36:27 AM »

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: December 29, 2017, 02:19:33 PM »

You desire to live a worldly life because you have not yet had a vision darshan of God: one should live instead for that experience-

When seeds are roasted there is no chance for them to sprout later. Similarly, when the human mind is roasted in the fire of knowledge and devotion, then there is no chance to return and germinate anew in the cycle of life and death. Therefore, try to become a devotee and knower, jnanavan.
But don't become that type of knower who mutters, ?Sivo'ham, Sivo ?ham, om, om, and Aham brahmasmi, "I am Siva. I am Brahman,? and yet retains love samsara in wealth, women, progeny, and so on. Such superficial knowledge produces more harm than benefit.

When people call themselves Brahman yet stray from dharma and karma, they lack sufficient strength to remain in that state. Hence, as long as you are not free from the love of worldly objects, do not fall into the trap of ?Brahman,? but instead, develop devotion to God When you practice devotion for a long time, greater desire, raga for Bhagavan will dawn, releasing you from the cycle of birth and death.

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 28, 2017, 06:44:49 PM »

Question: How do I give up identification with the body, particularly when I am not in front of Swami? I keep practicing, but I don't have that experience.

Annamalai Swami: Meditate ?I am the Self?. If you do this, the idea that you are the body will go.

'I am the Self? is still an idea, and as such, it belongs in maya, along with all other ideas. But you can begin to conquer maya by giving up utterly wrong ideas that bind you and cause you trouble.

How to do this? Replace them with ideas that are a better reflection of the truth, and which are helpful in leading you towards that truth. If you want to cut iron, you use another piece of iron. ..

Sadhana is a battlefield. You have to be vigilant.

FT- p. 33

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 27, 2017, 09:53:34 AM »

The ego that thinks, 'I must do this,' or, 'I should not do that,' is no longer there. The Self simply animates you and makes you do all the things that need to be done. If you are not in this state, then use your discrimination wisely.

You can choose to sit in a flower garden and enjoy the scent of the blooms, or you can go down to that trench I told you about and make yourself sick by inhaling the fumes there.

So, while you still have an ego, and the power of discrimination that goes with it, use it to inhale the fragrance that you find in the presence of an enlightened being. If you spend time in the proximity of a jnani, his peace will sink into you to such an extent that you will find yourself in a state of peace.

If instead, you choose to spend all your time with people whose minds are always full of bad thoughts, their mental energy and vibrations will start to seep into you.

I tell you regularly, 'You are the Self. Everything is the Self.' If this is not your experience, pretending that 'all is one' may get you into trouble. Advaita may be the ultimate experience, but it is not something that a mind that still sees distinctions can practice.

Electricity is a useful form of energy, but it is also potentially harmful. Use it wisely. Don't put your finger in the socket, thinking,
?All is one.'

You need a body that is in good working order in order to realize the Self. Realizing the Self is the only useful and worthy activity in this life, so keep the body in good repair till that goal is achieved.

Afterwards, the Self will take care of everything and you won't have to worry about anything anymore. In fact, you won't be able to because the mind that previously did the worrying, the choosing and the discriminating will no longer be there. In that state, you won't need it and you won't miss it.

P. 25

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: December 20, 2017, 03:05:57 PM »
Do ?Sevai? daily?.

One day Periyavaa visited a Veda Padasaalai. Periyavaa always visits the kitchen of all Veda Padasaalai He goes to.

He observes if the cook there, performs the cooking with affection and with utmost attention.

The day which Periyavaa visited the Padasaalai, the cook was painstakingly preparing ?Sevai? (Rice Noodles) for the children. Instant Sevai was not available those days and so it took a lot of efforts to make the Sevai.

Looking at this, Periyavaa felt incredibly happy. ?Do you do this frequently?? asked Periyavaa. The cook replied ?I try to do as much as I can. Poor kids ? They are staying away from their home to learn the Vedas. So, I want to ensure that they get good tasty food.?

?I am very happy! Do ?Sevai? daily!? said Periyavaa and came out of the kitchen. The cook was worried thinking ?This is a difficult food to cook which takes a lot of effort. Periyavaa is asking me to do this daily!?

MahaSwami called the cook again and asked, ?Were you scared when I asked you to perform ?Sevai? daily?? The cook?s face showed his fear and he said, ?I will try do as much as I can?.

Periyavaa replied with a smile ?Poor man! Looks like you got scared. This (Rice Noodles) is not the ?Sevai? which I meant. Everyday, you care about what you cook for these children and take great efforts to make them happy right? That?s what I meant! That?s the biggest ?Sevai? (Service)!?

On hearing this, the cook was overjoyed, and he prostrated in front of Maha Periyavaa.

Through this incident, Periyavaa indicates there is no greater service than cooking and serving for the children learning Vedas.

Suppose i go to a guru and am impressed with his long beard or flowing white dress or perhaps logic ...

LOL and the longer the beard the more enlightened that person is

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 17, 2017, 07:20:03 AM »
Guru Perumai 

Source : From a  FB Post
A young man in his mid-twenties knocks on the door of a renowned Guru. He says: ?I?ve come to you because I wish to study Vedas.?

?Do you know Sanskrit?? the Guru asks.

?No,? replies the young man.

?Have you studied any Indian philosophy??

?No. But don?t worry. I just finished my doctoral dissertation at Harvard on Socratic logic. So now, I would just like to round out my education with a little study of the Vedas.?

?I doubt,? the Guru says, ?that you are ready to study Vedas. It is the deepest knowledge ever known. If you wish, however, I am willing to examine you in logic, and if you pass that test I will teach you Vedas.?

The young man agrees.

Guru holds up two fingers. ?Two men come down a chimney. One comes out with a clean face; the other comes out with a dirty face. Which one washes his face??

The young man stares at the Guru. ?Is that really a test in logic??
The Guru nods.

?The one with the dirty face washes his face?- he answers confidently.

?Wrong. The one with the clean face washes his face. Examine the logic. The one with the dirty face looks at the one with the clean face and thinks his face is clean. The one with the clean face looks at the one with the dirty face and thinks his face is dirty. So, the one with the clean face washes his face.?

?Very clever,? the young man says. ?Give me another test.?

The Guru again holds up two fingers. ?Two men come down a chimney. One comes out with a clean face, the other comes out with a dirty face. Which one washes his face??

?We have already established that. The one with the clean face washes his face.?

?Wrong. Each one washes his face. Examine the logic. The one with the dirty face looks at the one with the clean face and thinks his face is clean. The one with the clean face looks at the one with the dirty face and thinks his face is dirty. So, the one with the clean face washes his face. When the one with the dirty face sees the one with the clean face wash his face, he also washes his face. So, each one washes his face.?

?I didn?t think of that,? says the young man. It?s shocking to me that I could make an error in logic. Test me again.?

The Guru holds up two fingers. ?Two men come down a chimney. One comes out with a clean face; the other comes out with a dirty face. Which one washes his face??

?Each one washes his face.?

?Wrong. Neither one washes his face. Examine the logic. The one with the dirty face looks at the one with the clean face and thinks his face is clean. The one with the clean face looks at the one with the dirty face and thinks his face is dirty. But when the one with the clean face sees the one with the dirty face doesn?t wash his face, he also doesn?t wash his face. So, neither one washes his face.?

The young man is desperate. ?I am qualified to study Vedas. Please give me one more test.?

He groans, though, when the Guru lifts two fingers. ?Two men come down a chimney. One comes out with a clean face; the other comes out with a dirty face. Which one washes his face??
?Neither one washes his face.?

?Wrong. Do you now see why logic is an insufficient basis for studying Vedas? Tell me, how is it possible for two men to come down the same chimney, and for one to come out with a clean face and the other with a dirty face? Don?t you see? The whole question is nonsense, foolishness, and if you spend your whole life trying to answer foolish questions, all your answers will be foolish, too.?

May we all have the wisdom to ask, and answer, the wise questions!

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 15, 2017, 09:35:54 PM »

Thanks Udai for the Meditation of Thich Nhat Hanh . I love his books and recently got a condensed ( minor ) version of his books titled "How to Sit" , How to walk and How to eat .

Anil ,Udai

I feel the following conversation from Annamalai Swami will help resolve the so called differences you may have .

Q: The seeker has many ideas: ?I am a jiva (personality), I am bound and have to do sadhana to attain liberation?. Should we forget all these ideas? ?
AS: Yes, forget them all! ?I am the Self, I am all?. Hold onto this awareness. All other paths are roundabouts.
Q: Bhagavan said that repeating, ?I am the Self? or ?I am not this body? is an aid to inquiry but does not constitute the inquiry itself.
AS: The meditation, ?I am not the body or the mind, I am the immanent Self? is a great aid for as long as one is not able to do self-inquiry properly or constantly.
Bhagavan said, ?Keeping the mind in the Heart is self-inquiry?. If you cannot do this by asking ?Who am I?? or by taking the I-thought back to its source, then meditation on the awareness ?I am the all-pervasive Self? is a great aid.
Bhagavan often said that we should read and study the Ribhu Gita regularly.

In the Ribhu Gita it is said: ?That bhavana (mental attitude) ?I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am Brahman, I am everything,? is to be repeated again and again until this becomes the natural state.?
Bhagavan sat with us every day while we chanted extracts from the Ribhu Gita which affirm the reality of the Self. It is true that he said that these repetitions are only an aid to self-inquiry, but they are a very powerful aid.
By practicing this way the mind becomes more and more attuned to the reality. When the mind has become purified by this practice, it is easier to take it back to its source and keep it there. When one is able to abide in the Self directly, one doesn?t need aids like this. But if this is not possible these practices can definitely help one.
- Living by the Words of Bhagavan, p.294

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 14, 2017, 07:33:45 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi

Thanks for the inputs regarding Gayathri Mantra . Sringeri Acharya Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal has given an excellent explanation as how the daily Sandhya Worship itself is more than enough for atma gynana ( first stage (as young boys ) we do it ritualistically i.e mechanically worshiping the physical sun  then next stage we do it as a upasana and the last stage ( after understanding its meaning ) we do it as a Niddhidhaysana directing our attention to the Atma which is the inner sun  ) .
BTW Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal also mentions that each and every work of Adi Shankara be it small like ( eka shloki with just one verse ) or large like Upadesa Sahasri ( 1000 verses )  has the same subject matter and if you understand even the ekashloki properly no need to study other texts . My Vedanta Guru Swami Paramarthananda also says the same i.e you have to understand the real meaning of the Maha Vakyas ( I am Brahman ) and if you are able to get this understanding from a simple text or a small upanishad the work is over and rest of the time you have to start owning up to this knowledge through Niddhidhaysana . Ripe students get this understanding very quickly but for the majority it is usually a long process of study and reflection over many years .

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