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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: August 17, 2016, 09:21:38 AM »
Got this today in my email .The author of the quote is not important . But we have to reflect the truth of the same in our own lives .

Apparent Choice

Yesterday's reflection stated that there is no "you" in control or making choices. The experience of having no choice can be absolutely liberating. The experience is showing you that life is just happening spontaneously.

Yet, paradoxically, apparent choice arises. Out of nowhere comes a thought that you have a choice between two options: between continuing to replay a past resentment or allowing awareness to see that resentment as nothing more than presently arising thought and emotion.

Notice that even this apparent choice arises spontaneously and involuntarily. Then experience and enjoy the choice. Making choices apparently happens within the dream of the thought-based, time-bound self. Do not try to suppress that self. Just see that it is a dream of time, a dream that you are a person who has control and who can choose to do something now to bring about some future outcome.

Enjoy apparent choice but see it for what is truly is ... a dream of thought. The dream of self, and therefore the dream of apparent choice, arises spontaneously and involuntarily from the choiceless, timeless, formless presence that you really are.

General Discussion / Re: Vishnu Sahasranama
« on: August 16, 2016, 03:32:25 PM »
Here is a Kanchi Paramacharya's Devotees experience with regard to the power of Chanting Vishnu Sahasranamam to bring in peace between 2  communities

I will narrate an incident I witnessed personally. It was February,1972, a day or so before Shivaratri.. Mahaperiyava was staying at Shivastanam. I was then working in Nagpur but had gone to have darshan of Mahaperiyava, with a friend of mine from Madras. We were about 20-25 persons standing there before him. He talked to each one of us by turn, enquiring about our purvikam. After some time a group of villagers suddenly entered there amid some noise. There had been some Hindu-Muslim disturbances in and around Arni those days and the villagers started talking about them. Mahaperiyava listened closely and started questioning the villagers ? he asked them whether they had been personally affected, whether any one of them was actually hurt, whether they were beaten or pelted with stones, whether their dwellings were damaged, whether any weapons or sticks were used, who started it all and how, whether they resorted to violence first or merely responded in kind, etc.. This went on for about half an hour. Suddenly Mahaperiyava fell silent. After about 5 minutes, he asked that Vishnu Sahasranamam be recited. He closed his eyes, and placed on his head some garland of Tulsi leaves which was lying before him. The Sastrigals who were there started the recital, which was joined in by others in the group who knew. Some ladies also joined in the recital , but this was objected to by the Pandits, saying ladies should not join. ( To this day, I am not able to understand this.) Of course the ladies did not care, and the recitation went on. Mahaperiyava did not open his eyes till some time after conclusion of the recitation. He slowly opened his eyes, looked around the people in front and blessed them He asked the villagers not to be afraid. To me it appeared that Mahaperiyaval?s message that day was that group recital of Vishnu Sahasranama was an effective remedy for or protection against social disturbances.

General Discussion / Re: Vishnu Sahasranama
« on: August 16, 2016, 03:24:07 PM »
atmavichar / ravi sir,

please tell me one thing.  as regards me, I am fully fluent on both Vishnu and lalitha sahasranama. 

nowadays my mind simply refuses and is not inclined to chant all these beautiful sthothras.....all it is dwelling is on desires, lust and fear .

if someone has to learn these stothras it is different, but for someone who has heard this and can chant without seeing book ( along with others) ,  if then also I am not chanting, simply immersed in endless desires and fears, how to come out? please suggest practical tips.

Dear Kskat

I am not a Guru to give you exact solutiuon for the problem you are facing but as a fellow spiritual traveller I have found the following effective :
The mind goes through periods of Sattva , Rajas , Tamas and when it is Tamasic or Rajasic many people on the spiritual path get confused and feel guilty  more so when the mind is Tamasic . Best in that case is get group energy by attending Satsangs ( either Ramana Satsangs or any Group Satsangs like Vishnu Sahasranama Parayana , Rudra Parayana ) or be part of some spiritual group tours ( expecially where there is weekend trip etc ) . This will help turn your Tamas into Spiritual Rajas and from there soon you will come to Sattva State and once the Sattva is there , you will have more clarity and less confusion .
When in Tamas never spend time alone .Just go out ,visit a Temple or take part in some satsang or join a spiritual group tour to Tirupathi , Thiruvanamali etc . This is the first stage and once you keep doing this  the rest will fall into place auto matically .

General Discussion / Re: Vishnu Sahasranama
« on: August 16, 2016, 03:12:25 PM »
So,there is nothing that is truly not in line with the teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi....every teaching has its place and time...and Vishnu Sahasranamam is something that Sri Adi Sankara has written a commentary on...and as long as people learn to chant it (even with whatever expectations)it is good....later on they can come to benefit by getting to understand it.

Very True .  I have found Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam as the best starting point for those who are interested in being on the spiritual path  and who also have a very big guilt that they do not follow the Traditional Karmas ( like Sandhya Vandanam , Pitru Karma , Visit to Temples , Observing Ekadasi fast etc etc ) .  I was myself like that many years back and after taking to regular chanting of Sri Vishnu Sahasranama ( along with my Yoga Sadhana ) things started to fall in place . The 6 Questions asked by Yudishtra to Bhishma which provides the context for which Vishnu Sahasranama came about is the question every person confused on the spiritual path will ask . The questions have been already posted by Sri Ravi and I  will again Post it here :

1. kimEkam dhaivatam lokE?
    Who is the greatest Lord in the world?
2. kim vaapyEkam parAyaNam?         
    Who is the one refuge of all?
3. stuvantam kam prApnuyuh mAnavah subham?   
    By glorifying whom, can man attain peace and prosperity?
4. kam arcanat prApnuyuh mAnavaah subham?           
    By worshipping whom can man reach auspiciousness?
5. kO dharmah sarva dharmANaam bhavatah paramO matah?         
    What is, in thy opinion, the greatest Dharma?
6. kim japam mucyatE jantur janma samsAra bandhanAth?         
    By doing Japa of what, can creature go beyond the bonds and cycle of birth and death?

The answer to all these is simple : Chant the 1000 Names of Lord Vishnu . This was given by Bhishma in the Presence of Lord Krishna ( who was an avathara of Lord Vishnu itself ) .

So instead of having guilt about not doing once Nitya Karmas etc if we daily chant the Sahasranama ( even if it is for Material Benefits ) we will find lot of positive things happening in our life and in due course we will find ourselves chanting it not just  for material benefit but also for the spiritual well being . Sri Adi Shankara has given an excellent commentary on the same and according to many Vedantina teachers  these 1000 names are an excellent tool for our own Niddhidhyasanam .

Sri Kanchi Mahaswamigal always requested people who were accompanying him in his Pada Yatra  to Chant Vishnu Sahasranamam and also before his Maha samadhi this wonderful stotra was recited twice .
This stotra can be chanted for an auspicious occassion  and also when people are in distress ( due to illness or death ) .
I will continue to write more about this and as I said the intention is not just for material wellbeing but also for one's spiritual growth that Sri Vishnu Sahasranamam must be chanted and that is the primary motive behind the starting of this thread .

For those first-grade sadhus who aspire only to reach the Feet of Lord Siva [God], it is better to live as an object to be pitied in the eyes of the worldly people rather than to be envied.

('Guru Vachaka Korai', v. 665.)

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: August 15, 2016, 05:57:06 PM »
Thanks Nagaraj for sharing Sringeri Acharya's interivew with regard to Sandhyavandanam .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: August 15, 2016, 05:54:25 PM »
Today 15 August 2016 is India's Independence day and so sharing the MESSAGE GIVEN BY HIS HOLINESS Sri Kanchi Mahaswamigal on 15 AUGUST 1947 ? Independence Day .

On this happy occasion when our country Bharat has attained Independence, the people of this ancient country must pray whole heartedly and with one mind to Sri Bhagavan. Let us all pray to God to vouch safe to us strength of mind and energy to engage ourselves more and more in attaining spiritual knowledge. It is only by the grace of Almighty that we can safeguard the freedom that we have achieved and also help all the living beings on earth to lead a happy life.

It is worthy to note that luckily the Chakra of Bhagavan, who is the embodiment of Dharma, has its place in the centre of our National Flag. This Chakra reminds us of the moral values enjoined by Emperor Ashoka, who is historically famous as Devanampriyaha. Further, the Chakra makes us contemplate on the spiritual discipline imparted by Bhagavan Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita. That Dharma which shines in the form of a Chakra is clear from Lord Krishna?s reference to the Chakra as ?Evam pravartitam chakram? in Verse 16 of the III chapter of the Bhagavad Gita. Also in Verses 14 and 15 of the same chapter Bhagavan avers that ? The human body originates from food, food grains grow because of rains, rain showers because of performance of Yajnas(Vedic Sacrifices), these Yajnas are prescribed in the Veda and that the Veda has emanated from Brahman who is in the form of Akshara(Sound recorded as letter of the alphabet)?. Thus, the Dharma Chakra explains to us that the supreme Brahman is manifest in Vedic sacrifices. May this Independence, dawning with the rightful remembrance of Emperor Ashoka, grant us such fruits as Aram(Dharma or Righteousness) Porul(Wealth), Inbam(Happiness) and Veedu(Moksha ? deliverance), by the grace of God.

There are three stripes in our National Flag. They are of dark green, white and orange colours. These colours seem to indicate to us, that military strength for protection from enemies and evil, wealth for welfare and prosperity, and knowledge for the sake of proper administration are essential for the nation. It may be remembered that dark green is the colour of Durga ? the Parasakti who is the mother protector, Mahalakshmi, the goddess of wealth and prosperity is of orange colour(golden hue) and Saraswathi the source divine of all knowledge is white in colour. It is a happy coincidence that the colour of the three Shakthis(Goddesses of Power) are seen in the three stripes of the National Flag.

For long, the Indian Nation has strived hard for winning freedom. By the grace of God, by the blessings of great men, and by the unique sacrifice of the people, independence has been won. Let us all pray to the Omnipresent God to shower his grace so that with the hard won freedom, our country becomes prosperous, is rid of famine, and there are no social skirmishes and the entire nation lives in an atmosphere of amity and kindness.

Now that freedom has been attained by the nation, all of us must also try to develop Independence. If we understand ourselves fully we may consider ourselves as independent. We are not capable of controlling the senses. We are unable to suppress desire and control anger, which always troubles us. Whichever thing in whatever measure we obtain does not lead us to contentment. Worldly sufferings cause worry to us. The mind gets confused on noticing these sufferings. What is the way out of all these? we must try to control, albeit gradually the mind which has been functioning vigorously for such a long time. Once the mind is set at rest, we will not be in need of anything. That state of mind which ensures complete freedom is what we must attempt to achieve.

Every day atleast some time should be set apart for practising the control of mind and bereft of other thoughts, we must meditate upon God. Then gradually, the mind will become calm, whereupon we will have the mental power to subjugate desire and anger. Spiritual knowledge will accrue fast for him who practises such meditation. Only these who attain such true spiritual knowledge can truly be independent citizens.

Any woman other than one?s wife must be respected as one?s own mother. We must regard other living beings as we would regard ourselves. Even at the risk of death, truth alone must be spoken. Petty social feuds must be averted totally, Every one must strive for improving his knowledge and his spiritual attainments and move with others in an atmosphere of kindness. We must sincerely wish that all people should live happily and peacefully.

Dharmo Rakshati Rakshitaha

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: August 15, 2016, 01:41:53 PM »
Do Not Giveup Sandhyavandanam!

Experiences with Maha Periyava: ?Problems arose because you all gave up Sandhyavandanam!?

Once over forty Brahmins from the area, Vanniya Teynampet in Madras came to have darshan of Maha Periyava. After their obeisance to the Sage, they expressed their common mental agony that Brahmins were not able to go around in that area with respect as some atheists made fun and showed animosity whenever they came across the hair tufts, sacred threads, and Vaishnavite marks that adorned the body of a Brahmin.

As He heard this, Sri Maha Periyava asked them, ?Do you people do the Sandhyavandanam every day?? There was silence. He then advised them, ?Continue to do the Sandhyavandanam and Gayatri Japam daily. Everything will be all right.?

As advised, they started doing the Sandhyavandanam and daily. Within two months the situation changed to their complete satisfaction. They met Periyava happily and conveyed the news. Periyava told them, ?All the problems are due to your giving up the Sandhyavandanam and Gayatri mantra. The power of Gayatri mantra is immeasurable.?

If each one of us followed our respective Dharma sincerely, daily, then society will respect everyone (not only Brahmins) automatically.

In the comment section of the above article found the following incident where Mahaperiva once again reiterates the importance of Sandhya Vandanam

In the context of ?Tri kala Sandhya Vandanam?
An incident with Sri Maha Periyava during His camp in Satara. A devotee was telling his grievances ,his sufferings, his ill health, loss in business,children not studying ,no mental Peaceetc. He was advised by an astrologer to perform Navagraha Homam. His Purohit gave a huge estimate,which ,he could not afford etc.
Sri Maha Periyava listened patiently and asked him whether he performs sandhya vandanam?The devotee
hesitatingly said NO. HH asked if he remembers the Manras and the vprocedure. He said YES.. HH asked, whether he remembered the argyams?Adityam tarpayami,onwards, The man said Yes. HH asked ?why then,he was not doing Sandhya ???He said ?No time? due to his work and commitments.. HH asked him?r
to think of what he achieved by not doing Tri kaala Sandhya?.He advised him to go back and start performing Tri kala Sandhya regularly. He said during the argyam to Nava grahas and in continiation,?Kesavam tarpayaami??perfecrly, thinking of each of the Nava Grahas and the Dwadasa namam the lord , for each argyam ,..with devotion?.would help him to come out of the situation, and there would be no need to spend a huge sum for performing Nava graha Homam?.In thisvprocess, you spend only Time and No Money. HH asked him to come and see Him, after 6 months.

No need to mention?.the devotee met H H after 6 thank Him saying, that, without having had to perform Nava Graha Homam etc, and by only following Hiis simple advice of performing Trinkala Sandya,
as prescribed ?vedanarayanan pune



Q: Is contact between spiritual leaders of the East and West possible. Is India the spiritual world center?

M: Spirit is unlimited and formless, and so is the spiritual center. There is only one such center.

Whether in the West or the East, the center cannot be different. It has no locality. Being unlimited, it includes leaders, world, forces of destruction and construction.

You speak of contact because you are thinking of embodied beings as leaders. Spiritual people are not bodies; they are not aware of their bodies. They are spirit: limitless and formless. There is always unity among them. These questions cannot arise if the Self is realized.

Q: Why don't Mahatmas help?

M: How do you know they do not help? Public speeches, physical activity and material help are all outweighed by the silence of the Mahatmas. This accomplishes more than anything else.

p. 146.

General Discussion / Re: Vishnu Sahasranama
« on: August 13, 2016, 08:19:01 AM »

I have corrected my Original post and also given the source of the same .Kindly go through it and better to chant the Original Vishnu Sahasranama fully and intersted people can then add the verses pertaining to their own nakshatra 11 times as suggested by the Vaishnava Acharya .

General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: August 12, 2016, 10:44:15 AM »
Om Namo Bhagavate Sivanandaya -Chanting by Swami Chidananda to his beloved holy master Swami Sivananda.

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