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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 15, 2017, 09:35:54 PM »

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Thanks Udai for the Meditation of Thich Nhat Hanh . I love his books and recently got a condensed ( minor ) version of his books titled "How to Sit" , How to walk and How to eat .

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Anil ,Udai

I feel the following conversation from Annamalai Swami will help resolve the so called differences you may have .

CONVERSATIONS WITH ANNAMALAI SWAMI
Q: The seeker has many ideas: ?I am a jiva (personality), I am bound and have to do sadhana to attain liberation?. Should we forget all these ideas? ?
AS: Yes, forget them all! ?I am the Self, I am all?. Hold onto this awareness. All other paths are roundabouts.
Q: Bhagavan said that repeating, ?I am the Self? or ?I am not this body? is an aid to inquiry but does not constitute the inquiry itself.
AS: The meditation, ?I am not the body or the mind, I am the immanent Self? is a great aid for as long as one is not able to do self-inquiry properly or constantly.
Bhagavan said, ?Keeping the mind in the Heart is self-inquiry?. If you cannot do this by asking ?Who am I?? or by taking the I-thought back to its source, then meditation on the awareness ?I am the all-pervasive Self? is a great aid.
Bhagavan often said that we should read and study the Ribhu Gita regularly.

In the Ribhu Gita it is said: ?That bhavana (mental attitude) ?I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am Brahman, I am everything,? is to be repeated again and again until this becomes the natural state.?
Bhagavan sat with us every day while we chanted extracts from the Ribhu Gita which affirm the reality of the Self. It is true that he said that these repetitions are only an aid to self-inquiry, but they are a very powerful aid.
By practicing this way the mind becomes more and more attuned to the reality. When the mind has become purified by this practice, it is easier to take it back to its source and keep it there. When one is able to abide in the Self directly, one doesn?t need aids like this. But if this is not possible these practices can definitely help one.
- Living by the Words of Bhagavan, p.294

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 14, 2017, 07:33:45 AM »
Dear Sri Ravi


Thanks for the inputs regarding Gayathri Mantra . Sringeri Acharya Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal has given an excellent explanation as how the daily Sandhya Worship itself is more than enough for atma gynana ( first stage (as young boys ) we do it ritualistically i.e mechanically worshiping the physical sun  then next stage we do it as a upasana and the last stage ( after understanding its meaning ) we do it as a Niddhidhaysana directing our attention to the Atma which is the inner sun  ) .
BTW Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal also mentions that each and every work of Adi Shankara be it small like ( eka shloki with just one verse ) or large like Upadesa Sahasri ( 1000 verses )  has the same subject matter and if you understand even the ekashloki properly no need to study other texts . My Vedanta Guru Swami Paramarthananda also says the same i.e you have to understand the real meaning of the Maha Vakyas ( I am Brahman ) and if you are able to get this understanding from a simple text or a small upanishad the work is over and rest of the time you have to start owning up to this knowledge through Niddhidhaysana . Ripe students get this understanding very quickly but for the majority it is usually a long process of study and reflection over many years .

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 12, 2017, 08:17:31 AM »
CHADWICK'S ENLIGHTENMENT
Once, I asked Chadwick, ?Are you realized?? I have put this question to all of the old devotees like Muruganar, Cohen, Osborne, Sadhu Natanananda, Devaraja Mudaliar and others. None of them either said yes or no - all smiled.
When I asked him whether he was realized, he did not say yes or no. Instead, he told me, ?I will tell you what happened. After many years of my stay with Bhagavan - four or five years, I committed the mistake of trying to evaluate how much I had progressed spiritually. This is a thing any seeker should not do. I felt that I had not progressed.
Many who saw me in Ramanasramam, looked at me like I was a sage or a saint saying, ?Oh! He is so fortunate. He is so close to Bhagavan. He meditates so much. He is already in that state.‟
This created a contradiction in me as I personally felt that I was not progressing spiritually. However, having left the material life I could not go back to a worldly life either. I felt caught between the devil and the deep sea.
I was sorrow-stricken. I ran to Bhagavan's hall. He was alone. I told him, ?Bhagavan, this is my plight. I am neither here nor there and this causes much sorrow in me.‟
Bhagavan looked at me compassionately and said, "Chadwick, who says all this?‟
Immediately, there was a current like shock in my body and I literally ran to my room, shut the doors and went into a neutral state. I was not bothered whether I was spiritually maturing or whether I would be able to stay in the world. I was in a neutral state of silence. A few days passed like that wherein I was neither happy nor worried.?
The only luxury that Chadwick allowed himself was taking his bath in a bathtub which he had in the verandah of his cottage. One day, shortly after the above incident, something happened unexpectedly.
As Chadwick told me later, ?I was taking my bath and very honestly Ganesan, I was not in a spiritual state or in a prayerful mood when it suddenly dawned - the ?I AM‟!?
He experienced it - not just as words. He was so ecstatic that he did not even dry himself. He just wrapped a towel around his waist and ran to the Old Hall from where a few days back he had run away. Fortunately, this time too, Bhagavan was alone. In this spiritual ecstasy of experiencing the ?I AM‟, where there was no Chadwick, just the ?I AM‟, he asked Bhagavan, ?Bhagavan, is
THIS it??
Chadwick recounted, ?Bhagavan gave me the most glorious smile, and then confirmed, ?Yes, Chadwick, THIS is THAT!‟ I then asked him, ?Bhagavan, is it so simple?‟
Bhagavan replied, ?Yes it is that simple.
‟ Since then, I've never had any doubt.?
Ramana Periya Puranam

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 11, 2017, 08:20:57 AM »
Today i.e 11 Dec is the birthday of the great Tamil Poet Sri Subramania Bharati and sharing one of his famous poem which can be used also as a daily prayer to the Lord



Here is the  audio of the same

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8y6rzgAc94

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 10, 2017, 11:57:48 AM »
In every moment you only have one real choice: to be aware of the Self or to identify with the body and the mind.
Annamalai Swami

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Thanks Sri Ravi for starting this thread

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 09, 2017, 03:24:29 PM »
Dear Sri Ravi , here is the context in which David Godman gave the reply that I have mentioned above
http://davidgodman.org/interviews/al1.shtml

Maalok: If somebody wants to start practicing the teachings of Ramana Maharshi, where and how should they start?


David: This is another classic question: 'What should I do?' However, the question itself is misconceived. It is based on the erroneous assumption that happiness and peace are states that can be experienced by striving, by effort. The busy mind covers up the peace and the silence that is your own natural state, so if you put the mind in gear and use it to pursue some spiritual goal, you are usually taking it away from the peace, not towards it. This is a hard concept for many people to grasp.
     People found their own inner peace in Sri Ramana's presence because they didn't interfere with the energy that was eradicating their minds, their sense of being a particular person who has ideas, beliefs, and so on. The true practice of Sri Ramana's teachings is remaining quiet, remaining in a state of inner mental quiescence that allows the power of Sri Ramana to seep into your heart and transform you. This can be summarized in one of Sri Ramana's classic comments: 'Just keep quiet. Bhagavan will do the rest.'
     If you use the phrase 'practicing the teachings,' the following sequence is assumed: that Sri Ramana speaks of some goal that has to be attained, that he gives you some route, some practice, to reach that goal, and that you then use your mind to vigorously move towards that goal. The mind wants to be in charge of this operation. It wants to listen to the Guru, understand what is required, and then use itself to move in the prescribed direction. All this is wrong. Mind is not the vehicle one uses to carry out the teachings; it is, instead, the obstacle that prevents one from directly experiencing them. The only useful, productive thing the mind can do is disappear.
     Sri Ramana himself always said that his true teachings were given out in silence. Those who were receptive to them were the ones who could get out of the way mentally, allowing Sri Ramana's silent emanations to work on them. In the benedictory verse to his philosophical poem Ulladu Narpadu Sri Ramana wrote, and I paraphrase a little: 'Who can meditate on that which alone exists. One cannot meditate on it because one is not apart from it. One can only be it.' This is the essence of Sri Ramana's teachings. 'Be what you are and remain as you are without having any thoughts. Don't try to meditate on the Self, on God. Just abide silently at the source of the mind and you will experience that you are God, that you are the Self.'

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 09, 2017, 03:02:16 PM »
This is another reply from David Godman on What actually constitutes Bhagavan Ramana's Teachings .

DG: What are Sri Ramana's teachings? If you ask people who have become acquainted with his life and work, you might get several answers such as "advaita" or "self-inquiry." I don't think Sri Ramana's teachings were either a belief system or a philosophy, such as advaita, or a practice, such as self-inquiry.
     Sri Ramana himself would say that his principal teaching was silence, by which he meant the wordless radiation of power and grace that he emanated all the time. The words he spoke, he said, were for the people who didn't understand these real teachings. Everything he said was therefore a kind of second-level teaching for people who were incapable of dissolving their sense of "I" in his powerful presence. You may understand his words, or at least think that you do, but if you think that these words constitute his teachings, then you have really misunderstood him.

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 08, 2017, 06:44:56 PM »
Q: If somebody wants to start practicing the teachings of Ramana Maharshi, where and how should they start?
David: This is another classic question: 'What should I do?' However, the question itself is misconceived. It is based on the erroneous assumption that happiness and peace are states that can be experienced by striving, by effort. The busy mind covers up the peace and the silence that is your own natural state, so if you put the mind in gear and use it to pursue some spiritual goal, you are usually taking it away from the peace, not towards it. This is a hard concept for many people to grasp.
People found their own inner peace in Sri Ramana's presence because they didn't interfere with the energy that was eradicating their minds, their sense of being a particular person who has ideas, beliefs, and so on. The true practice of Sri Ramana's teachings is remaining quiet, remaining in a state of inner mental quiescence that allows the power of Sri Ramana to seep into your heart and transform you. This can be summarized in one of Sri Ramana's classic comments: 'Just keep quiet. Bhagavan will do the rest.'
- David Godman, Interviews

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General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: December 04, 2017, 02:35:23 PM »
SIVANANDA DAILY READING FOR 31 MAY
THE SUPREME REMEDY

 
 
When allopathy, homeopathy, chromopathy, naturopathy, ayurvedapathy
and all other 'pathies' fail to cure a disease, the divine namapathy
alone can save you. The name of the Lord is a sovereign specific, a
sheet-anchor, an infallible panacea and a cure-all for all diseases.
It is an ideal or supreme 'pick-me-up' in gloom and despair, in
depression and sorrow, in the daily battle of life or the struggle
for existence, There is a mysterious power in the name. There is an
inscrutable sakti (power) in God's name! All the divine potencies are
hidden in the Lord's name. It is the cream or the quintessence of
Chyavana-Prasha, Makaradhwaji almonds, Vasanta-Kusumakara or Svarna-
Bhasma or gold oxide. It is a mysterious, ineffable divine injection.
 
 
 
You can take this medicine or nama-japa (repetition of God's name)
yourself, for curing any disease. You can administer this marvellous
medicine to other patients also in your house or elsewhere. Sit by
the side of the patient and repeat, with sincere devotion and faith,
the name of the Lord, like Hari Om, Sri Ram, Om Namahsivaya, and sing
his names also: "Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare; Hare
Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare." Pray for his mercy
and grace. All maladies and agonies will come to an end. Do the
treatment of nama-japa for at least two hours in the morning and
evening. You will find the miraculous effect within a short time.
Both the doctor and the patient should have perfect faith in the
Lord's name, his mercy and grace. The real doctor is only Lord
Narayana.
 
 
Lord Dhanvantari, the physician of the three worlds (who expounded
the ayurvedic medical science), has himself declared: "By the
medicine of the repetition of the names, Achyuta, Ananta, Govinda,
all diseases are cured - this is my definite and honest declaration."
 
 
In all treatments Lord Narayana is the real doctor. You find that
even the world's best doctors fail to cure a dying king. You might
have also heard of many instances where patients ailing from the
worst type of diseases are cured miraculously, where even the ablest
doctors have declared the case hopeless. This itself is clear proof
that there is the divine hand behind all cures.
 
 
The divine name will eradicate the disease of birth and death and
bestow on you moksa, liberation or immortality.

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General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: November 21, 2017, 10:10:32 PM »

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General topics / Re: What is Self Inquiry ?
« on: November 20, 2017, 07:51:03 AM »
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When we observe that the world is totally out of control, and say "this is not my business" [as Annamalai Swami ji said], we automatically resolve. The world is totally out of control and it is therefore not our business. Having this attitude "its none of our business" is another name for self inquiry.

Thanks for the above quote Udai
Bhagavan always told people to mind their business and there is a funny incident to narrate this . Once a person came to the Ashram and he used to just eat well and then go to sleep snoring loudly . One devotee of Bhagavan ( I think Kanakammal ) was observing this for few days and was deeply disturbed by this and went and complained to Bhagvan saying "Look Bhgavan that man is just coming to the dining hall eating nicely and then going to sleep and he  has been doing this for the last few days " and Bhagavan slowly replied to her "He is attending to the work he came for ( i.,e eating and sleeping )  and you attend to the work you came for here ( i.e to do atma vichara )  i,e basically MIND YOUR BUSINESS . For me personally this is the most important teaching of Bhagavan especially when I end up frustrated judging people or situations in the world as why these things happen , why do these people behave this way and so whenever I get disturbed I used to remember this incident and then smile to myself .

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General topics / Re: Reality and Fact
« on: November 13, 2017, 02:59:02 PM »
Dear Udai

I have sent you a PM . Kindly look into it .

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