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General topics / Re: Being introduced to the teachings of Bhagavan
« on: September 25, 2012, 12:04:28 PM »
My interest in Bhawan and his teachings started from 1999  onwards when I used to visit Thiruvanamalai along with some of my Yoga friends for a Yoga retreat during weekends . First we used to go in big groups ,then it was small groups and later only me and my closest friend used to visit Thiruvanamalai during weekends . My last visit was in Dec 2009 and after which I never visiting again Thiruvanamalai and lost the interest also . Currently I like to spend more time in solitude doing my own sadhana which is primarily Yoga Sadhana and reading spiritual books , listening to spiritual talks and spiritual journal writing . If at all I like to visit any place , it is Rishikesh to sit by the banks of Mother Ganga and spend time in solitude there .I do not know how to describe my relationship with Bhagwan Ramana as I have been influenced by the teachings of various teachers from various disciplines like Yoga , Classical Advaita , Self Enquiry path etc .
But I got answers to many of my doubts after reading the book "Living by the Words of Bhagwan" by David Godman and for me the teaching of Bhagwan that impressed me most and that I always use as a Maha Mantra is " Mind your Business and attend to you what you came here for " . Bhagwan used this powerful statement to remind people in Ramanasharm  who complained to him about the ways by which the ashram was being run by Chinnaswamy .
I use this statement for myself when I try to find fault with others or want to complain about others or get upset about others behavior thinking why people behave like this .  Whenever my mind gets bit agitated due to the above reasons I use Bhagwan's Maha Mantra -"Mind Your Business " and this Maha Mantra has helped me to stop being too reactive and to move ahead without getting trapped in stories and drama about others etc . Of course I Wont say that I am very successful in this but it is an ongoing sadhana for me .
Currently this is my only Sadhana that I practice with respect to Bhagwan's teachings .However I have kept as an ongoing project to read Bhagwan's Tamil Works slowly but steadily whenever I get time .

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Ganges
« on: September 23, 2012, 10:35:30 PM »

Thanks Hari for this pic of Rishikesh in RamJhula area .I sit opposite these buildings on the other side of Ganges near the Gita Bhavan Ghat  and spend time in solitude .

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The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Re: Ganges
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:36:02 PM »
Again this is an Old thread that I came across only now .

Only yesterday I read a dialogue of Papaji with some of his devotees and when they requested him to suggest places for Pilgrimage or places to practice atma vichar , he said only need not go anywhere and best is to practice self enquiry wherever one is but yet he said for people deeply interested he gave 2 places and 1) Arunachala and 2) Ganges River .
In My early part of sadhana I had visited Arunachala a lot , done Girivalam , went up the hills and mediated in Virupaksha Cave , Skandashram etc and also stayed at Ramana Ashram had darshan of Sri Lakshmana Swamy at his residence and my last visit to Arunachala was in Dec 2009 and after that I have been only visiting Rishikesh to spend time in solitude by the banks of Mother Ganga near Ram Jhula area opp the Sivanada Ashram .
These days Mother Ganga pulls me a lot and I always like to visit her in Rishikesh . I daily chant Adi Shankara's Ganga Stotram mentally imagining myself to be on the banks of Ganga and it feels very refreshing .
I found lot of similarities between Ganges and Arunachala . What Arunacahla was to Bhagwan , Ganga was to Swami Sivananda and both stayed close to their place of Interest and did not move much . Only once Swami Sivananda moved out of Rishiesk for an All India tour but major part of his life was close to Ganges .
Bhagwan Ramana says that Arunachala is a silent teacher and Swami Sivananda says that Ganges is also a silent teacher .
The following is the message of Swami Sivananda on Mother Ganga as  a  Supremeb being and also as a Silent teacher
Quote

GANGA—A FORM OF THE SUPREME BEING

Ganga is the form of Vishnu. She came out of the Supreme Being. Her sight is soul-stirring and elevating. She flows in the valleys and lives by the side of Parvati, daughter of Himavan. How magnificent she is when she flows in the valley of Rishikesh! She has a blue colour like that of the ocean. The water is extremely clear and sweet. Rich people from the plains get water from Rishikesh. It is taken in big copper vessels to far-off places in India.

To have a look at the Ganga in Rishikesh is soul-elevating. To sit for a few minutes on a block of stone by the side of the Ganga is a blessing. To stay for some months in Rishikesh on the banks of the Ganga and do Anushthana or Purascharana is great Tapas which will take the aspirant to the abode of Lord Hari. To live for ever on the banks of the Ganga and spend the life in meditation is Sivanandam. Mother Ganga bestows seen and unseen powers on those crave for Her grace. Sit alone on the banks of the Ganga. Concentrate. Meditate. Realise how spiritual vibrations accelerate your inner heart, even overriding your guilty conscience. Where has the supreme joy that fills you now all over, come from all on a sudden! How she does instantaneously withdraw your mind and conscience from the physical world to the regions of immortality, only to suckle you with bliss and blessedness!

A SILENT TEACHER


The Ganga starts from Gangotri in Himalayas. She encounters many obstacles on her way, but she finally reaches the goal—the ocean. Similarly, the Sadhaka should never give up his struggle, however insurmountable the obstacles in the path may appear to be.
All difficulties and obstacles will be removed through the grace of the Lord if he is sincere in his Yogic practices, and he will reach the goal.

The Ganga gives you always cool, pure water. It does not expect anything from you in return. The sun sheds its light on all without anticipating any reward. Derive lessons from them. Always give, give. Ask nothing in return. Expect nothing in return. Do not expect even appreciation, approbation, or recognition.

A rogue and a saint can drink the water of the Ganga. The sun sheds its light on the wicked and the virtuous. The mango tree gives its fruits both for the caretaker and the man who cuts its branches. Develop equal vision like the Ganga, the sun and the mango tree. I love Ganga and the Himalayas. Ganga is my Mother Divine. Himalayas is my Father Divine. They inspire and guide me. I take bath in Ganga . I swim in Ganga. I adore Ganga. I feed the fishes of Ganga. I wave light to Mother Ganga. I pray to Ganga. I do salutations to Ganga . I sing the glory of Ganga. I write about the grandeur and glory of Ganga.

Ganga has nourished me. Ganga has comforted me. Ganga has taught me the truths of the Upanishads.

O friend! Follow the lines of Mother Ganga. Be pure. Be adaptable. Be tolerant. Be forgiving. Be sweet. Pour out your love on all. Share what you have—physical, moral, mental and spiritual—with the whole of humanity. The more you give the more you get. Give without any selfish motive, without expecting any reward. Embrace all. Cultivate equal vision.

All glory be unto Mother Ganga, the giver of life, light and love. Worship Her with faith, devotion and piety. Adore Her with flowers of purity, love, self-restraint and equal vision. Sing Her Names. Attain Brahman through Her grace. May Mother Ganga bless you all! May She help you to live on Her banks and practise Yoga and Tapas.


--Swami Sivananda


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General topics / Re: What is purpose of chakras ?
« on: September 20, 2012, 02:37:56 PM »


In Skanda Guru Kavacham, there is a verse "Siddiyile  Periya Siddhi Jnana Siddhi" i.e highest of all Siddhis is Jnana Siddh i.e Self - relaization .




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General topics / Re: Ganesha, Remover Of Obstacles
« on: September 19, 2012, 07:00:23 PM »
Hope Everyone would have celebrated Vinyaka Chaturti well today .
Lord Ganesha is the most accepted of all Gods . We cen see him in Shiva Temples , in Vaishnava Temples , Devi Temples , in Rich Man's house , in a poor man's house , under a tree . Rich people , poor people , children , Business man , Scholars etc every one worship Vinayaka .
Not much rules and regulations are there for his worship and even children can worship him . Yet Vinayaka represents the highest Truth .
Om Gam Ganapathaye Namah .

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General Discussion / Re: pronuniciaton of gayathri mantra
« on: September 18, 2012, 11:28:20 PM »
I found this good piece of advice on Chanting Gayathri Mantra from the site :http://www.kanchiforum.org
So better use this site that has a comprehensive coverage of Gayathri Mantra
Chanting gAyatrI

1. The gAyatrI should be chanted as five parts, with four passes, thus:
AUM | bhUr bhuva suvaH | tat savitur vareNyam | bhargo devasya dhImahi | dhiyo yo naH prachodayAt AUM ||

2. Specific care should be taken to follow the svara marks in the Sanskrit version of the mantra. Here is an image of the mantra with the svara notations:
www.mediafire.com ...
Here is an audio version of the mantra chanted with svaras :
www.mediafire.com ...

Note : I was able to get the Mantra downloaded from the above link but the image could not be opened .


3. When doing gAyatrI japam , the meaning of the mantra should be contemplated. The japam must be preceded by a saMkalpam and a count is always maintained, either using a japamAla or the knuckles of the right hand. The person in gAyatrI japam should sit erect and still and should not let the mind wander outside the scope of the mantra.

4. The gAyatrI proper should never be chanted in isolation in gAyatrI japam . It is ordained that the gAyatrI should be chanted with the praNavam and the vyAhRutis , and that the chanting should be done in nitya-karma --daily religious routine and in prAyashchittam --atonement.

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General topics / Re: What is purpose of chakras ?
« on: September 18, 2012, 01:14:17 PM »
Dear ivac_d.

It is not exactly Self Realization, but one yogi's ascent from lower chakra to the crown, the prana is said to break open
the crown and reach the Pure Space.  You can also call it Self Realization.

Arunachala Siva.

 

Subramaniam Sir

Kundalini raising no doubt gives a blissful experience but it is not Self realization . It is a mental /pranic effort and has nothing to do with Atma .
However most of people on the path of spirituality are attracted by Kundalini awakening and opening up of Chakras and while it is certainly blissful ,it is not self realization . I have myself done these things as a student of Yoga Marga  and have tasted some of the benefits of the same  but given it up now and also  ask people not to follow it and just confine themselves to doing asanas and basic pranayama to maintain health of the body and keep a calm mind .

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: September 18, 2012, 12:40:24 PM »
Dear Nagaraj,

Patience is quite important. While JK said: Effortless and Choicless Awarenss, Sri Bhagavan said that to attain that
Awareness, one has to have a lot of patience and perseverance. Sri Bhagavan's case, it took only 15 minutes, but His
case was special. For all others, one need to put in a lot of efforts.   Upansidads speak of disciples grazing cows for 32 years
and this was three times, and then Atma Upadesam came to be understood and revealed.


Arunachala Siva.

True patience is important and we are impatient because we want a quick fix solution to all our problems .
Laxmana Swamy has mentioned in his book "No Mind I am Self" that many people used to come to him asking if they stay with him for 3 years will they get Moksha for which Laxmana Swamy used to smilingly reply that he is not conducting a degree course in Moksha where people will get a Certificate saying they have attained moksha after 3 years stay with him .

Many people used to ask Bhagwan Ramana that whether he has the capacity to give spiritual power to them the same way Sri Ramakrishna Paramahmsa gave the spiritual power to Vivekananda and Bhagwan's reply was simple : are u first Vivekananda ?

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General topics / Re: Brahma Sutra Bhashya
« on: September 17, 2012, 10:54:54 PM »
Brahma Sutram talk in Tamil by Swami Guruparananda
Vyasacharya wrote the Brahma Sutras to clarify various possible doubts that could arise while studying the Upanishad mantras.

In these 33 classes, the first four sutras are explained.
http://www.poornalayam.org/classes-recorded/brahma-sutram

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General topics / Re: Brahma Sutra Bhashya
« on: September 17, 2012, 08:47:57 PM »
Kindly go through the following link for a basic primer on Brahma Sutra by Swami Krishnananda
An Analysis of the Brahma Sutra

by Swami Krishnananda

http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/brahma_00.html

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Kskat27

Kindly note that I have already mentioned that I am not against the Gurus mentioned in this article .
Here is what I said :
Note : I am not against many of the New Age Gurus or their programs mentioned in this article but want people to take what is essential and useful for them and handle their life which is in front of them instead of living in the myth that everything is rosy after attending few programs or courses offered by these new age Gurus .

There is a larger social issue post liberalization and that is the reason why these New Age Gurus keep mushrooming and many Urban youth are not aware of that and hence kindly reflect on this last para .This is the whole issue :

Unless they realize that the real reason for their miseries is the capitalist fueled economies and that these gurus are actually encouraged and supported by the very same biggies who exploit them, there will be no reprieve from this syndrome. Today, it is Nithyananda. Tomorrow, it’ll be someone else.

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General topics / Re: Karma and jnAna-KAnchi mahAswami
« on: September 16, 2012, 02:37:48 PM »
Dear Krishnan,

Yes. The karma marga in Vedic sense is referring only to rituals like yagna and homa.  The modern day social service is not
karma marga. 
Kindly go through the article of Arthur Osborne being posted by me in parts in David's blog. It appeared originally
in Mountain Path, Jan 1965.

Arunachala Siva.

Traditional Karma refers to Pancha Maha Yajna of which Social Service has also been built in :
1) Deva Yajna - Worship to God and Devas
2) Rishi Yajna - Worship to Rishis
3) Pitru Yajna - Worship to Pitrus
4) Manushya Yajna - Service to other human beings - this is what is modern social service done my many people and Organizations
5) Bhuta Yajna - taking care of animals , birds - this is again a modern social service done by many people and Organizations

For a balanced life , all the above 5 needs to be done . It is difficult in Modern times but we must find ways to integrate all these 5 as best in our lives .

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The Swami Syndrome

The following article came after Nityananda was exposed on TV .But the message is important and warning for many people especially Urban Middle Class youth you get trapped in the programs and activities of many New Age Gurus .Note : I am not against many of the New Age Gurus or their programs mentioned in this article but want people to take what is essential and useful for them and handle their life which is in front of them instead of living in the myth that everything is rosy after attending few programs or courses offered by these new age Gurus .
http://theanarchyfix.wordpress.com/


Another day. Another Swami. Over the last few days, all television channels have been abuzz with news of the Nithyananda scandal, a sting operation which has captured the swami in a compromising position with a popular actress. As expected, this has incensed the general public who have damaged his ashrams and burnt his effigies. A swami getting exposed is not a new occurrence. In spite of this, why do people fall prey to these fraudsters time and again? To understand this, one needs to take an in depth look into this complex relationship.

A country like India has never been in dearth of religious gurus. From the usual street corner tantrik or fakir to high profile gurus such as Sai Baba, Amrita, DGS Dinakaran etc, the gurus are many. In fact, the gurus would probably outnumber the different gods of all religions put together. Traditionally, their roles were mostly restricted to performing gimmicks such as vomiting lingams and necklaces, giving out oracles (arul vaaku) and spewing out some Sanskrit mumbo jumbo which no one can make any sense of. People like DGS Dinakaran made their riches by organizing miracle gatherings where ‘acts of god’ were performed. This included things like people suffering from incurable diseases being cured instantly, the physically challenged being able to walk etc. In addition to making millions out of people’s misery, these people often wielded powerful political clouts which gave them elite status. Most often, the people who were followers of these gurus were poles apart. They were either the super rich or the very poor. But this trend took a change during the mid 90s. With the advent of globalisation, not only did the society in general begin to evolve, so did the gurus. With a burgeoning middle class, the swamis adopted new techniques to tap this new market.

Though globalisation has been a bane for many, it has also been a boon for some.
With more and more multinationals setting shop in various metros, the young and educated middle class benefited the most from the job opportunities created by these new ventures. Though their new careers helped them procure the material comforts which they have always dreamt of, the stressful work life left them burnt out with little time or energy to enjoy those riches. Instead of introspecting into the reasons and system which has led to such a situation, more of these ‘educated and knowledgeable’ people went in search of gurus who will be able to rid them of all these worries. The gurus capitalised on this need and came up with different fancy ideas to make money. Programs such as ‘The Art of Living’ by Ravishankar, ‘LifeBliss Foundation’ by Nithyananda, “Transcendental Meditation movement” by Mahesh Yogi claim to show us how to lead a better life through Yoga and meditation.

A closer look at all these programs and discourses will show all that these gurus preach are basic facts of life known by everyone. But each one claims that their program is the only means by which one can achieve happiness and peace. And these programs do not come cheap. They are specifically designed for the corporate world and cost thousands of dollars. Naturally, the participants feel rejuvenated at the end of the program. If someone is housed in a serene environment with all facilities for a few days and does nothing but relax and enjoy clean and fresh air, they are bound to feel good. There is nothing spiritual or magical about it. But this temporary escape will vanish when reality returns. When these gurus get exposed, it obviously aggravates the followers because all these days they were being fed with crap that ‘worldly pleasures’ are bad and one needs to rid themselves of such ‘pleasures’ in order to achieve ‘true happiness’. When they see the same guy who said such things indulging in those ‘pleasures’, they feel cheated. Their misery is analogous to that of people who lose money by investing heavily in chit funds. They are not angry that they have been foolish enough to let themselves be cheated by someone who only told them those things that they wanted to hear; they are just angry that they didn’t choose the ‘right’ guru.

Even when these swamis get defamed, no doubt some people will still continue to stand by them. Others will continue their quest to find a ‘more effective’ guru. Its almost as if they need one guru or the other to tell them how to lead their lives. Unless they realize that the real reason for their miseries is the capitalist fueled economies and that these gurus are actually encouraged and supported by the very same biggies who exploit them, there will be no reprieve from this syndrome. Today, it is Nithyananda. Tomorrow, it’ll be someone else.

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General topics / Re: a practical advise need from all
« on: September 16, 2012, 01:33:41 PM »
Atmavichar(Krishna),
Wonderful post that every earnest seeker should take note of.I fully concur with your recommendation.I have not gone through the post that initiated this or the subsequent posts,yet I can figure out what your post addresses.

Yogi ShuddhAnanda Bharati used to advise:பசித்திரு,விழித்திரு,தனித்திரு!(Stay Hungry,Stay awake,Stay Alone!)

Namaskar.

Ravi

It was Saint Ramalinga Swamigal ( Vallalar ) who used that terminology first  i.e பசித்திரு,விழித்திரு,தனித்திரு.

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General topics / Re: a practical advise need from all
« on: September 16, 2012, 11:20:27 AM »
Dear Kskat

This is an old post that I recently came across and I do not know whether it is still relevant for you .Anway let me share my basic inputs :

1) No one can tell you exactly what you must do as each one will give an advice based on their own personal situation and condition and it may not practically apply to you .
2) Most of the great sages gave generic answers and that is also of not much help as you have found out yourself .
So what to do ?
Understand simply the fact that you have to wage a lone battle in this and this is the way all sadhaks have done it .I have never found one spiritual aspirant who had it easy i.e getting a good name / good understanding from anyone , more so from the family . Why even Bhagwan Ramana had a fight with his brother before leaving his house for Arunacahala .

But we are not Bhagawan Ramana as we still keeping asking other's opinion for what to do .
No doubt we can take Bhagwan Ramana for inspiration but let us be clear that we need to handle the life in front of us  till we  reach a spiritual maturity where u understand that everything works by the grace of God and no point in fighting with anything .
So the path of Surrender is ruled out for you currently and hence u need to focus on the path of effort .
Now what sort of effort do I mean ?
You need to put it those efforts that help u not only immediately but also help you help you in your future .
The only thing that comes to my mind is the Sadhana for you will be "Sandhya Vandana with Gayatri Japa" done with nishkama bhava .I am suggesting this as you are a Brahmin .
Many people do not feel Sandhya Vandam is a sadhana , it is a very high sadhana that also paves way for self enquiry later and also blesses the person with a sharp intellect and lot of spiritual power that he is able to do the day to day easily as well as handle his spiritual tasks as well as his family affairs .I myself understood the benefits of Sandhya Vandanam and Gayathri Japa only later and hence sharing the same here .
If you care a damn for others and want to lead life by your own dictates then follow the path of Bhagwan seriously and take in whatever comes as a prasad .
If you want to go adjusting with others bit by bit then follow the path of Karma Marga as given by our Vedas and Dharma Shastras so that it leads you to Jnana Marga later on its own accord .
So final choice is urs .This is just a pointer from me and please do not take this as a final advice .
By the way your problem is not just unqiue to you and I find many young people  who got interested in spirituality facing this same problem i.e unable to balance work , home , sadhana .
There are no easy answers here .
All the best in your life and sadhana .
Om Peace .

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