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General Discussion / Re: UG Krishnamurthy?
« on: October 12, 2012, 12:28:18 PM »

The following explains UG's meeting with Sringeri Acharya Sri Abhivana Vidyateertha at Sringeri .

Meeting With the Shankaracharya of Sringeri
That year in Madras, U.G. ran into his boyhood friend, Mr. Tummalapalli Ramalingeswara Rao. Mr. Tummalapalli was a great scholar in the Sanskrit, Telugu and English languages. He was also an adept in Mantras. U.G. at that time was looking for a more suitable place in India, a place with a more temperate climate than Madras. When he heard of U.G.'s interests, Mr. Tummalapalli suggested Sringeri as the proper place. "I am well acquainted with the Jagadguru (lit. "World Teach"—title of Sri Sankarachary) of Sringeri Pitha, Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha Swami. Things will work out well for you there," he assured U.G. and Valentine and led them to Sringeri.

U.G. liked the environs of Sringeri very much and also the peaceful climate of the banks of the River Tunga. He wanted to rent or buy a place and live there. Mr. Ramalingeswara Rao introduced U.G. to the Swami of Sringeri. When he heard of the Calamity that had happened to U.G., he said, "I must talk to you in private," and led U.G. into his private chambers which were located in a garden called Narasimhavana on the far side of the river Tunga. It is noteworthy that he allowed Valentine also into that room. The Swami sat on the Teacher's Seat (Guru Pitha), and U.G. and Valentine sat in front of him.

"When I heard of the extraordinary things that happened to you, I am reminded of my guru Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati," the Jagadguru started talking. "I don't know of these things in my own personal experience. But my teacher used to describe his experiences just the way they have occurred in your case. We were afraid that perhaps his mind was deranged. It is very rare that the body survives the shock of such a thoughtless state. According to the scriptures, within twenty-one days after such an event the body dies. If the body could sustain its vital force and not die off, it must surely be for the sake of saving humanity. There is no doubt about it."

U.G., on the contrary, had no inclination to save the world or uplift humanity. He listened silently as the teacher spoke. Then he presented to the Jagadguru his proposal for establishing his residence near Sringeri in a solitary place away from people. In reply, the Jagadguru said, "I will be responsible for getting you any place around here, if you so wish. But your idea of living alone will never work. Whether you stay in a jungle or in a mountain cave, people won't stop coming to see you." The teacher's warning made U.G. abandon his resolve to stay away from people.

At that time, Dr. K. B. Ramakrishna Rao used to be the principal of the JCBM College in Sringeri. The Jagadguru invited him to visit and introduced him to U.G.

General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 07:47:03 PM »
Dear Atmavichar,
           Thank you for that explanaton. I was really unaware of it. Actually I was planning to get this clarified by someone.
This clears the doubt.

But even in case of type1 , what is the difference it makes when we know the meaning and when we do not know the meaning ?
The analogy given by Acharyas is you go to a Doctor for some illness , the Doctor prescribes u some medication . You take it having faith in the Doctor . The Medicines works in your system whether you know the composition of the medicines or not .It is not possible for all the patients to know the meaning or composition of those medicines unless they themselves are Doctors or Chemist . If you wait for the day that you will take the medicines only when you know the meaning for the same then you will only be a looser . These days many Doctors complain  that the big problem with some of the current patients is they do their own R&D in google on the  medicines and argue with them with their half baked Google knowledge   :) and first they come as patients  humbly to receive medicines and then in the next visit  they advise the Doctors themselves as to the what they read about the medicines in the net  :)
That is why Swami Paramarthananda and other Acharyas like Kanchi Paramacharya say that when it comes to Veda Purva Mantras just follow what the Vedic Priest tells you do without arguing with your half baked google knowledge  :) In fact people like Kanchi Pramacharya have gone to the extent of saying that it is better not to know the meaning of the Veda Purva Mantras as you will chant the Mantras with more faith rather than a person with half baked google knowledge  :)
If you still want to know the meanings , there are scholars who have studied Bashyam in Vedas i.e detailed explanation of the Mantras , their significance , potency etc and visit them and learn from them .In Chennai , if you visit Sanskrit College you will get to see such Scholars .

But when it comes to Vedanta , the Acharyas are clear that you need to understand the meaning of the mantras as unfolded by the Guru and mechanical repetition of  Vedantic Statements will not help you .

One more thing .
This again I got it from Swami Paramarthananda - Not all things in Veda Purva are subject to Scientific Analysis as Vedas are beyond Science .For eg you will have to accept a thing called "Pitru loka" when you do "Sraddham /Tarpanam" for your departed ancestors ,and  if you say unless you prove to me that a Pitru loka exits via Telescope or satellite pictures I will not believe it    :) then nothing can be done for such a person . You just have to accept the Veda Purva Portion as it is .
Only when you come to Vedanta you adopt the rigorous Intellectual standards for logical reasoning .
BTW I am not an expert on these things and that is why when it comes to Veda Purva things like Dharma Sastras etc I consult my Family  Vedic Priest and in fact I am on a Project recording some of the important aspects related to our Daily Vedic Rituals etc through my family priest and there is a Vedic Scholar , called Sarma Sastrigal who has written an excellent book on The Great Hindu Tradition and for more details about the book and about him you can refer the following link :
His email and other contact details are given there .
Only 2 days back I spoke to him and have Ordered that book to know more about these things .Apart from that I refer the 7 Volumes of Kanchi Paramacharya "Voice of God " as well as the various books published by Sringeri Sarada Peetam on the talks of Sringeri Acharyas for details about our Traditional practices , Mantras , Dharma Sastras etc

General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 06:51:14 PM »
However i have seen even traditional teachers suggest that simple chantign without knowign the meaning is also useful. I am not sure how that works and whether or not it works :).

According to Swami Paramarthananda ( this is from a talk of his ) - in Vedas there are 2 types of Mantras - Type -1 where Shabda Pramana ( i.e Vibratory Power ) is important and Type-2  where Artha Pramana ( i.e Meaning ) is important .
In Veda Purva i.e the Ritualistic Portion Type -1 Mantras are used and in Vedanta i.e the Knowledge portion Type-2 Mantras are used .

But it is not as though for Type -1 Mantras there is no meaning . It does have a meaning but for Common Man it is enough he learns to chant it properly with the right pronunciation after learning it from a proper Guru . Eg Sri Rudram - many people chant it and but people say never chant it without getting the right training from a proper Vedic Teacher as wrong Chanting is dangerous and many people have had negative effects of wrong chanting of Veda Mantras even with good intention . But Sri Rudram is also called as Rudro Upanishat and Swami Daynanda has given a detailed commentary on the same .
Aurobinda has written books on the secret of Rig Veda Mantras .
So in essence : Remember which Mantra Type it comes in i.e Type-1 , Type-2 and follow accordingly .

Subramaniam Sir

Happy that you started this thread 3 years back .I have recently started my formal study of Bhagwan Ramana's works starting with Arunachala Stuti Panchakam and using Kanakammal's English Translation of the same .I got it during my last visit to Ramana Ashram in Dec 2009 .I also have her Tamil Version of the same and just now Downloaded Michael James free ebook on the same which is a word by word translation in English based on Sadhu Om's Translation in Tamil .
Both these works will be very useful for me as my knowledge of Classical Tamil is not enough to understand the meaning directly from the Original Tamil Works / Translations .

Dear KSKAT27

Osho made a lot of positive impact in me and I had lot of my doubts cleared after reading his books , listening to his speeches . I have never visited Osho Commune in Pune nor intend to visit in future .For me reading his books helped me come out of some of the mental rut that I got trapped in and it was very much refreshing once I got out of those mental rut and I credit Osho's books and talks for the same .The same with JK . Both of these people have made an enormous impact on me and I consider this as one of the greatest blessings in my life .
But one thing : We must be very careful in how we take Osho/JK teachings and one can go travel in the wrong path if one does not understand their teachings properly .
People can talk about their lifestyle etc and as far as I am concerned I will take any teaching from anyone provided it helps me develop clarity . The teachings are more important than the teacher . This is my take .
Since this is a forum dedicated to Bhagwan Ramana ,I do not want to share more about Osho/JK here and in fact I am compiling in my own Journal the major important Pointers or Insights that I found valuable from  these 2 people that affected me positively and made a great shift in my life .I will share that later in my own personal blog later .
So in a nutshell for me : I was highly benefited by reading the Books of Osho and by listening to his talks and Videos and will continue to do so .Do I consider them as my Gurus .No ,but I consider them as people who helped me look at life more deeply and develop more clarity and always thank almighty for bringing those teachings to my life

It was Kanchi Maha  Periva who directed Paul Brunton to Bhagwan Ramana Maharashi as a person who was a living proof of the higher Yoga i.e Maha Yoga and then the rest is History . Many people say that Paul Brunton brought our Bhagwan Ramana to the outside world through his book "A search in secret India ".It is true, but the root cause of the same was Kanchi Maha Periva .

Now how did Kanchi Maha Periva knew about this without even meeting Bhagwan Ramana to certify him as the living proof of Higher Yoga  ? I do not have an answer for this .Might be that is why  he is called as Maha Periva .

A good example here is the temple town of Tiruvannamalai in TN where there are at least 4 beef shops just a stone throw from the ancient Shiva temple.

Not to forget the several liquor shops lining the Girivaaml route near the market and some even name themselves as Annamalai wines or Arunachala Wines .

In North India many religious places are declared meat and liquor free zones .
I like Rishikesh because it is a meat and liquor free zone and both meat and liquors have been banned there  in Rishikesh and Haridwar . Same in Amritsar the area around the Golden Temple is banned from having any meat /liquor shops .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 09, 2012, 07:16:38 AM »
One who cultivates solitude, eats lightly, and has controlled his speech, body and mind, and is ever intent on serving his Guru, becomes fit for Self-realisation.- Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal.

The Srimad Bhagavata / Re: Eknath's Bhagavatha
« on: October 08, 2012, 10:37:48 PM »
Some intersting piece of information about Eknath from wikipedia

Sant Eknath (1533–1599) was a prominent Marathi Saint, scholar and religious poet. In the development of Marathi literature, Sant Eknath is seen as a bridge between the towering predecessors Dnyaneshwar and Naamdev and the equally noble successors Tukaram and Ramdas.

Eknath was born sometime around 1530 AD in an illustrious Brahmin family of Pratisthan (Paithan today).

Almost all of Eknath's writings were in verse form in Marathi. Eknath wrote a scholarly and lucid commentary, Eknathi Bhagawat, on the Eleventh Canto of the Sanscrit sacred text, the Bhagavata Purana.

Eknath’s teachings may be summarized as "Vichar, Uchchar and Achar" i.e., purity in thought, speech and action. His works, verses and preachings kindled hope among the people at a time when they needed it most.Keeping aside Sanskrit" as the medium he adopted to write and speak in simple Marathi. His teachings were in form of "Pravachan" and "Keertan" in simple Marathi language that attracted the masses. His son Haripant did not like the change , however Eknath did not give up his mission to teach the common man about the purity in life at the down most levels.

Eknath embraced "jalsamadhi" (water samadhi) in the sacred Godavari on Krishna Shasthi day of Phalguna in the year 1599AD.

The Srimad Bhagavata / Re: Eknath's Bhagavatha
« on: October 08, 2012, 10:31:23 PM »

This is from an article on Eknath by Swami Sivananda

Ekanath wrote the Bhagavat, which holds the same place of respect in Maharashtra as Tulsidas’ Ramayan holds in Northern India. It is popularly known as Ekanath Bhagavatam and is found in every house in Maharashtra

General Discussion / Re: How many days makes one mandalam?
« on: October 08, 2012, 12:24:01 PM »
One Mandalam is 48 Days, it is said when somebody doing some particular Sadhana, one has to do it without fail for 48 days, one mandalam, only then will the Sadhana get the fruits of what tapas he performs.

There are several scientific reasons for these calculations, i will get back to you once i gather more information.

Thanks Sri Nagaraj for this info . There was some confusion whether it is 40 or 48 as some people said that Iyyappa devotees maintain 40 days vratham . As I said for me it does not matter chanting for a few more days but  I want to know exactly when I complete 1 Mandalam so that on the day of conclusion I can do a better Puja and offer better Naivedyam and conclude it in a more enriching manner .

General Discussion / How many days makes one mandalam?
« on: October 08, 2012, 12:13:43 PM »
I want to get clarified How Many days make one Mandalam . When do some stotra chanting ( like Vshnu Sahasranama etc ) for 1 Mandalam then does it mean we chant it for 40 days or 42 or 45 or 48 days ?
Some say it is 40 but others give different nos . I know it does not matter much if we chant for few more days the names of God but just for technical purpose I want to know  whether it is 40 days or more than 40 days so that when I finish exactly 1 Mandalam of Parayanam of any stotra then I can make some special dish as Prasadam and do a special Pooja for almighty after I complete 1 Mandalam and restart the next Parayana .
So hoping for inputs from members here .
Om Peace .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 07, 2012, 08:53:52 PM »
Fools argue endlessly; skeptics doubt and criticize endlessly; a wise seeker abides by the instructions imparted by a realised Guru and gets liberated at the earliest. - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

Guruji Raghavan says: Even if does not read all the songs, Kandar Anubhuti will alone give moksha.

Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for your prompt and detailed reply . The above quote of Guruji Raghavan has really inspired me .Actually I am right now sitting to chant Kandar Anubhuti after a long break and your quote was timely and has re-inspired me to chant this Divine work .We must thank our great Sages for compressing all their Divine works in one single hymn for normal people like us to derive the benefit of singing all their works .
I am extremely grateful to Saint Arunagiri Nathar for compressing the essence of all his works in Kandhar Anubhuti .
Thanks once again for reminding Guruji Raghavan's words regarding KAndhar Anubhuti .
My Prostrations to Saint Arunagiri Natha .
Om Peace .


Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for your timely inputs . You mention below :
. He mentions about Arunachala in all Tiruvannamalai songs
but not as prayer to the Hill but as a passing reference.

Does that mean Aruagiri Nathar could never see the importance of Arunachala Hill like other Saivite Saints saw in the Hill  ?

Also u mention below that Bhagwan recommended 2 songs for a devotee for her daughters early marriage .
Sri Bhagavan has mentioned one or two songs of Tirupugazh in His conversations. He recommended to one parents to make
her daughter sing NeelangoL megathin mayil meethil..... for her early marriage.
Does it mean that it is like a Mantra Sastra ?

Is Thirupuggazh ,a Bhakti Literature , An Advaitic one ,a Mantra Shastraor a Combination of all these ?

I have with me one book on Kandar Anubhuthi by N.V.Karthikeyan ,a disciple of Swami Sivananda and published by Divine Life Society Press , Rishikesh and he has given an Esoteric significance of this work . He says that if the entire works of Sanit Arunagiri Nathar are considered as Arunagiri Veda then Kandar Anubhuti would form the Anubhuti Upnaishad and the 51 verses of the Kandar Anubhuti are like 51 Upanishadic Mantras - so concise , so pithy and so brevity filled ,with many secret cluses to higher meditation and experience .

BTW Today i.e Sat 6 October 2012 being Shasti Tithi ,I am happy to have opened this topic on Kandar Anubhti / Saint ArunaGiri Nathar . Pranams to Lord Subramanya . Pranams to Bhagwan Ramana who was Lord Subramanya in Human form .