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Dear Subramaniam Sir

Is there any information about Satyamangalam Sri Venkataramana Iyer .I could not find any info about him in Ramanashram publications /David Godman books .
Ramana Stuti Panchakam is what I found the easiest to chant among all the Tamil Parayana and I do it whenever I have time .
Would be glad if you have any info about its author and what sort of interaction he had with Bhagwan Ramana prior to writing these hymns .
Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: How many here do or dont do sandhya vandhanam
« on: August 21, 2012, 11:31:29 AM »
Dear Atma Vichar,

I dont do anything. Is sandhya vandanam means just doing namaskaar to the sun god after bath in early hours?
I dont even know what is gayatri mantram, why we have to do and how many times?

I've just recently started doing self enquiry, thats it!


Dear Vinod

I am not competent to prescribe to others what should be done / not done and I can only share some pointers .
Sandhya Vandanam  and Gayathri Japa is a daily ritual invoking of  Water Oblation ( Karma Yoga )+ Prayer ( Bhakti Yoga  ) + Japa of Gayathri ( Jnana Yoga ) to the Sun God ( at the beginner level you invoke the physical sun and once you mature you invoke the inner sun i.e Atman ) .
It is a perfect combination of Karma , Bhakti and Jnana  Yogas.
Actually 3 varnas were supposed to do and it got declined to only Brahmins doing the same and the tragedy today is that even the Brahmins have stopped doing the same . If you want to know why Brahmins need to do then you must read Kanchi Paramacharaya's Deivathin Kural .
I am a Brahmin and though I have been involved in my Yogic Sadhana ,have not done my Sandhya Vandanam properly and I feel it is high time I start putting it as part of my regular schedule .
If you are not a Brahmin do not worry about not doing Sandhya Vandanam .
But the Hymn Aditya Hridyam is an excellent Hymn that is invoking the sun God and anyone can chant it and our Puranas talk about Lord Rama being dejected in his war against Ravana as he was unable to defeat him and Sage Agastya initiated him with the Aditya Hridayam Mantra ( it is a long hymn ) and after chanting it ,  Lord Rama got the strength to fight Ravana and defeat him .
My take on the whole issue ( this is only my interpretation ) is Ravana represents the Tamasic qualities in us and at times we feel lazy and tired and lack motivation and so Chanting this Aditya Hridyam will awaken the energy in us and make us dynamic to face life with confidence .

So in conclusion :
If you are happy doing your current sadhana of Atma Vichar or Self Enquiry  by all means continue with it .But if you are interested in getting the Grace of Sun God then kindly chant Aditya Hridayam .If you have difficulty in following Sanskrit then learn Thirupalli ezuchi of Saint Manickavachagar which is actually chanted in the Mornings at all Temples .This is the best way to start the day i.e Chanting Aditya Hridayam( Sanskrit ) or Tirupalli Ezuchi ( Tamil ) ,if you have time chant Both .
But do not worry if u are unable to do anything . If you have faith in Bhagawan Ramana or Arunachala chant the Mantra : Om Namo Bhagavate Sri  Ramanaya , Om Arunachaleshwaraya Namaha , 108 times when you get up in morning and also in evening .
Note : These are just pointers from me , do what pleases you but do it with sincerity , faith and devotion and God will guide you accordingly .

Welcome Subramaniam Sir

I just want to add the point that there is also Swamiji's Talk on Thayumanvar's Ananda Kalipu in the section "6.Vedantic Texts" and it has 18 talks of 1 hr duration in Tamil on Ananda Kalippu + it has a free PDF download of the text of the Anand Kalippu .
and in "7.General Talks" there is a 1hr talk on  "Thayumanavar Prayer "(Thayumanavar has composed a number of Tamil verses praising the Lord and describing the nature of the Lord. This talk explains one such prayer.).
This is just to inform those who are interested in Thayumanavar Songs .
Om Peace .

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General Discussion / Re: How many here do or dont do sandhya vandhanam
« on: August 20, 2012, 06:37:56 PM »
Dear atmavichar,

This month being Tamizh Sravana (Avani Avittam), one can chant at least on Sundays, 108 Gayatri and read Aditya
Hridyam.  Sravana is the month, when the Sun is in the zodiac of Leo which is his own house. Hence he is powerful
to confer benefits.  Aditya Hridayam and Gayatri japa is good to propitiate him.

Sure Subramanyam Sir

There is absolutely no excuse for not chanting Gayathri 108 or more times on Sundays or Holidays or when we are free .According to all Acharya's doing Sandhya Vandanam /Gayathri is not just for the individual but for the welfare of the entire society and hence they ask us to take it seriously as a great service that one is doing for the welfare of the society .
I am happy that this forum is discussing this important topic .

General Discussion / Re: How many here do or dont do sandhya vandhanam
« on: August 20, 2012, 06:04:23 PM »
I am also working my way to do twice regular sandhyavandanam properly but since I have already invested my time in my Yoga Sadhana ,need to do some adjustment in the same .But I have read enough to understand the fact that Sandhya Vandanam is the best sadhana for any householder /brahmachari if it is understood and done with full seriousness as it is a combination of Karma , Bhakthi and Jnana .
The alternative for me for Sandhya Vanadanam is Chanting Aditya Hridyam , Gayathri Japa 54 times .

General topics / Re: What I learned in my spiritual quest so far
« on: August 20, 2012, 04:58:13 PM »
In this case,  the sadhaka is following Swami Sivananda's teachings.  And here is Osho who has spoken badly about many Gurus including Swami Sivananda his holiness.

Hence all I wanted to know is how the yoga marga teacher and sadhak is able to re-concile the two

Dear kskat27

Kindly re-read my Lesson-1 : It talks about the apparent contradictions in life and we must learn to live with it without loosing our focus on our primary sadhana and without sacrificing our integrity .
Bhagawan's Maha Mantra - "Mind your business and attend to what you came here for " - to people  who keep questioning him and the ways by which the ashram was being run is the guiding principle for me in this .
Of course as I said , this is my way of approach and it may not be true for others and I have no complaints against the same .

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Bhagawan and Thiruvachagam
« on: August 20, 2012, 04:37:00 PM »
Dear atmavichar100,

You can try to get the copies of Mountain Path either from the Asramam or download these specific articles from the
Asramam's official website, where old issues of Mountain Path have been given with downloading

Saint Manikkavachagar composed only Tiruvembavai and Tiru Ammanai in Tiruvannamalai. The decad Tirup paLLi Ezhucchi
was composed in Tiruperundurai, which is nowadays called Avudaiyar Kovil

Arunachala Siva.
Subramaniam Sir
Thanks again for the clarification . Ayudaiyar Koil is a place I am yet to visit . Have you visited it ? I guess it is close to Pudukottai and the main God there is in a formless state ?
I am a subscriber to Mountain Path and will check whether those Old issues are with me , otherwise will download from the Ashram Website .
Thanks also for the Thayumanavar poems selected by Bhagawan .

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Bhagawan and Thiruvachagam
« on: August 20, 2012, 04:21:09 PM »
Dear Subramaniam Sir

Many thanks for taking effort  to write these posts . I will check out the Mountain Path Old Versions for the same if I have .
I now remember Bhagavan's advice to Devaraja Mudaliar on just doing parayana of Siva Puranam . Thanks for quoting the same here . In fact in Thiruvachagam I only know Sivapuranam by heart .I will next try to get by heart Thirupalli ezuchi and Thiruvenpavai as I guess they were sung by Manickavachagar during his visit to Thiruvanamalai .
Do keep sharing whatever you have about Bhagawan's comments on Thiruvachagam .
Once again thanks for taking effort to write these detailed posts .
Om Peace .

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Re: Bhagawan and Thiruvachagam
« on: August 20, 2012, 12:08:14 PM »
Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for ur quick reply with the inputs of Bhagawan on Thiruvachagam .All poems of Thiruvachagam are precious but I would like to start learning first what Bhagwan pointed out before learning the rest .
Would be happy if u can point out the details of the original article in Mountain path .

General topics / Re: What I learned in my spiritual quest so far
« on: August 20, 2012, 12:05:22 PM »
But only a few live as they teach. The one who cannot apply his own teaching, in his own life, cannot attempt to teach others.

Dear Subramaniam sir

I understand what you are trying to convey . As I said , my primary interest is in my own Sadhana and how far I am true to it . All the teachings of any great Masters are just pointers for reference, clarity  for me and beyond that I do not dwell on them or the masters much . There was a time when I got too much interest  in to  to the personal lives of Religious people and later after reading Bhagwan's teachings ( from the book "Living by the Words of Bhagawan ")  I stopped doing that . And what did Bhagwan say to people who started judging him and the way his ashram was being run "Mind your business and attend to what you came here for " .I thing the same applies to almost everything in life .
I am interested in my own spiritual clarity and not in the private lives of other people much . This is what my Lesson -1 I learnt in life ie the Contradictions and one must learn to live with it .

Tripura Rahasya and other ancient works / Bhagawan and Thiruvachagam
« on: August 20, 2012, 11:52:33 AM »
Dear Friends

I read in one book of David Godman ( Power of Presence ,I suppose ) , that Bhagwan asked all of his devotees at Skandaashram to recite the entire Thiruvachagam on the nite his mother attained nirvana and in fact he was also correcting people when they were pronouncing it wrongly .
Bhagawan's fondness of Thiruvachagam and Thevarams is well known .
Though Bhagwan is a person free of any personal likes and dislikes ,I am interested in knowing if any of you have any information regarding which poems of Thiruvachagam , Bhagawan asked people to recite most .
For me I have got the complete set of Audio of Thiruvachagam sung by Dharmapuram Swaminathan and only know Sivapuranam by heart and interested in learning other poems also .But would be happy if Bhagawan selected any particular poems in Thiruvachagam for Parayana .
By  the way for those in Chennai on Sun 2 September 2012 there is a complete parayana of entire Thiruvachagam from 9 a.m - 5 p.m under Swami Omkarananda (and other great Tamil Scholars ) who is observing Chaturmasya Vrata at Anantha Padmanabhaswamy Temple ,Gandhi Nagar , Adyar ,Chennai - 600020
and the Venue is Kanchi Mahaswamy Mantapam ,adjacent to the Temple

This is just for people interested in participating in the same . In fact my interest in Thiruvachagam got re-kindled after seeing that notice and wanted to share with others here .
Om Peace .

General topics / Re: What I learned in my spiritual quest so far
« on: August 20, 2012, 11:39:11 AM »
Dear Kskat27

I am aware of Osho's  comments about Swami Sivananda . I gave the example of Ganges river and how 2 people situated at various parts of Ganges will have 2 different opinions about the same river .So is the case with any great men - no 2 people will have the same opinion about a great man .
I am not concerned about what Osho said about Swami Sivananda or any other great Saint .He has a right to his opinion but I focus on not much on the teacher but how far those teachings are applicable and valuable for me .
I found the teachings of Swami Sivananda quite simple and easy to start my spiritual journey and I derived lot of benefits following the same . At the same time I also derived lot of clarity through the talks of Osho and it does not mean I need to follow blindly everything he says .
I have lots of doubts and if any teacher helps me clarify the same ,I welcome that teaching .It can be Swami Sivananda , Osho , JK, Bhagwan Ramana , Kanchi Paramacharya ,sringeri Shankaracharya's , Buddha , Ramakrishna etc etc .I focus on the teachings and  see how far it helps me get clarity .If it does I welcome it and if it does not ,I reject it and move ahead .

General topics / What I learned in my spiritual quest so far
« on: August 19, 2012, 04:26:09 PM »
The last 15 years or so has been quite a fairly serious spiritual journey for me in the line of Yoga ( which continues to be my main Sadhana ) but at the same time I have been exposed to the teachings of other teachers , Gurus , Schools of thought like Classical Advaita , Bhagawan Ramana's teachings , Teachings of Osho , J.Krishnamurti , etc .
I still read traditional Vedic teachings of Kanchi Paramacharya , Sringeri Acharyas etc etc .
Kindly refer to my Introduction where I have given a bigger detail about myself .
In this column ,I want to share my spiritual experiences or insights in the form of certain statements as lessons learnt by me .
Note : These lessons are my own lessons and they may not be applicable to others and need not be taken as gospel truths . These lessons can be taken either as general life lessons or spiritual lessons and some of it , I experienced myself , some I learned it from others experience and some I learned it by studying  .If you find it useful take it , if not leave it .

Lesson 1 :

Life is too vast to accommodate all sort of contradictions .In Other words life is neither fully black or white and there is lot of shades of grey between them .So learn to live with these contradictions and adapt , adjust ,  accommodate to these contradictions without sacrificing your integrity .
In spiritual quest I  found this to be highly applicable as people come with lot of preconceived notions about how Ashrams should be , how Gurus and teachers must behave , how followers of Gurus must be etc etc and get disappointed .
Also some people go to extreme in following a particular Guru or Particular School of thought and ridicule others and belong to the category of my way or high way .
Example : Ganges is a very long river and it is very pure at Gangotri and very dirty and polluted in Varanasi and so one person in Varnasi will say it is dirty while another in Gangotri will say it is very pure and the river being the same .
So who is right ? Both are right from their respective positions but wrong from the other positions .
The same with regard to everything in life .
Conclusion : Next time when you feel you are getting in to an argument with another person , step back a little and look at the Ganges example to see both of you can be right as well as wrong .

Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: Introducing Myself
« on: August 19, 2012, 03:55:25 PM »
Thanks Ravi for your warm welcome .
After Arunachala , these days Rishikesh is the only place I like to visit if at all I want to visit any place . Sitting by the Holy Ganges is a blissful experience .
I am aware of Swami Omkarananda's talks and Chaturmasya Vratha and did attend couple of his talks on Bhagawatham and got some of his audio talks and right now listening to Keno Upanishad .
Will share more later .
Om Peace .

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