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General Discussion / Re: Lalitha Sahasranama
« on: October 26, 2012, 03:22:30 PM »
Dear All

Thanks for all your inputs about Sri Lalitha Sahasranama stotram . I love chanting it a lot but I never do any puja for the same . I love sanskrit chanting ( as well as Tamil Chanting ) and consider Chanting itself to be a sort of Yoga Sadhana and I have got lot of benefits doing the same . At the same time I understood the need to respect certain sanctity with regard to our tradition and rules if not fully . Once I started learning Sri Rudram from an audio tape that was given along with Swami Dayananda's Commentary on Sri Rudram and started chanting the same and wanted to test how I chant and asked my family vedic priest to test it and he found lot of errors in the same as I learnt it by self learning method .He told me while my intention to chant Rudram is good , it is dangerous chanting Rudram with error and hence I dropped it and just listen to it on CD these days . I decided that henceforth I will not chant any Vedic Mantras ( except Gayathri , Sandhya Vandanam Mantras etc ) without proper training and started to focus only on Puranic Mantras /Stotras like Vishnu Sahasranama , Siva Sahasranama , Ganaga Sahasranama , Various ashtotras , Adi Shankara Stotras , Bhagawad Gita along with Bahagwan's Hyms in Tamil and certain hyms from Thiruvachagama  and Theveram etc  where rules are not strict and making simple errors in chanting is not dangerous   
Only problem was with Sri Lalitha Sahasranama as I was chanting it regularly until I was informed that it is not good to chant without initiation and luckily today I saw the quote of Sri Bharati Teerta  Mahaswamigal urging people to chant the same and I posed that quote in the forum after a long break . Today being Friday I took it as a sort of signal from Sringeri Acharya itself as a sign to chant the same but wanted to seek Other's opinions here in this forum also before doing so . I am right now reading Sri Kanchi Paramacharya's Voice of God Vol-7 pg 108-112which discusses about this .I have also asked a close friend of mine who is quite familiar with Shakti Upasana and as he is out of station ,he told he will give me a detailed reply later .
So I will share whatever inputs that I find from both these sources here . Others also share the same . I will go with Sringeri Acharya's advice to chant but since I did not learn from a Guru I will play the CD of Lalitha Sahasranama of Swami Paramarthananda and listen to it with rapt attention .
Thanks for the inputs from everyone .

Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: Lalitha Sahasranama
« on: October 26, 2012, 11:46:19 AM »
Sri Atmavichar,

You had mentioned about a family priest with whom you had dareshan of sringEri swAmigal, i feel, he would be a right person to get initiated from.

Thanks Nagaraj for your inputs about Lalitha Sahasranama , my family priest is a Vedic Scholar and a staunch Karma Kandin and does not entertain any activity apart from one's prescribed Nitya Karmas i.e Sandhya Vandana etc . He feels if you have more time then do more Gyathri Japa or learn Vedas . He is right in his own respects . This is what Kanchi Paramacharya also said .Anyway that is for a different discussion .
BTW according to my relative this initiation has to be done by a Shakthi Upasaka .

My aim of Chanting Lalitha Sahasranama is purely for Bhakti and also I consider it as a form of Yoga i.e proper chanting with right pronunciation leads to mental peace and stability plus I find it useful in my ongoing study of Sanskrit . I do not intend to do any Meru or Chakra Puja but just to chant it like I chant Vishnu Sahasranama . I was in a way happy seeing Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal quote uring people to chant Lalitha Sahasranama .

So let me qualify my question :

I know that  initiation is  needed for people who Chant Lalitha Sahasranama as part of a Chakra Puja / Meru Puja but for others to just simply chant it like Vishnu Sahasranama is initiation needed ?

General Discussion / Re: Lalitha Sahasranama
« on: October 26, 2012, 11:13:48 AM »
I have a doubt regarding Chanting Lalitha Sahasranama .
I did learn Lalitha Sahasranama on my own using a book and the audio Chanting of Swami Paramarthananda  and can recite it very well but then one day a far relative of mine  on a visit to our house said that Lalitha Sahasranama should not be chanted without proper initiation and her father who is himself a Vedic Scholar associated with Sringeri Mutt advised her not to chant Lalitha Sahasranama but only chant Soundarya Lahiri . She further said there is no problem in Chanting other Sahasranama like Vishnu Sahasranama , Shiva Sahasranama etc without initiation but when it comes to Lalitha Sahsranama one needs an initiation before chanting and today I saw this quote of Sringeri Achraya ,Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal urging people to chant Lalitha Sahasranama .
Can someone clarify what is the correct procedure ? i.e initiation needed or not needed for chanting this ?

General Discussion / Re: Lalitha Sahasranama
« on: October 26, 2012, 10:55:58 AM »
Lalita Sahasranamam enunciates the Vedantic truths and describes the Paradevata's saguna rupa; the ways of worship and the manner in which She blesses the devotees. May all devotees gain their well-being by reciting the Lalita Sahasranama - a veritable kalpavriksha - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal[/color]

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 26, 2012, 10:53:53 AM »
Today is Friday and very auspicious day for Mother Goddess and sharing this quote of Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal on importance of Lalitha Sahasranama .BTW Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahswamigal is leaving Chennai after finishing his Chaturmasya Vrata here ( I do not know his exact time of departure ) . Personally I was benefited a lot by Acharya's visit to Chennai and had his Darshan 3 times ( one very close and personal with my family Vedic Priest ) and those visits, listening to his talks, watching his ChandraMouliswear Puja etc  helped me develop more shraddha in our Sanatana Dharma, seriousness in learning Sanskrit as well as studying the works of Adi Shankara( his stotras , commentaries etc )  .
Lalita Sahasranamam enunciates the Vedantic truths and describes the Paradevata's saguna rupa; the ways of worship and the manner in which She blesses the devotees. May all devotees gain their well-being by reciting the Lalita Sahasranama - a veritable kalpavriksha - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

General Discussion / Re: UG Krishnamurthy?
« on: October 12, 2012, 07:53:15 PM »
         I feel discussions on whether UG/Osho was liberated or not are redundant !
We have to discuss the teaching, not people, in my opinion. Please excuse me if you find it inappropriate.

I have already expressed in other thread on Osho about this .For me I never invest my time and energy on the Teacher and rather spend it on seeing how far those teachings help me become more clear or refined .If it does ,I take it .If not I set it aside .

Dear Sanjay,
       :) Why dont you include me also ;)
how do you know JK/UG/Osho had the True experience ?
Rather what makes us suspect that they had experience ?

I do not know what state Tushnimji is or Ravi is Or Subramanian Sir is or any one in this forum is .I do not know whether they really live the teachings  what they write or share here . I do not know whether they write out of their own experience or copying from some books or from other sources in the net .It is none of my business .I check this forum to see if I have any valuable input  Primarily related to Bhagwan Ramana , Arunachala and secondly with respect to Other teachers ,Advaita , Sanathana Dharma etc that  can help me .If it is I take it ,If it is not I leave it .

I feel if we go on spending time doing R&D on each and every individual teacher , we will end up our entire life doing only that .

General Discussion / Re: UG Krishnamurthy?
« on: October 12, 2012, 12:28:18 PM »

The following explains UG's meeting with Sringeri Acharya Sri Abhivana Vidyateertha at Sringeri .

Meeting With the Shankaracharya of Sringeri
That year in Madras, U.G. ran into his boyhood friend, Mr. Tummalapalli Ramalingeswara Rao. Mr. Tummalapalli was a great scholar in the Sanskrit, Telugu and English languages. He was also an adept in Mantras. U.G. at that time was looking for a more suitable place in India, a place with a more temperate climate than Madras. When he heard of U.G.'s interests, Mr. Tummalapalli suggested Sringeri as the proper place. "I am well acquainted with the Jagadguru (lit. "World Teach"—title of Sri Sankarachary) of Sringeri Pitha, Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha Swami. Things will work out well for you there," he assured U.G. and Valentine and led them to Sringeri.

U.G. liked the environs of Sringeri very much and also the peaceful climate of the banks of the River Tunga. He wanted to rent or buy a place and live there. Mr. Ramalingeswara Rao introduced U.G. to the Swami of Sringeri. When he heard of the Calamity that had happened to U.G., he said, "I must talk to you in private," and led U.G. into his private chambers which were located in a garden called Narasimhavana on the far side of the river Tunga. It is noteworthy that he allowed Valentine also into that room. The Swami sat on the Teacher's Seat (Guru Pitha), and U.G. and Valentine sat in front of him.

"When I heard of the extraordinary things that happened to you, I am reminded of my guru Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati," the Jagadguru started talking. "I don't know of these things in my own personal experience. But my teacher used to describe his experiences just the way they have occurred in your case. We were afraid that perhaps his mind was deranged. It is very rare that the body survives the shock of such a thoughtless state. According to the scriptures, within twenty-one days after such an event the body dies. If the body could sustain its vital force and not die off, it must surely be for the sake of saving humanity. There is no doubt about it."

U.G., on the contrary, had no inclination to save the world or uplift humanity. He listened silently as the teacher spoke. Then he presented to the Jagadguru his proposal for establishing his residence near Sringeri in a solitary place away from people. In reply, the Jagadguru said, "I will be responsible for getting you any place around here, if you so wish. But your idea of living alone will never work. Whether you stay in a jungle or in a mountain cave, people won't stop coming to see you." The teacher's warning made U.G. abandon his resolve to stay away from people.

At that time, Dr. K. B. Ramakrishna Rao used to be the principal of the JCBM College in Sringeri. The Jagadguru invited him to visit and introduced him to U.G.

General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 07:47:03 PM »
Dear Atmavichar,
           Thank you for that explanaton. I was really unaware of it. Actually I was planning to get this clarified by someone.
This clears the doubt.

But even in case of type1 , what is the difference it makes when we know the meaning and when we do not know the meaning ?
The analogy given by Acharyas is you go to a Doctor for some illness , the Doctor prescribes u some medication . You take it having faith in the Doctor . The Medicines works in your system whether you know the composition of the medicines or not .It is not possible for all the patients to know the meaning or composition of those medicines unless they themselves are Doctors or Chemist . If you wait for the day that you will take the medicines only when you know the meaning for the same then you will only be a looser . These days many Doctors complain  that the big problem with some of the current patients is they do their own R&D in google on the  medicines and argue with them with their half baked Google knowledge   :) and first they come as patients  humbly to receive medicines and then in the next visit  they advise the Doctors themselves as to the what they read about the medicines in the net  :)
That is why Swami Paramarthananda and other Acharyas like Kanchi Paramacharya say that when it comes to Veda Purva Mantras just follow what the Vedic Priest tells you do without arguing with your half baked google knowledge  :) In fact people like Kanchi Pramacharya have gone to the extent of saying that it is better not to know the meaning of the Veda Purva Mantras as you will chant the Mantras with more faith rather than a person with half baked google knowledge  :)
If you still want to know the meanings , there are scholars who have studied Bashyam in Vedas i.e detailed explanation of the Mantras , their significance , potency etc and visit them and learn from them .In Chennai , if you visit Sanskrit College you will get to see such Scholars .

But when it comes to Vedanta , the Acharyas are clear that you need to understand the meaning of the mantras as unfolded by the Guru and mechanical repetition of  Vedantic Statements will not help you .

One more thing .
This again I got it from Swami Paramarthananda - Not all things in Veda Purva are subject to Scientific Analysis as Vedas are beyond Science .For eg you will have to accept a thing called "Pitru loka" when you do "Sraddham /Tarpanam" for your departed ancestors ,and  if you say unless you prove to me that a Pitru loka exits via Telescope or satellite pictures I will not believe it    :) then nothing can be done for such a person . You just have to accept the Veda Purva Portion as it is .
Only when you come to Vedanta you adopt the rigorous Intellectual standards for logical reasoning .
BTW I am not an expert on these things and that is why when it comes to Veda Purva things like Dharma Sastras etc I consult my Family  Vedic Priest and in fact I am on a Project recording some of the important aspects related to our Daily Vedic Rituals etc through my family priest and there is a Vedic Scholar , called Sarma Sastrigal who has written an excellent book on The Great Hindu Tradition and for more details about the book and about him you can refer the following link :
His email and other contact details are given there .
Only 2 days back I spoke to him and have Ordered that book to know more about these things .Apart from that I refer the 7 Volumes of Kanchi Paramacharya "Voice of God " as well as the various books published by Sringeri Sarada Peetam on the talks of Sringeri Acharyas for details about our Traditional practices , Mantras , Dharma Sastras etc

General Discussion / Re: Water - Arghya - Significance
« on: October 10, 2012, 06:51:14 PM »
However i have seen even traditional teachers suggest that simple chantign without knowign the meaning is also useful. I am not sure how that works and whether or not it works :).

According to Swami Paramarthananda ( this is from a talk of his ) - in Vedas there are 2 types of Mantras - Type -1 where Shabda Pramana ( i.e Vibratory Power ) is important and Type-2  where Artha Pramana ( i.e Meaning ) is important .
In Veda Purva i.e the Ritualistic Portion Type -1 Mantras are used and in Vedanta i.e the Knowledge portion Type-2 Mantras are used .

But it is not as though for Type -1 Mantras there is no meaning . It does have a meaning but for Common Man it is enough he learns to chant it properly with the right pronunciation after learning it from a proper Guru . Eg Sri Rudram - many people chant it and but people say never chant it without getting the right training from a proper Vedic Teacher as wrong Chanting is dangerous and many people have had negative effects of wrong chanting of Veda Mantras even with good intention . But Sri Rudram is also called as Rudro Upanishat and Swami Daynanda has given a detailed commentary on the same .
Aurobinda has written books on the secret of Rig Veda Mantras .
So in essence : Remember which Mantra Type it comes in i.e Type-1 , Type-2 and follow accordingly .

Subramaniam Sir

Happy that you started this thread 3 years back .I have recently started my formal study of Bhagwan Ramana's works starting with Arunachala Stuti Panchakam and using Kanakammal's English Translation of the same .I got it during my last visit to Ramana Ashram in Dec 2009 .I also have her Tamil Version of the same and just now Downloaded Michael James free ebook on the same which is a word by word translation in English based on Sadhu Om's Translation in Tamil .
Both these works will be very useful for me as my knowledge of Classical Tamil is not enough to understand the meaning directly from the Original Tamil Works / Translations .

Dear KSKAT27

Osho made a lot of positive impact in me and I had lot of my doubts cleared after reading his books , listening to his speeches . I have never visited Osho Commune in Pune nor intend to visit in future .For me reading his books helped me come out of some of the mental rut that I got trapped in and it was very much refreshing once I got out of those mental rut and I credit Osho's books and talks for the same .The same with JK . Both of these people have made an enormous impact on me and I consider this as one of the greatest blessings in my life .
But one thing : We must be very careful in how we take Osho/JK teachings and one can go travel in the wrong path if one does not understand their teachings properly .
People can talk about their lifestyle etc and as far as I am concerned I will take any teaching from anyone provided it helps me develop clarity . The teachings are more important than the teacher . This is my take .
Since this is a forum dedicated to Bhagwan Ramana ,I do not want to share more about Osho/JK here and in fact I am compiling in my own Journal the major important Pointers or Insights that I found valuable from  these 2 people that affected me positively and made a great shift in my life .I will share that later in my own personal blog later .
So in a nutshell for me : I was highly benefited by reading the Books of Osho and by listening to his talks and Videos and will continue to do so .Do I consider them as my Gurus .No ,but I consider them as people who helped me look at life more deeply and develop more clarity and always thank almighty for bringing those teachings to my life

It was Kanchi Maha  Periva who directed Paul Brunton to Bhagwan Ramana Maharashi as a person who was a living proof of the higher Yoga i.e Maha Yoga and then the rest is History . Many people say that Paul Brunton brought our Bhagwan Ramana to the outside world through his book "A search in secret India ".It is true, but the root cause of the same was Kanchi Maha Periva .

Now how did Kanchi Maha Periva knew about this without even meeting Bhagwan Ramana to certify him as the living proof of Higher Yoga  ? I do not have an answer for this .Might be that is why  he is called as Maha Periva .

A good example here is the temple town of Tiruvannamalai in TN where there are at least 4 beef shops just a stone throw from the ancient Shiva temple.

Not to forget the several liquor shops lining the Girivaaml route near the market and some even name themselves as Annamalai wines or Arunachala Wines .

In North India many religious places are declared meat and liquor free zones .
I like Rishikesh because it is a meat and liquor free zone and both meat and liquors have been banned there  in Rishikesh and Haridwar . Same in Amritsar the area around the Golden Temple is banned from having any meat /liquor shops .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 09, 2012, 07:16:38 AM »
One who cultivates solitude, eats lightly, and has controlled his speech, body and mind, and is ever intent on serving his Guru, becomes fit for Self-realisation.- Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal.

The Srimad Bhagavata / Re: Eknath's Bhagavatha
« on: October 08, 2012, 10:37:48 PM »
Some intersting piece of information about Eknath from wikipedia

Sant Eknath (1533–1599) was a prominent Marathi Saint, scholar and religious poet. In the development of Marathi literature, Sant Eknath is seen as a bridge between the towering predecessors Dnyaneshwar and Naamdev and the equally noble successors Tukaram and Ramdas.

Eknath was born sometime around 1530 AD in an illustrious Brahmin family of Pratisthan (Paithan today).

Almost all of Eknath's writings were in verse form in Marathi. Eknath wrote a scholarly and lucid commentary, Eknathi Bhagawat, on the Eleventh Canto of the Sanscrit sacred text, the Bhagavata Purana.

Eknath’s teachings may be summarized as "Vichar, Uchchar and Achar" i.e., purity in thought, speech and action. His works, verses and preachings kindled hope among the people at a time when they needed it most.Keeping aside Sanskrit" as the medium he adopted to write and speak in simple Marathi. His teachings were in form of "Pravachan" and "Keertan" in simple Marathi language that attracted the masses. His son Haripant did not like the change , however Eknath did not give up his mission to teach the common man about the purity in life at the down most levels.

Eknath embraced "jalsamadhi" (water samadhi) in the sacred Godavari on Krishna Shasthi day of Phalguna in the year 1599AD.