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Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for your timely inputs . You mention below :
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. He mentions about Arunachala in all Tiruvannamalai songs
but not as prayer to the Hill but as a passing reference.

Does that mean Aruagiri Nathar could never see the importance of Arunachala Hill like other Saivite Saints saw in the Hill  ?

Also u mention below that Bhagwan recommended 2 songs for a devotee for her daughters early marriage .
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Sri Bhagavan has mentioned one or two songs of Tirupugazh in His conversations. He recommended to one parents to make
her daughter sing NeelangoL megathin mayil meethil..... for her early marriage.
Does it mean that it is like a Mantra Sastra ?

Is Thirupuggazh ,a Bhakti Literature , An Advaitic one ,a Mantra Shastraor a Combination of all these ?

I have with me one book on Kandar Anubhuthi by N.V.Karthikeyan ,a disciple of Swami Sivananda and published by Divine Life Society Press , Rishikesh and he has given an Esoteric significance of this work . He says that if the entire works of Sanit Arunagiri Nathar are considered as Arunagiri Veda then Kandar Anubhuti would form the Anubhuti Upnaishad and the 51 verses of the Kandar Anubhuti are like 51 Upanishadic Mantras - so concise , so pithy and so brevity filled ,with many secret cluses to higher meditation and experience .

BTW Today i.e Sat 6 October 2012 being Shasti Tithi ,I am happy to have opened this topic on Kandar Anubhti / Saint ArunaGiri Nathar . Pranams to Lord Subramanya . Pranams to Bhagwan Ramana who was Lord Subramanya in Human form .

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 06, 2012, 01:47:06 PM »
Krishna,
Correction .The talk is at 18:00 hrs today.I understand that it is a continuation on 'Guru Kripa vilAsam' from where left off yesterday.I am given to understand that he spoke about how Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha swamiji received upadesa in dream  from Sri Chandrasekara Bharati swamiji.
The CDs generally will be available whenever he gives his talks at Narada gana sabha.I will find out and revert on this.
Namaskar.

Thanks Ravi .I have read almost all publications of Sringeri with regard to Sri Chandareskara Bharati Swamiji and I highly respect him and my latest quote in Shankaracharya Thread is also from him yesterday from the book Golden Words of H.H.Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati and I consider it a good coincidence that Sri Nochurji also started speaking about him from yesterday .

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Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: Tolerance
« on: October 06, 2012, 01:38:04 PM »
Ravi , Nagaraj

I am not contradicting both of you .
I just want to bring back the focus to what Graham started this forum for . No doubt he has given lot of flexibility for us and we must respect that and not dilute that freedom in any way . We are enjoying today sharing in this forum because of his efforts .
So let us keep that basic spirit and Go ahead with our discussions as usual .
Om Peace .

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 06, 2012, 01:32:48 PM »
Friends,
For those of you in Chennai,Sri Nochur Venkatraman  is giving talks at Sudharma,near woodland Hotel on Radha Krishnan sAlai ,at 18:30 hrs (06/10/12).The Shankaracharya of Sringeri peetam is camping there and perhaps may grace this occasion.
For your information,Sri Nochur had given a 3 day  talk on Akshara MaNa mAlai(wonderful),continuing from where he left off last year in Astika samAjam,alwarpet .He had also given a seven day talk on the upanishads and the Gita at Hema MAlini kalyAna mandapam recently.All these will be brought out in CD format.
Namaskar



Mr.Ravi

Thanks for the info . Do u know where we can get Sri .Nochur's talk on Akshara Mana Malai on CD ?I got his Ulladhu Naarpadu from Ramana Ashram few years back .
BTW is he giving a talk on Srimad Bhagavatham today at Sudharma ?

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The Srimad Bhagavata / Eknath's Bhagavatha
« on: October 06, 2012, 01:21:58 PM »
Dear Friends

I read in David Godman's book on Papaji ( Nothing Ever Happened ) that Papaji used to read Eknath's Bhagavatha and once in Haridwar he spent nearly a week reading it on the banks of the Ganges .

Can anyone share what is so special about Eknath's Bhagavatha ?

I have the Bhagavatha of Gita Press and also the one published by Ramana Ashram by S.S.Cohen but yet to read seriously both these texts .

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Dear Friends

It is well known that Arunagiri Nathar got his enlightenment at Arunachaleshwara Temple in Thriuvanamalai with Lord Subramanya giving him the Upadesa and Darshan after which he started composing many beautiful songs on Lord Subramanya .
Except Kandhar Anubuthi ,I am not aware of any songs in Thirupuggazh .

The following are my questions :
1) Did Arunagiri Nathar sing any song in praise of Aruncahala ( either deity or hill ) apart from Lord Subramanya  ?
2) What was Bhagwan's opinion of Thirupugazh / Arunagiri Nathar ? Did he ask people to read Thirupugazh ?
3) Any useful details regarding Thirupugazh i.e its basic contents , philosophy , etc

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OK Subramaniam Sir . Thanks for the input .
I felt might be Sri Kavya Kanta Ganapathi would have done a translation of the same  in Sanskrit.

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Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: Tolerance
« on: October 06, 2012, 01:02:49 PM »
Mr.Nagaraj

As far as this forum goes we need to follow what Graham has laid out as the basic rules for this forum
   This is a  Forum dedicated to Arunachala and Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi.  That is the Sashtra  for this  forum and we need to respect that . Let us keep it quite simple with that .

Om Peace .

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Friends

I have shared my thoughts in the "Tolerance" thread started by Graham  in the Forum advice, news & etiquette sub forum many years back when he started this forum .
I feel we need to go back to the basics to avoid unpleasant feelings and focus on the real teachings of Bhagwan  Ramana which is what is this forum for .

Om Peace .

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General topics / Re: Discussion on the Quotes of Shankaracharya's
« on: October 06, 2012, 12:09:24 PM »
Friends

I have shared my thoughts in the "Tolerance" thread started by Graham  in the Forum advice, news & etiquette sub forum many years back when he started this forum .
I feel we need to go back to the basics to avoid unpleasant feelings and focus on the real teachings of Bhagwan  Ramana which is what is this forum for .

Om Peace .

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Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: Tolerance
« on: October 06, 2012, 12:01:39 PM »
Dear Friends

I am relatively new to this forum and I do not know the background of many people here and what sort of pleasant / unpleasant exchanges have happened in the past between members here . These sort of unpleasant exchanges are not unique to this forum and I see it repeated in many other forums .In the past I used to visit some forums but later took a big break from forums and postings as I found it mentally draining  and recently again  joined few forums to see how it works . But I found every where there is a war or sort after few days ,then people quit , again come back ,again quit and go back and this drama continues .
I have myself been benefited a lot from many of these forums including this forum and I feel we must be very careful to get the best of these forums without getting trapped in unwanted fights that is mentally draining .
Based on my past experience I have found that If everyone follows the following steps I feel we can avoid the negativity and continue to enjoy the positive aspects of sharing .
One of the perils of sharing your feelings openly in a forum like this  is that you invite various sort of reactions  for your posts and not every reaction will be conducive to your taste .
You can choose to ( It is not just you , it applies to me as well as anyone else )
1) ignore the unpleasant and carry on with what is pleasant or
2)you can ignore both ( pleasant /unpleasant ) and carry on posting what you feel just as a catharsis or just remain silent and allow people to decide whatever they want to about your silence
3) Get on on war / argument with those who passed comments that were unpleasant to you
4) If you feel if have made a mistake and got on a war then best is to clarify your position as most of the time the problem is in miscommunication or apologize to the person whom you felt you have hurt directly or indirectly . This will help cool tempers .
If you do 1 ,2 then you will have less headache and mental tension but if you do (3) then be prepared for lot of mental tension and stress unless it is a healthy exchange .
The only option for you after (3) is to do (4) to get back .

Everyone is entitled to their Opinion ( within the forum rules ) .Also please remember that every comment does not merit a response .
You have a choice of how you respond to anyone's comments as per 1,2,3 ,4given above .No one can force you to respond or not to respond .
If you fail to exercise that Choice properly then you land up in a mess like what happens in many forums .
I leave it to you all  to decide how you choose to respond in future .
I am writing this not just to advice others but also to remind myself to walk what I talk .
I am highly happy  with Graham for creating this forum as it has helped me get back to the teachings of Bhagwan Ramana and his works from a diverse perspective .I look forward for more enriching wisdom here from other members .

All the best .Om Peace .

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 06, 2012, 08:09:16 AM »
The intrinsic worth of anything is always there whether one recognises it or not. A Diamond remains a diamond whether you accept or not. Similar is the case with Sanatana Dharma. - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal.

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General topics / Re: how to manage book collections
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:32:46 PM »
Dear atmacvichar,

I have given some spiritual books to Sri Ramakrishna Ashram in Bangalore.

Arunachala Siva.
Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for the input . What sort of books will they accept ? Will they accept only spiritual books related to Sri Ramakrishna or any spiritual books ?

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General topics / Re: how to manage book collections
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:10:40 PM »
sir, what is there: give away all  the books you feel you do not need any more !
and give away the good books you have already comprehended to people who are learning.
and keep the books that aid you.

Done that in the past i.e 3 years back and will do the next set of giving in the coming few months .
I am now re arranging my books in the order of my interest and will start my next set of giving of books that I do not read anymore and nor do I have any interest to read in the future .

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:05:06 PM »
 The tendency to neglect the doctrine that Vedantic Study is intended only for the Competent is responsible for the confused thinking of modern days . Even for simple crafts , such as masonry or carpentry , a preliminary course of training is required before a person is allowed to handle the instruments .
But in the field of Brahma - Vidya , the science of the Self , the highest and the most difficult of all the sciences , everyone thinks himself competent and entitled to study the system of Advaita and even to sit in judgement over it . This attitude must go and must be replaced by earnest endeavour to secure first the necessary competence .


H.H.Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati Mahaswamigal , Sringeri Acharya

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