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For me whats really important is the understanding that changes my life..

I concur with the above quote of yours . In the past i.e many years back I used to get upset when I used to hear these sort of news but  after reading "Living By the Words of Bhagwan " I just smile when I get these sort of news . No doubt I do get upset but I do not allow that to dominate my thinking anymore .

Personally these are what I try to follow in my own life to avoid falling in to such mental traps :
To resist the influence of others, knowledge of oneself is most important -Teal'c

Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others.-Buddha

Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings -- that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.- Buddha

Mind your business .Attend to what you came for - Bhagwan

Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: November 23, 2012, 07:21:45 AM »
Such is the Power and the Greatness of our Guru,our Father!!!

Dear Jewell , Balaji

Bhagwan needs no formality with regard to how we worship him .We can chant his songs , or chant the Maha Mantra "Arunachala Siva" or just sit in silence in front of his pic .When true devotion is there method of expression does not matter much .
Formality of Satsang is only to see to it that we do not slip down due to the force of Maya .
So invoke Bhagwan in what ever way you feel like . Bhagwan understand our hearts better  .
Om Peace .

All the neo-advaitins and modern day instant vedanta schools commit some sort of mistake like this -- jumping suddenly to Self and overlooking the karma, desires,  moha etc. that one has so far accumulated.  It is very important that one practice detachment and burn his vasanas before he is ready for  a experience of Self.

Dear Kaskat
Even recently 2  famous people one in the tradition of Yoga and other from Tradition of Advaita have been caught for sexual + financial misconduct and are in hiding now . This did not attract Media attention here but their close students and admirers have deserted them seeing their dubious behavior . They feel ashamed to come out now .There was no question of lack of Knowledge for them .They came from Traditional lineage ( one in Yoga and another in Vedanta ) ,well versed in the relevant Scriptures of Yoga and Vedanta and were excellent speakers and also had many books published to their Credit .
Yesterday I came across the following quote of Bhagwan Ramana posted by Nagaraj in another thread and that very aptly summed why some highly knowledgeable people are getting caught in Sexual and financial misconduct .I have given my comments on the other thread also about this .
Knowledge can remain unshaken only after all the vasanas are rooted out - Bhagwan Ramana.

Note : I am not saying all people who are giving lectures on Yoga , Advaita etc are like that . Nor do I say that their lectures and talks are incorrect .Their talks are very correct and still hold true inspite of their misconduct and I still read them because they have presented the vision correctly as the received from their Gurus /lineage .
I have no objection in people presenting Advaita directly i.e advaita without going through intense sadhana .That is their right but I request them to please not make fun of those who are doing Sadhana and Bhakti . The above 2 people were doing exactly that and look where they have landed now . The funny thing is that now they are doing "intense sadhana and invoking God " to come out of this mess . I wish them all the best .
There is enough knowledge in the world right now . My small 1 inch pendrive can accommodate all the Major Scriptures ( text + audio ) and many are now freely available on net for downloading . The problem is not knowledge but living an ethical  integrated life more so if you are taking an open role of preaching /teaching to others .
The mistake these 2 people did has not just affected them but has affected the entire tradition that they represented to such an extent the common people like us has have started questioning them and their relevance more so in the context of many such spiritual people getting now caught with their pants down on TV and Internet .
I still respect the tradition and still respect the knowledge that has been passed on through the tradition but at the end I need to introspect myself how far I am living those teachings in my own day to day life . We definitely need Knowledge + Sadhhana + Bhakti + Grace of Ishwara to lead an ethical ,Integrated life .
Om Peace .

11-1-46 Afternoon
A young man from Colombo asked Bhagavan, “J. Krishnamurti teaches the method of effortless and choiceless awareness as distinct from that of deliberate concentration. Would Sri Bhagavan be pleased to explain how best to practise meditation and what form the object of meditation should take?”

Bhagavan: Effortless and choiceless awareness is our real nature. If we can attain it or
be in that state, it is all right. But one cannot reach it without effort, the effort of deliberate meditation. All the age-long vasanas carry the mind outward and turn it to external objects. All such thoughts have to be given up and the mind turned inward. For that, effort is necessary for most people. Of course everybody, every book says, “Summa iru” i.e., “Be quiet or still”. But it is not easy. That is why all this effort is necessary. Even if we find one who has at once achieved the mauna or Supreme state indicated by “Summa iru”, you may take it that the effort necessary has already been finished in a previous life. So that, effortless and choiceless awareness is reached only after deliberate meditation. That meditation can take any form which appeals to you best. See what helps you to keep away all other thoughts and adopt that method for your meditation.

Source : Exact source not known but I saw it in Ramana Ashram FaceBook page .and putting it as it is

Knowledge can remain unshaken only after all the vasanas are rooted out.


I have seen the fall of few  spiritual people who had expert knowledge of the Yoga / Vedantic Scriptures and also went about preaching it world wide but could not control their vasanas and lived a dubious life in private with the result they have lost most of the respect that they had earned due to their spiritual position  and also with their knowledge of scriptures  . Some of them have had lot of media coverage and hence the damage is enormous but some were lucky to escape the media attention but yet in their own circles of students and admirers  they have lost the trust and respect . I do not know whether they can get back their respect .I wish them all the best .
After reading the above quote I was reminded of those fallen people . But this is also a big reminder to all of us that is good to have sound Scriptural Knowledge but that must be equally backed by an ethical lifestyle more so if you play the role of a teacher / preacher .
However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha
Om Peace .

I Wish You All Happy Thanksgiving and Sainth Gabriel's Day! May He Bless us All! With love and prayers,

Thanks Jewell and wish you the same .

Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: November 22, 2012, 06:46:01 PM »

Happy that you found my post encouraging . Keep it up and keep the spirit of Bhagwan in your life in what ever way you want and he will guide you accordingly .
Om Peace .

Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: November 22, 2012, 03:46:27 PM »
Subramaniam Sir

Even Adi Shankara has said a similar thing about Satsangha in his Bhaja Govindam :

Sat-sangatve nissangatvam nissangatve nirmohatvam
Nirmohatve nishchala-tattvam nishchala-tattve jivanmuktih

Satsangga i.e Good and virtuous company gives rise to non-attachment. From non-attachment comes freedom from delusion. With freedom from delusion, one feels the changeless reality. Experiencing that changeless reality, one attains liberation in this life.

Adi Shankara in Bhaja Govindam

I remember even Bhagwan saying in one of the advice for a spiritual aspirant i.e first step is satsangha and rest will follow accordingly .

Today i.e Thu 22 Nov 2012 is a Thanksgiving day .
Thanksgiving is celebrated each year on the fourth Thursday of November in the United States  .Thanksgiving Day is a time for many people to give thanks for what they have.Thanksgiving Day is traditionally a day for families and friends to get together for a special meal. In Indian Context we can say Pongal festival as equivalent to Thanksgiving day .

This is the story on ThanksGiving Day  that I read in 1996 from the book "Notes from a Friend" by Anthony Robbins that made a very positive impact on me ( I had never known about Thanks Giving day before )

One Man’s Story— Importance of Thanksgiving day 

On Thanksgiving many years ago, a young family awoke with a sense of foreboding. Instead of looking forward to a day filled with gratitude, they were preoccupied by thoughts of what they did not have. At best, they would scrape together a meager meal on this day of “feasting.” If they had contacted a local charity group, they would have had a turkey with all the trimmings, but they hadn’t. Why? Because they, like many other families, were proud people. Somehow they would make do with what they had.

The difficult situation led to frustration and hopelessness, then to irreparable, harsh words between the mother and father. The eldest son felt devastated and helpless as he watched the people he loved most become more and more angry and depressed.

Then destiny intervened…a loud and unexpected knock at the door! The boy opened it and was greeted by a tall man in rumpled clothing. He was grinning broadly, carrying a huge basket brimming with every conceivable Thanksgiving delight: a turkey, stuffing, pies, sweet potatoes, canned goods---everything for a holiday feast!

The family was stunned. The man at the door said, “This is from someone who knows you’re in need and wants you to know that you’re loved and cared for.” At first, the father of the family didn’t want to take the basket, but the man said, “Look, I’m just a delivery person.” Smiling, he set the basket in the boy’s arms, turned to leave, then called over his shoulder, “Have a great Thanksgiving!”

In that moment, this young man’s life was forever changed. With this simple act of kindness, he learned that hope is eternal, that people---even “strangers”---really do care. The sense of gratitude he felt moved him deeply, and he swore to himself that someday he’d do well enough to give something back to others in a similar way. And by the time he was eighteen years old, he had begun to fulfill that promise. With his scant earnings, he set out to purchase groceries, not for himself, but for two families he had learned were in dire need of food. He then drove to deliver them, dressed in an old pair of jeans and a T-shirt, intending to present the gift as if he were a delivery boy. When he arrived at the first dilapidated house, he was greeted by a Latina woman who looked at him suspiciously. She had six children, and her husband had abandoned the family only a few days before. They had no food.

The young man offered, “I have a delivery for you, ma’am.”He then went out to his car and began to carry in bags and boxes overflowing with food: a turkey, stuffing, pies, sweet potatoes, canned goods. The woman’s jaw dropped. The children, when they saw the food being brought into the house, let out shrieks of delight.

The young mother, who spoke only broken English, grabbed the young man by the arm and started to kiss him all over, saying, “You gift from God! You gift from God!”

“No, no,” the young man said. “I’m just the delivery boy. This is a gift from a friend.”
Then he handed her a note that said,

This is a note from a friend. Please have a wonderful Thanksgiving---you and your family deserve it. Know that you are loved. And someday, if you have the chance, please do well enough to do this for someone else and pass on the gift.

The young man continued to bring in bag after bag of groceries. The excitement, joy, and love reached a fever pitch. By the time he left, the sense of connection and contribution moved the young man to tears. As he drove away, looking back at the smiling faces of the family he’d had the privilege to help, he realized that that his story had come full circle, that the “horrible day” from his youth was actually a gift from God, guiding him, pointing him toward fulfillment through a life committed to contribution. With this one act he began a quest that continues to this day: to return the gift that was given to him and his family and to remind people that there is always a way to turn things around, that they are loved, and that---with simple steps, a little understanding, and massive action---whatever challenges exist now can be turned into valuable lessons and opportunities for personal growth and long-term happiness.

How do I know so much about this young man and his family, not only about what they did, but also how they felt? Because he is me.

Anthony Robbins

Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: November 22, 2012, 12:58:16 PM »
Dear Atmavichar100,

Yes. Holding Satsanghs in the house or in some places in one's town, with like minded people  is also an excellent idea to
continue unfailingly our remembrance of Sri Bhagavan.

Arunachala Siva.

Yes Subramaniam Sir

That is what I am doing myself ( I have visited Arunachala , Ramana Ashram many times but no more inclined to visit ) and try to now have regular satsang at my own house informally .I choose the time 6.45p.m- 7.30 p.m in evening ,the time of Tamil Parayana at Ramana Ashram and keep chanting Arunachala Stuti Panchakam and on Sat chant Ramana Stuti Panchakam . Slowly I intend to memorize the other Tamil works and follow the same Mon- Sat routine of Tamil Parayana at my house at the same time .If the time does not work it does not matter but I have kept in my mind  that I spend 30-45 mts daily with some work of Bhagwan with full focus .
I suggest the same to others i.e instead of breaking your head about how to go ,when to go etc etc ( for some it is logistic problem ,for some financial problem ,for some time problem ,for some family problem and for some a combination of all above ) .Some complain that there is no Ramana Satsang in their City or even if it is it is too far from their house etc etc  .Do not wait for motivation from outside ,just start some satsang activity in your own apartment even if it is a small single bedroom apartment and then leave the rest to Bhagwan  as Bhagwan does not care about formality etc .All you need is a Picture of Bhagwan and you can play the chants on your computer /laptop/MP3 player , sit silently , switch off your mobiles, internet  and follow the chants for 30-45mts with uninterrupted focus  and maintain it on a regular basis  and see how it keeps moving you .
In conclusion : Bring Bahgwan and Arunachala in to your own house and that can be done through Ramana Satsang
Om Peace .

Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: November 22, 2012, 12:32:31 PM »
Dear lathaji, Thank You Very much for these comforting words!! Yes,Bhagavan and Arunachala are Always in my heart,and that is most important. When the time come,with Blessings and Guru Grace,i will come there. Like in Your case,Bhagavan will take care of everything. Wish You All the Best!

Yes Jewell

When time comes things will happen on its own .
Visiting Arunachala and doing Giri Pradakshina  and staying at Ramana Maharshi Ashram and Meditating at the Old Hall  is just one way of showing our respects to them (i.e Bhagwan,Arunacahala ) but that need not be the only way . Bhagwan has left his wonderful works in Tamil and Sanskrit that you can chant them  or listen to them daily ( mostly are available for free download from the Ramana Ashram website ) , or read Bhagwan's Books in English by his close devotees i.e dialogues with Bhagwan etc and all these activities will keep you in touch with Bhagwan wherever you are and when the time is ripe , you will be able to visit here .
My suggestion is that you have a formal Bhagwan Satsang in your house once a week :
This is the link to how to have a Ramana Satsang .
Do not bother if you do not have friends /family members to take part in this .It is enough you start this satsang alone with urself and Bhagwan's picture in front of you .Today is auspicious day Guru's day and you can start it today and keep it every thursday and who knows soon how many people will join it .Satsang has a mysterious power . I know of one Zen teacher in America , a lady who used to do a zen satsang alone for many days in her room alone  but used to prepare the room as though many people will come ,first few weeks no one tuned up and slowly one by one people started coming and it became a big group . I have similar such stories .The intention here is not to attract a crowd but to keep the spirit of Bhagwan in your life and attract like minded people to it .
This is a  just a friendly advice .If you are already doing such a thing or related activity then do not worry ,carry on with whatever you are doing .
Om Peace .

Subramaniam Sir

Here is the link

There is Akashra Mana Malai( 3 talks )  and Arunchala Pancharatnam (17 talks )

After completing a round of daily chanting of Arunachala Akshara Mana Malai AAMM) , now I have started to chant the complete Arunachala Stuti Panchakam . I hope to maintain this as my daily Parayanam for the coming few weeks .Have downloaded Nochuru's 3 talks on AAMM and listening to them now .

Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: Lao Tzu Book - TAO TE CHING
« on: November 21, 2012, 11:38:19 AM »

Thanks for opening the thread on Lao Tzu .I came to know of him and his work Tao te Ching only through Osho .

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