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Friends

I have shared my thoughts in the "Tolerance" thread started by Graham  in the Forum advice, news & etiquette sub forum many years back when he started this forum .
I feel we need to go back to the basics to avoid unpleasant feelings and focus on the real teachings of Bhagwan  Ramana which is what is this forum for .

Om Peace .

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General topics / Re: Discussion on the Quotes of Shankaracharya's
« on: October 06, 2012, 12:09:24 PM »
Friends

I have shared my thoughts in the "Tolerance" thread started by Graham  in the Forum advice, news & etiquette sub forum many years back when he started this forum .
I feel we need to go back to the basics to avoid unpleasant feelings and focus on the real teachings of Bhagwan  Ramana which is what is this forum for .

Om Peace .

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Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: Tolerance
« on: October 06, 2012, 12:01:39 PM »
Dear Friends

I am relatively new to this forum and I do not know the background of many people here and what sort of pleasant / unpleasant exchanges have happened in the past between members here . These sort of unpleasant exchanges are not unique to this forum and I see it repeated in many other forums .In the past I used to visit some forums but later took a big break from forums and postings as I found it mentally draining  and recently again  joined few forums to see how it works . But I found every where there is a war or sort after few days ,then people quit , again come back ,again quit and go back and this drama continues .
I have myself been benefited a lot from many of these forums including this forum and I feel we must be very careful to get the best of these forums without getting trapped in unwanted fights that is mentally draining .
Based on my past experience I have found that If everyone follows the following steps I feel we can avoid the negativity and continue to enjoy the positive aspects of sharing .
One of the perils of sharing your feelings openly in a forum like this  is that you invite various sort of reactions  for your posts and not every reaction will be conducive to your taste .
You can choose to ( It is not just you , it applies to me as well as anyone else )
1) ignore the unpleasant and carry on with what is pleasant or
2)you can ignore both ( pleasant /unpleasant ) and carry on posting what you feel just as a catharsis or just remain silent and allow people to decide whatever they want to about your silence
3) Get on on war / argument with those who passed comments that were unpleasant to you
4) If you feel if have made a mistake and got on a war then best is to clarify your position as most of the time the problem is in miscommunication or apologize to the person whom you felt you have hurt directly or indirectly . This will help cool tempers .
If you do 1 ,2 then you will have less headache and mental tension but if you do (3) then be prepared for lot of mental tension and stress unless it is a healthy exchange .
The only option for you after (3) is to do (4) to get back .

Everyone is entitled to their Opinion ( within the forum rules ) .Also please remember that every comment does not merit a response .
You have a choice of how you respond to anyone's comments as per 1,2,3 ,4given above .No one can force you to respond or not to respond .
If you fail to exercise that Choice properly then you land up in a mess like what happens in many forums .
I leave it to you all  to decide how you choose to respond in future .
I am writing this not just to advice others but also to remind myself to walk what I talk .
I am highly happy  with Graham for creating this forum as it has helped me get back to the teachings of Bhagwan Ramana and his works from a diverse perspective .I look forward for more enriching wisdom here from other members .

All the best .Om Peace .

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 06, 2012, 08:09:16 AM »
The intrinsic worth of anything is always there whether one recognises it or not. A Diamond remains a diamond whether you accept or not. Similar is the case with Sanatana Dharma. - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal.

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General topics / Re: how to manage book collections
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:32:46 PM »
Dear atmacvichar,

I have given some spiritual books to Sri Ramakrishna Ashram in Bangalore.

Arunachala Siva.
Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for the input . What sort of books will they accept ? Will they accept only spiritual books related to Sri Ramakrishna or any spiritual books ?

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General topics / Re: how to manage book collections
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:10:40 PM »
sir, what is there: give away all  the books you feel you do not need any more !
and give away the good books you have already comprehended to people who are learning.
and keep the books that aid you.

Done that in the past i.e 3 years back and will do the next set of giving in the coming few months .
I am now re arranging my books in the order of my interest and will start my next set of giving of books that I do not read anymore and nor do I have any interest to read in the future .

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 05, 2012, 06:05:06 PM »
 The tendency to neglect the doctrine that Vedantic Study is intended only for the Competent is responsible for the confused thinking of modern days . Even for simple crafts , such as masonry or carpentry , a preliminary course of training is required before a person is allowed to handle the instruments .
But in the field of Brahma - Vidya , the science of the Self , the highest and the most difficult of all the sciences , everyone thinks himself competent and entitled to study the system of Advaita and even to sit in judgement over it . This attitude must go and must be replaced by earnest endeavour to secure first the necessary competence .


H.H.Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati Mahaswamigal , Sringeri Acharya

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Please continue what happened next after Maharshi finished the book on Aurobindo's yoga.

Yes please continue ,I am also interested in reading that .

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General topics / Re: how to manage book collections
« on: October 05, 2012, 02:32:33 PM »
Previous to coming Ramana I had a huge collection of Ramakrishna books,  Aurobindo books etc.

After finding solace and accepting Maharishee as my Guru,  I have been buying many Ramana books ,  each time I go to the ashram I buy two books.

The numbers are increasing,  how do you people manage them esp.  I am talking about a nominal house where luxury showcases are not there? 

Does anybody else have this habit of buying more and more Ramanasramam books / multi media cds etc.?

I have a habit of buying books related to Yoga , Spirituality , Non Duality and have a huge collection .But 2-3 years back I gave a huge set of books on spirituality , yoga that I do not read any more to a friend of mine who was collecting it for some Ashram's library or so and he gave it .

Of late I have avoided purchasing much and have now switched to buying books on Kindle to be read in my Kindle Reader in PC ( I still do not have Kindle reader but use the Kindle reader for PC in my LapTop and DeskTop ) .I am now using kindle mainly to avoid excess books in my room . But I prefer reading books in Hard Copy rather than on Computer

As regards Audio CDs  of talks on spirituality , spiritual songs etc ,I  have started storing  it in my Computer /Lap Top and I do not know what to do with the Old CDs .I have again stopped buying any fresh Audio CDs and I prefer to buy digital downloads .
So in essence I also have the excess books problem :)

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Has Akshara Mana Malai been rendered in Sanskrit either by Bhagwan or by any of his close disciples ?

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Dear Tushnim, Anil, Friends,

While i may have expressed my views, with some quotes of Sri Bhagavan, i only see this going endlessly. i discern that unless this questioning mind and answering mind subsides, nothing is fruitful no matter how much grandeur the exchanges may bring forth. Therefore, I withdraw myself from this current discussion.




 :)

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 05, 2012, 01:16:50 PM »
Among the contributory factors of liberation, devotion stands supreme, and it is the search for one's own true nature that is meant by devotion. - Adi Shankara

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 04, 2012, 02:26:27 PM »
For those who have withdrawn their intellect from external objects, who have won the grace of a realised Guru and whose mind has attained serenity, Self-realisation occurs without delay.- Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 04, 2012, 12:50:46 PM »
Thanks Mr.Nagaraj for posting this piece on Dharma .I have copied - pasted it on the other thread for discussion on the same as Dharma is a too complicated Topic and there is lot of confusion on what is Dharma today . So members share the views on the same in the Other thread and I have given an intro to that discussion .
Om Peace .

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General topics / Re: Discussion on the Quotes of Shankaracharya's
« on: October 04, 2012, 12:42:07 PM »
Mr.Nagaraj has posted about Dharma in the other thread of Quotes of Sri Shankaracharya and I felt it is worth discussing it here as there is lot of confusion with regard to what is Dharma in day to day life . While there is no conflict with regard to "samanya dharma" i.e Universal Dharma i.e Ahimsa , Satya , Asteya etc there is lot of confusion with regard to"Vishesha Dharma" i.e Dharma  with regard to one's caste ,culture, tradition  etc  especially in the Modern Urban life style where most of our energy goes out in day to day work , frequent traveling to other places due to work compulsions , getting posted outside ones native place either in India or Abroad that disturbs our regular practices etc . Plus people are confused whether these are still relevant these days but at the same time are unable to give it up fearing that some wrong things will happen . Also I know of many people in Corporate High level decision making who feel they are part of some Adharmic practices of the Organization even without their own intent and confused what to do . Should their loyalty be to their Organization or to their own Original Dharma ?
How do we resolve these ? Members share their inputs .

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Dharmo Rakshathi Rakshithaha

"If we protect Dharma, Dharma will protect us"

Protection of Dharma does not mean mere adoration of Dharma. It is the effort of putting the principles of Dharma into practice. Every one of us desires supreme happiness not only in this birth but also in subsequent births or Janmas. No one will wish to have sufferings or sorrow in any birth.

"Dharma grants happiness and peace. Adharma makes life miserable with agony and sorrow," says our Sastra.

What is the true meaning or significance of Dharma?

Dharma means: Helping the poor and the needy. Dharma means: Worshipping and obeying God. Dharma means: To be in the company of persons endowed with purity and virtues. Dharma means: Listening and understanding matters that reflect divine values and virtues. Dharma teaches us to avoid avarice and to eschew the desire to possess others' wealth. Dharma is Ahimsa. It is merciful nature not to harm anyone through word, deed or mind at any time. Humanity should imbibe and always remember this virtue: Just like me, others too feel joy and sorrow. If someone abuses or hurts me, it pains. It is in the same way the other person will also suffer, if I abuse him. Therefore what I do not wish to happen to me, should not happen to others also.

These values and virtues are universal.

"Athmanah prathikoolani pareshaam na samaachareth"


are the words of guidance from Sastras on these virtues.

"Don't do to others what is harmful to you" is the meaning of the above verse.

Violence is a great sin. Non-violence is the path of Dharma. If we wish to live in peace, happiness and harmony, we should live with love and faith.

Peace will not be there, where lust and anger dwells. Only when we drop our lust and anger, we would be able to live with true happiness and in peace.

We are all entering into a New Century and into a Millennium. The priority of our life should be to practice Dharma.

For ages, our sacred country India, has been in the task of teaching and preaching the message of peace or shanti to the world.

We should continue the task, with more commitment in the New Century spreading the message of Love, Peace and Harmony throughout the world.

We require God's grace in all our thoughts and deeds. Therefore we must pray to God with devotion, whenever we start any new activity.

Our Ego and selfishness should be totally dropped, as Ego is the root cause of our evil deeds. Hence everyone should function totally devoid of Ego or "Ahankara".

All the wisdom, capabilities and power that we possess are mercifully granted to us by God. Let us take an Oath "to use all our wisdom, capabilities and power in the service of God and in the service of humanity"

I bless one and all to follow Dharma and to prosper in life and to live with peace, progress, prosperity and happiness.

(Bharati Theertha Swamigal)



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