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Subramaniam Sir

Happy that you started this thread 3 years back .I have recently started my formal study of Bhagwan Ramana's works starting with Arunachala Stuti Panchakam and using Kanakammal's English Translation of the same .I got it during my last visit to Ramana Ashram in Dec 2009 .I also have her Tamil Version of the same and just now Downloaded Michael James free ebook on the same which is a word by word translation in English based on Sadhu Om's Translation in Tamil .
Both these works will be very useful for me as my knowledge of Classical Tamil is not enough to understand the meaning directly from the Original Tamil Works / Translations .

Dear KSKAT27

Osho made a lot of positive impact in me and I had lot of my doubts cleared after reading his books , listening to his speeches . I have never visited Osho Commune in Pune nor intend to visit in future .For me reading his books helped me come out of some of the mental rut that I got trapped in and it was very much refreshing once I got out of those mental rut and I credit Osho's books and talks for the same .The same with JK . Both of these people have made an enormous impact on me and I consider this as one of the greatest blessings in my life .
But one thing : We must be very careful in how we take Osho/JK teachings and one can go travel in the wrong path if one does not understand their teachings properly .
People can talk about their lifestyle etc and as far as I am concerned I will take any teaching from anyone provided it helps me develop clarity . The teachings are more important than the teacher . This is my take .
Since this is a forum dedicated to Bhagwan Ramana ,I do not want to share more about Osho/JK here and in fact I am compiling in my own Journal the major important Pointers or Insights that I found valuable from  these 2 people that affected me positively and made a great shift in my life .I will share that later in my own personal blog later .
So in a nutshell for me : I was highly benefited by reading the Books of Osho and by listening to his talks and Videos and will continue to do so .Do I consider them as my Gurus .No ,but I consider them as people who helped me look at life more deeply and develop more clarity and always thank almighty for bringing those teachings to my life

It was Kanchi Maha  Periva who directed Paul Brunton to Bhagwan Ramana Maharashi as a person who was a living proof of the higher Yoga i.e Maha Yoga and then the rest is History . Many people say that Paul Brunton brought our Bhagwan Ramana to the outside world through his book "A search in secret India ".It is true, but the root cause of the same was Kanchi Maha Periva .

Now how did Kanchi Maha Periva knew about this without even meeting Bhagwan Ramana to certify him as the living proof of Higher Yoga  ? I do not have an answer for this .Might be that is why  he is called as Maha Periva .

A good example here is the temple town of Tiruvannamalai in TN where there are at least 4 beef shops just a stone throw from the ancient Shiva temple.

Not to forget the several liquor shops lining the Girivaaml route near the market and some even name themselves as Annamalai wines or Arunachala Wines .

In North India many religious places are declared meat and liquor free zones .
I like Rishikesh because it is a meat and liquor free zone and both meat and liquors have been banned there  in Rishikesh and Haridwar . Same in Amritsar the area around the Golden Temple is banned from having any meat /liquor shops .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 09, 2012, 07:16:38 AM »
One who cultivates solitude, eats lightly, and has controlled his speech, body and mind, and is ever intent on serving his Guru, becomes fit for Self-realisation.- Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal.

The Srimad Bhagavata / Re: Eknath's Bhagavatha
« on: October 08, 2012, 10:37:48 PM »
Some intersting piece of information about Eknath from wikipedia

Sant Eknath (1533–1599) was a prominent Marathi Saint, scholar and religious poet. In the development of Marathi literature, Sant Eknath is seen as a bridge between the towering predecessors Dnyaneshwar and Naamdev and the equally noble successors Tukaram and Ramdas.

Eknath was born sometime around 1530 AD in an illustrious Brahmin family of Pratisthan (Paithan today).

Almost all of Eknath's writings were in verse form in Marathi. Eknath wrote a scholarly and lucid commentary, Eknathi Bhagawat, on the Eleventh Canto of the Sanscrit sacred text, the Bhagavata Purana.

Eknath’s teachings may be summarized as "Vichar, Uchchar and Achar" i.e., purity in thought, speech and action. His works, verses and preachings kindled hope among the people at a time when they needed it most.Keeping aside Sanskrit" as the medium he adopted to write and speak in simple Marathi. His teachings were in form of "Pravachan" and "Keertan" in simple Marathi language that attracted the masses. His son Haripant did not like the change , however Eknath did not give up his mission to teach the common man about the purity in life at the down most levels.

Eknath embraced "jalsamadhi" (water samadhi) in the sacred Godavari on Krishna Shasthi day of Phalguna in the year 1599AD.

The Srimad Bhagavata / Re: Eknath's Bhagavatha
« on: October 08, 2012, 10:31:23 PM »

This is from an article on Eknath by Swami Sivananda

Ekanath wrote the Bhagavat, which holds the same place of respect in Maharashtra as Tulsidas’ Ramayan holds in Northern India. It is popularly known as Ekanath Bhagavatam and is found in every house in Maharashtra

General Discussion / Re: How many days makes one mandalam?
« on: October 08, 2012, 12:24:01 PM »
One Mandalam is 48 Days, it is said when somebody doing some particular Sadhana, one has to do it without fail for 48 days, one mandalam, only then will the Sadhana get the fruits of what tapas he performs.

There are several scientific reasons for these calculations, i will get back to you once i gather more information.

Thanks Sri Nagaraj for this info . There was some confusion whether it is 40 or 48 as some people said that Iyyappa devotees maintain 40 days vratham . As I said for me it does not matter chanting for a few more days but  I want to know exactly when I complete 1 Mandalam so that on the day of conclusion I can do a better Puja and offer better Naivedyam and conclude it in a more enriching manner .

General Discussion / How many days makes one mandalam?
« on: October 08, 2012, 12:13:43 PM »
I want to get clarified How Many days make one Mandalam . When do some stotra chanting ( like Vshnu Sahasranama etc ) for 1 Mandalam then does it mean we chant it for 40 days or 42 or 45 or 48 days ?
Some say it is 40 but others give different nos . I know it does not matter much if we chant for few more days the names of God but just for technical purpose I want to know  whether it is 40 days or more than 40 days so that when I finish exactly 1 Mandalam of Parayanam of any stotra then I can make some special dish as Prasadam and do a special Pooja for almighty after I complete 1 Mandalam and restart the next Parayana .
So hoping for inputs from members here .
Om Peace .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 07, 2012, 08:53:52 PM »
Fools argue endlessly; skeptics doubt and criticize endlessly; a wise seeker abides by the instructions imparted by a realised Guru and gets liberated at the earliest. - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

Guruji Raghavan says: Even if does not read all the songs, Kandar Anubhuti will alone give moksha.

Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for your prompt and detailed reply . The above quote of Guruji Raghavan has really inspired me .Actually I am right now sitting to chant Kandar Anubhuti after a long break and your quote was timely and has re-inspired me to chant this Divine work .We must thank our great Sages for compressing all their Divine works in one single hymn for normal people like us to derive the benefit of singing all their works .
I am extremely grateful to Saint Arunagiri Nathar for compressing the essence of all his works in Kandhar Anubhuti .
Thanks once again for reminding Guruji Raghavan's words regarding KAndhar Anubhuti .
My Prostrations to Saint Arunagiri Natha .
Om Peace .


Subramaniam Sir

Thanks for your timely inputs . You mention below :
. He mentions about Arunachala in all Tiruvannamalai songs
but not as prayer to the Hill but as a passing reference.

Does that mean Aruagiri Nathar could never see the importance of Arunachala Hill like other Saivite Saints saw in the Hill  ?

Also u mention below that Bhagwan recommended 2 songs for a devotee for her daughters early marriage .
Sri Bhagavan has mentioned one or two songs of Tirupugazh in His conversations. He recommended to one parents to make
her daughter sing NeelangoL megathin mayil meethil..... for her early marriage.
Does it mean that it is like a Mantra Sastra ?

Is Thirupuggazh ,a Bhakti Literature , An Advaitic one ,a Mantra Shastraor a Combination of all these ?

I have with me one book on Kandar Anubhuthi by N.V.Karthikeyan ,a disciple of Swami Sivananda and published by Divine Life Society Press , Rishikesh and he has given an Esoteric significance of this work . He says that if the entire works of Sanit Arunagiri Nathar are considered as Arunagiri Veda then Kandar Anubhuti would form the Anubhuti Upnaishad and the 51 verses of the Kandar Anubhuti are like 51 Upanishadic Mantras - so concise , so pithy and so brevity filled ,with many secret cluses to higher meditation and experience .

BTW Today i.e Sat 6 October 2012 being Shasti Tithi ,I am happy to have opened this topic on Kandar Anubhti / Saint ArunaGiri Nathar . Pranams to Lord Subramanya . Pranams to Bhagwan Ramana who was Lord Subramanya in Human form .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 06, 2012, 01:47:06 PM »
Correction .The talk is at 18:00 hrs today.I understand that it is a continuation on 'Guru Kripa vilAsam' from where left off yesterday.I am given to understand that he spoke about how Sri Abhinava Vidya Tirtha swamiji received upadesa in dream  from Sri Chandrasekara Bharati swamiji.
The CDs generally will be available whenever he gives his talks at Narada gana sabha.I will find out and revert on this.

Thanks Ravi .I have read almost all publications of Sringeri with regard to Sri Chandareskara Bharati Swamiji and I highly respect him and my latest quote in Shankaracharya Thread is also from him yesterday from the book Golden Words of H.H.Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati and I consider it a good coincidence that Sri Nochurji also started speaking about him from yesterday .

Forum advice, news & etiquette / Re: Tolerance
« on: October 06, 2012, 01:38:04 PM »
Ravi , Nagaraj

I am not contradicting both of you .
I just want to bring back the focus to what Graham started this forum for . No doubt he has given lot of flexibility for us and we must respect that and not dilute that freedom in any way . We are enjoying today sharing in this forum because of his efforts .
So let us keep that basic spirit and Go ahead with our discussions as usual .
Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 06, 2012, 01:32:48 PM »
For those of you in Chennai,Sri Nochur Venkatraman  is giving talks at Sudharma,near woodland Hotel on Radha Krishnan sAlai ,at 18:30 hrs (06/10/12).The Shankaracharya of Sringeri peetam is camping there and perhaps may grace this occasion.
For your information,Sri Nochur had given a 3 day  talk on Akshara MaNa mAlai(wonderful),continuing from where he left off last year in Astika samAjam,alwarpet .He had also given a seven day talk on the upanishads and the Gita at Hema MAlini kalyAna mandapam recently.All these will be brought out in CD format.


Thanks for the info . Do u know where we can get Sri .Nochur's talk on Akshara Mana Malai on CD ?I got his Ulladhu Naarpadu from Ramana Ashram few years back .
BTW is he giving a talk on Srimad Bhagavatham today at Sudharma ?