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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: October 28, 2012, 08:56:48 AM »
The Shastras say that the merit of charity is reduced once you publicise the charity you have performed. Never publicise your charity. - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 28, 2012, 07:45:27 AM »
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conventional Advaita teachers generally dont teach YV and AG because they teach to a gathering. These texts are best taught to students on individual basis. E

Ok Tushnim , Got it i.e the difference between Gathering and Individual  .Thanks for ur reply .

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General topics / Re: Watching thoughts and its benefits
« on: October 28, 2012, 07:41:26 AM »
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Observing thoughts is a very good and useful sadhana.

In Buddhism they practice this in the form of a technique called "Vipassana" , so is Vipassana also useful technique ?

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General Discussion / Re: 12 tirumurais
« on: October 27, 2012, 08:51:14 PM »
Thanks for the link Nagaraj . A wonderful treasure indeed .

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 27, 2012, 02:33:15 PM »
Dear Ravi ji,
      :) Whats so secretive about Ashtavakra Gita / Yoga Vasishta ?
They contain the essence of Vedantic teaching. Ramana taught even
Ribhu Gita and suggested that people should listen to it.

I have not come across a single situation where Ramana forbade anyone
from studying Ribhu Gita/YV/AG.

As for Sri Ramakrishna, we may have to carefully see why he did it?
There is no way to know.

Tushnim

I am also surprised by the same . Even among Conventional Advaita Teachers ,I hardly find anyone talking about these texts and they confine only to BG , the 10 Classical Upanishads and some Texts of Adi Shankara like Viveka Choodmani , and other minor texts but AG,YV ,RG etc are never talked about or studied in depth . Is it because these texts focus directly on 'I" instead of discussing all 3 i.e Jiva ,Jagat ,Ishwara etc .I am saying this because in one of the talks of Swami Paramarthananda ( I think on his talk on Bhagwan Ramana's  Sat Darshanam ) he said the difference between Bhagwan Ramana's Texts and other regular Advaitic Texts is that Bhagwan focus only on the "I" aspect and does not talk much about Jagat or Ishwara like Other Vedantic Texts . No wonder Bhagwan recommends people to read AG,YV,UG but does not talk about reading Bhagavad Gita , Upanishads etc . This is just my guess . What is your opinion on the same since you have read well the Classical Adviata Texts .
Note : AG - Ashtavakara Gita , RG- Ribhu Gita , YV- Yoga Vashishta

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The clan of Swami Nityanandas are increasing.

There is a saying ,as the King so the subjects or otherway as the subjects so is the King . We get only what we deserve . Recently a relative of mine was complaining about the increase in Pseudo Gurus all over and I told him that Pseudo Gurus thrive  because there is a market ready for them  in the form of brainless devotees who expect quick fix solutions to all their problems . We have instant food , instant coffee , instant ATM machine ,instant messaging etc and so also we want a Guru who gives us instant Moksha . "
Lord Krishna ,talks of 4 types of Devotees in Bhagwad Gita
(Bhagwat Gita: Chapter 7 verse 16)
Sri Krishna said: O Arjuna, four kinds of pious men begin to render devotional service unto Me—the distressed, the inquisitive, the desirer of wealth, and the one who is searching for knowledge of the Absolute."

The distressed and desirer of wealth are in Majority and the inquisitive and searching for knowledge of absolute are in Minority and you know now why Pseudo Gurus are mushrooming a lot .They focus on the Majority as that is where the Market is .

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 27, 2012, 09:46:13 AM »
Some info on V Subramanya Iyer and his connections with the Ramakrishna Mission

http://www.srkmys.org/earlydays.html
In 1932 the Maharaja of Mysore made a grant to start a Vedanta college for the mission Swamijis, to be conducted primarily by Sri V Subrahmanya Iyer, retired register of the Mysore University and tutor to the Maharaja. The arrangement was that groups of five or six Swamijis would study Vedantic scriptures one after months. And for this a new building was built with the help of the Maharaja. Sri Subramanya Iyer was a good Scholar, knew Sanskrit well,and was well trained in scientific thought and Western Philosophy.

He was also endowed with a critical mind. Hearings of Sri Iyer's scholarship Swami Nikhilanandaji was the first to come to Mysore. He spent almost a year with Sri Iyer discussing Vedanta as a scientific philosophy Nikhilanandaji later became the head of the Ramakrishna-Vivekananda Center in New--York, where he edited and published the Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna in English. Then came Swami Madhavanandaji, who later became the General Secretary and then the president of the order. He was then translating Shankara's commentary on the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. He used to discuss it with Sri Subramanya Iyer. These were the earliest people who came informally to study Vedanta. But from 1932 on wards,Belur math started sending to Mysore three or four sadhus every year, to study under Sri Subramanya Iyer. Among those who came in the first batch was Swami Bhuteshanandaji, the previous President of the Ramakrishna Math and Mission, who passed away just a year and a half back; and swami Vimuktanandaji, Whose Pre monastic name was Upen Maharaj and who was then in charge of the college at Belur Math. The classes used to be held in the library. In the meantime, a lawyer friend by name Rangachar donated his house situated near the Ashrama in Vontikoppal itself.

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 27, 2012, 09:30:05 AM »
Another link with regard to Ashtavakara Gita and Sri Rama Krishna Paramahamsa


From
Commentaries of Rajasevasakta V. Subrahmanya Iyer Vol-1
From the posthumous collections of Paul Brunton
Edited by Mark Scorelle, 1999

Page 204


RAMAKRISHNA practiced meditation with yogis, and he said that all these were progressive
steps and did not condemn them. Yet with Vivekananda he taught that religion and yoga were
not the end, for they can never directly lead to Brahma-gnana.
Teachings other than Vedanta are for beginners only. There are stages in comprehending truth.
Hence Sri Ramakrishna taught Vedanta--the highest truth--only to Vivekananda. All his other
disciples were taught Yoga, mysticism or theology. He kept a Vedanta treatise (Ashtavakra Gita)
hidden under his pillow when others came to talk, but when he was alone with Vivekananda he
brought the book out and taught him from it.


Note all the above book plus other books of V Subramanya Iyer are available for free download as ebooks from the following site :
http://wisdomsgoldenrod.org/publications/

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 27, 2012, 09:20:30 AM »
Since Yoga Vasishtha and Ashtavakara Gita are being mentioned here ,I am sharing a small info about the same from Swami Krishnananda , Divine Life Society
http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/foundations/foun_5a.html

Even a book like Yoga Vasishtha, which comes under the Agama section, was kept secretively by Swami Sivanandaji Maharaj. He would not allow that book to be in the library. There was an abridged edition called the Laghu Yoga Vasishtha, translated into English by Narayanaswamy Iyengar, which Gurudev read many times and underlined sentences in red pencil, but he removed the book from the library saying that it is not to be read by everyone.

The Ashtavakra Gita was a favourite text of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, but if anybody came near, he would thrust it under the bed so that people may not know that it was there. The Ashtavakra Gita, Avadhuta Gita, Yoga Vasishtha and Tripurarahasya are all Agama Sastras because they tell us something which nobody will tell us and nobody is expected to tell us.

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General Discussion / Re: pure karma kandin some observations.
« on: October 26, 2012, 10:23:24 PM »
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These are said by the shAstrAs laid down since time immemorial. Infact, AchrayAs say they themselves do not have any right is changing the shAstrAs. The Dharma remains the same all through. Nobody can change just because of change of time and lifestyle.

In Bhagawan's Brilliant Selection of 42 essential verses of the Bhagawad Gita "Essence of the Gita ", while almost all the verses deal with "I" , I found one verse strange  that Bhagwan had introduced and that Verse was the last verse of Ch-16 i.e this verse is a response from Krishna for Arjuna's question as how one should Conduct one's life and this is what Lord Krishna answers :
Verse 24 Ch-16
Therefore ,sastra is the means of knowledge for you  (Arjuna) , in the determination of what is to be done and what is not to be done .Knowing what is said by the mandates of the sastra, you are obliged to perform action here ( in this world )

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General Discussion / Re: pure karma kandin some observations.
« on: October 26, 2012, 09:20:37 PM »
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Karma kanda does not suit one these days, excepting sandhya vandanam, chanting some slokas etc.

Most of Acharyas today are happy if people do Sandhya Vandanam twice daily with Gayathri Japa ( thrice better but not possible for most who have to go to work ) . Plus they are happy if people do their monthly Ammavasya rituals , annual Sraddham to their parents, support Vedic Scholars , support one's Kula Deivam Temple wherever possible  . This is the minimum Karma Kanda expected by all Acharyas .

I am right now doing twice Gayathri Japa of 54 times each and do my monthly Ammavasya without fail and also Annual Sradhham for my Father and do my best to support Vedic Dharma, Kula Deivam Temple  in whatever way I can . I am now slowly tuning myself to make  my move from twice Gayathri Japa to Sandhya Vandanam twice daily as Sandhya Vandanam is a perfect combination  of Karma ,Bhakti , Jnanam if done with right understanding and Bhava . I understood the seriousness /importance of Sandhya Vandanam only after listening to the 10 talks on the same by Swami Paramarthananda as well as reading Sringeri Acharya Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati's dialogues on the same and felt such a beautiful sadhana has become a very boring ritual these days and that due to lack of proper education in these matters many have given it up and hence I felt I need to restart it again but as I have already invested my time and energy in other Sadhanas ( like Yoga , Sanskrit and Tamil chanting etc ) , I need to slowly fine tune it to my schedule .It is a simple Sadhana and just need a tumbler of water and 20-30  mts of time morning /evening but merit is very high . It confers immediate relief in form of a calm mind and also confers adrishta pala ( unseen beenfits ) in due course .


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General Discussion / Re: pure karma kandin some observations.
« on: October 26, 2012, 07:18:38 PM »
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Whatever may be,  I am interested to know how your family priest considers these two greatest personalities -- Shirdi Sai and Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi.
Kskat

I have told you that he is a staunch Karma Kandin and they are entitled to their views . He does not put a gun on my head and ask me to follow him . When I ask him an opinion he will give an answer as per shastras only and hence I never discuss with them these things nor seek their opinion about Other Gurus .He has a role in my life and I use him only for that . I have also mentioned in one of my earlier posts that it is futile to keep on verifying about each and every Guru . There are the teachings available to us , we need to do our own sadhana , sharpen our intellect and learn to segregate what is relevant from what is ir-relevant .Forums like these help us in getting certain inputs and we must be glad for the same .
 There will be lots of doubts no doubt but we cant wash away all doubts in a single day and we have to travel our own path through trial and error .So let us not waste time on these things and spend time in Sadhana( Karma , Bhakti , Yoga ,Jnana ) . So let us keep faith in God and do what best is possible for us and for our situation .

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General Discussion / Re: pure karma kandin some observations.
« on: October 26, 2012, 06:45:18 PM »
Kskat

One of the reasons why I use this forum to get Opinion is that many of these things that are discussed here are of no importance to my family Vedic Priest who is a staunch Karma Kandin but is quite well read in his subject .So I use him only to conduct rituals in my family and to consult him on some vedic related rituals that are being performed .I respect him as a Vedic Priest and give him the due respect and never try to argue with him with my half baked knowledge .At the same time my sadhana is my personal journey and I carry on the same with as much sincerity as possible respecting the tradition as much as possible .
BTW if you read the dialogues of Sringeri Acharya Shri Chandrasekhara Bharati Swamigal it will be quite similar to what my Vedic Priest says i.e first doe ur Brahminical duties like Sandhavandanam , Samithadanam/Oupasanam and if u have extra time then do other things but do not sacrifice the daily Nitya Karmas for doing Other things .The same is also Paramachrya of Kanchi's views . There can be exception to these rules but I do not consider myself as an exception to this .

So let us not waste time arguing with others .Let us start doing whatever sadhana is possible and proceed step by step once we get more clarity .
Om Peace .

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General Discussion / Re: Lalitha Sahasranama
« on: October 26, 2012, 03:55:23 PM »
Thanks Subramaniam Sir for ur inputs . Will do accordingly . It has strengthened me more .

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Kskat

Thanks for this post . A wonderful reminder to keep doing one's sadhana .