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General topics / Re: Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 07:34:35 AM »
TGN 's coverage is quite extensive and I am taking a fast Forward approach!We will cover the 30 verses and get a feel of the import.We may then cover anything in a Html type of approach,if need be.This should give us an ability to recite and internalize this wonderful composition.As we do this,the inner meaning and significance and True spirit will take possession of us,and this is what is important.


I suggest u take an approach that is comfortable for you .The meaning of these divine texts can never be assimilated in a short time as they have lot  of depth .So just give a basic outline for  each pasuram and we can slowly build up . I feel every year we will see these pasurams in a new light .So consider this as an ongoing project and not limited to just this Margazhi .

Om Peace .

General topics / Re: Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 07:29:48 AM »
Yes,Nityasree's rendering of Tiruppavai verses is a fine one.The Verses were set to various Ragas by the Late  Sri Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar-and this has now become a defacto standard.All singers follow this meticulously.The Great carnatic Musician smt M L Vasanthakumari's rendering is charming as well.
For those,who wish to hear the words in the verses and at the same time would like to sing it as well,I warmly recommend the rendering of Sikkil Gurucharan & co-A group singing where the words are pronounced as they should be,without drawing long any syllable in the words to suit the music.

It seems Kanchi Paramacharya asked Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar to set the tune for Tiruppavai which has become now a defacto standard .Kanchi Paramacharya was the brain behind the revival of Tiruppavai and Thiruvenpavai chanting during Margazhi season .

I am following Sulamangalam Sisters Tiruppavai and it is quite long i.e each Pasuram is sung for 2 mts with many repetition but is useful for a beginner like me to understand and proceed and it does not have too much Carnatic Music except for the basic tune .I like their clarity of Pronunciation  and for Thiruvampavai I use Dharmapuram Swaminathan who is again very clear in his pronunciation .

Om Peace

I would like to start with this first pointer I found in the Introduction to the text "Essence of Ribhu Gita "
Reading of this English text alone will not be complete unless it is supported by vigorous sadhana with the help of a realised teacher, who has obtained firm abidance in Siva-Self by a life of devotion to Lord Siva. This aspect is stressed in some of the verses selected.

The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Ribhu Gita - Discussions
« on: December 18, 2012, 07:29:56 PM »
Dear Friends

Tushnim has started a thread on Ribhu Gita Readings . This text "Ribhu Gita " being a favorite text of Bhagwan Ramana ,I felt it deserved its own place for discussions and hence started this thread . Tushnim is putting some selected messages in the other thread and I will also add selected passages from the book "The Essence of Ribhu Gita " and I feel we can use this thread for discussions .

Om Peace .

Some points about this audio version of Siva Sahasranama :

1) It has a simple Dhyana Shloka that was selected by Kanchi Paramacharya
2) There is no Phala Shruthi here
3) Most of the words here resemble the words in Vishnu Sahasranama as mostly the attributes of God are nearly the same .
4) It is quite simple to read and finish and it will take only 20 mts to complete it .
5) Listen to the Audio Talk by Swami Shantananda Puri to understand how and why this came about and how Kanchi Paramacharya urged him to bring it out . In the PDF Sanskrit / Hindi Text , there is a good English Introduction of the same and that is also useful .
6) This Siva Sahasranama of Linga Purana is a rare version and very auspicious to be read in every home , more auspicious to be read in a Shiva Temple and even more Auspicious to be read in a Shiva Kshetra like Thiruvanamalai .  I read it daily in my home after doing a small Shiva Puja . In case I could not do it in day time , I do it in evening / night .

Om Peace .


The following details are from the blog of a friend of mine who has kindly permitted to share it here and in fact he was the one who gave me the Siva Sahasranamam Text and Audio to be read and chanted and I am now sharing the same with others here .

Shiva Sahasranama of Linga Purana - Talk and chanting by Swami Shantananda Puri

This is a wonderful Shiva Sahasranama that has been recommended by His Holiness Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi Mahaswamigal (1894-1994) of Kanchi Mutt.

For the Sanskrit text please download from the below weblink:
Note : The above has Sasnkrit Text with word by word meaning in Hindi but the introduction is in English and one can understand the importance of this text and how much trouble Swami Shantananda Puri had in getting the original Linga Purana version of Shiva Sahasranamam .

For tamil text please download from my Dropbox link below.
For the audio talk in Tamil and chanting of Shiva Sahasranamam by Swami Shantananda Puri, please do the following:
a. Copy paste the links below one after another to your browser
Track 1 of audio is the talk by Swami Shantananda Puri in Tamil  –
Track 2 of audio is the chanting by Swamiji –
The audio will start playing. Right click anywhere on the screen and click “Save As” and download each of the below files.
Note : The Audio is not of studio quality as it was recorded with a simple recording device and hence it has some slight disturbance but overall better .

Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 10:11:25 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
       Ribhu Gita chapters of sanskrit and tamil are slightly different. The chapters in tamil seem to have jumbled up some verses !

I suggested those chapters coz I find them most useful. Ramana suggested chapter 26 of tamil. Subramanaian ji was saying it could be 29 of sanskrit version. I feel 25 could also be a possible candidate.

The chapters i picked are exceptional in my view.

Thanks Tushnim , will do and and will note the difference in tamil / sanskrit versions while chanting .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:56:56 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,

Right now doing Siva Sahasranama , Aksharamana Mala , Thiruppavai  Chanting . Last month a friend of mine sent me a surprise Gift of Ribhu Gita book ( he had already given me the Audio CD of the same from Ramana Ashram ) .I will  get the Tamil version soon and chant  both sanskrit and tamil and see if I still have attachment to my shirt first and then the body 

If you chant regularly for a few days ... the attachment for shirt will vanish and then the body is seen as nothing more than a shirt :D LOL! Dont worry ... try it.
Aksharamanimalai is exceptional ...
But try with Ribhu Gita and then tell me.
Its Pure Samadhi.
Chant sanskrit lessons : 9,10,11,12,13,25 ... just these.
each chapter is a prakarana with a specific purpose.

Sure will do , but any specific reasons why those chapters listed by you .? I guess Bhagwan Ramana also pointed some Chapters are those the same as pointed by you ?

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:43:23 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
         :) do you listen to ribhu gita ? Listen to it for a few days in the morning ... meditate on one chapter each day starting from chapter 6 or so ... and then tell me if it is difficult.
Right now doing Siva Sahasranama , Aksharamana Mala , Thiruppavai  Chanting . Last month a friend of mine sent me a surprise Gift of Ribhu Gita book ( he had already given me the Audio CD of the same from Ramana Ashram ) .I will  get the Tamil version soon and chant  both sanskrit and tamil and see if I still have attachment to my shirt first and then the body  :)

By the way the Shirt example was a real one when I visited Rishikesh last year with my brother , while changing flights at Delhi Airport ,we had a coffee and the coffee got spilled over a wonderful branded shirt of mine and I was deeply Upset over the stain  :) then my brother left over my laptop bag in the flight under the seat ( and we had already reached the other airport and about to borad the next flight to Dehradun ) and I was shocked but happy that the laptop was in his cabin luggage and only the bag got lost   :). I was very angry and upset but calmed myself thinking might be this is God way of testing how far I remain centered with these minor irritants . Luckily I did not allow the anger to get over me and passed that small test  :) But still have a long way to go  :)

Will try Ribhu Gita and let you know  :)

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:30:02 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
        :) Sorry for misinterpreting your statement, if i did so.

If one is attached to body, then here is a clear instruction by Ribhu Gita:

aham brahmasmi aham mantraha sarva-tantram vinashayet
aham brahmasmi aham mantrah deha dosham vinashayet |

I am Brahman, Brahman Am i .. this mahtra destroys all rituals.
I am Brahman, Brahman am I, this mantra destroys the mistaken identity on the body.

Annamalai Swami did support this statement in his teachings.
Sri Ramakrishna also did , may be he was not as eloquent in this teaching.
I stand with the Ribhu Gita, Ashtavakra Gita style... Ribhu Gita also propounds that
the easiest way to revert to Self is to see that the world is a mirage and I am the Self.

There is really no other way dear atmavichar. Only

Forget attachment to body . Even if coffee spills over on our best shirt / t shirt we remain upset for many days until the stain is removed  :) First we need to get away with these outer attachments ( my shirt , my computer , my IPOD  , my house , my car etc   :) and then come to body , mind ,emotions  :)
At least I am still in that level  :)
I do not dispute the statements of Sri Ramakrishna , Ramana , Annamalai Swamy , Ribhu Gita etc only pointing out the day to day challenge of living that way .Not impossible but highly difficult and if at all we admire Ramana it was due to his living such a life all throughout inspite of going through lot of hardships .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:14:41 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
"It is not enough to 'think' that one is not body"
:) Use Reasoning also. Then it would be enough. See my above post.


I never made the above  highlighted statement .

I was only commenting on the following statement of Sri Ramakrishna
The path of knowledge is very difficult .One cannot obtain Knowledge unless one gets rid of the feeling that one is the body

I said that  it is quite a challenge to live like that in day to day life and we admire Bhagwan Ramana because he lived like that .
I would like to add further here that the above Highlighted statement of Sri Ramakrishna is similar to what Annamalai Swamy said i.e greatest sin is identifying with the body and that leads to all other sins .
So I feel we know this in theory but as we are highly conditioned by our attachment to our body and mind , it is quite a challenge to overcome this attachment . Might be we can do this when things are favorable to us but not when things go against us like when we have severe body pain , illness ,sickness etc .

Once Bhagavan Ramana, while He was on the Hills, when He was
called Brahmana Swami, wanted to fast and become a Pranava body.
He was going into the jungle, Vasudeva Sastri, who was a young boy,
studying in Veda Patasala came to Him running and send: "You have
come all alone, let us return to Virupaksha Cave."  Bhagavan Ramana
said: "I shall spend two days in the jungle and come back, you go."
Vasudeva Sastri started weeping.  However, Bhagavan Ramana pacified
him and walked further.  Suddenly, Satthappaswami, Head of Esanya
Math, came in a cart and on seeing Bhagavan took Him to his Math
for feeding!

There were two more such occasions, when Bhagavan wanted to
become a Pranava body.  On the second occasion, He wanted to
avoid Jadaswami who was giving troubles to Him and proceed.
But this time, Yogananda Swami frustrated the attempt!

Thirdly, afer Mother Azhagamma's Samadhi, Bhagavan Ramana wanted
to leave Skandasramam for ever and disintegrate.  But it so happened,
a new Asram was created at the foot hills and He had to remain upto

After reading this, one can wonder, why then Bhagavan Ramana did
not want to disintegrate into Pranava body, particularly at the time
of the terminal cancer.  In my view, He wanted to leave the body
in 'death', and on His samadhi,  a temple would be constructed to make the people understand the power of His presence.

Arunachala Siva.

Subramaniam Sir
Back to an old post of yours .
Are you referring here to the disappearance of the body like it happened for Saint Rama Linga Swamigal /Vallalar ?

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 17, 2012, 09:57:23 PM »
Further, you see, people speak of the waves as belonging to the
Ganges; but no one says that the Ganges belongs to the waves. The feeling, 'I am He', is not wholesome


In fact the doubt about the Wave/Ocean that I mentioned came when me and my friend were sitting on the Banks of the River Ganges in Rishikesh 2 years back .Seeing the full flow of Ganges we started to discuss no doubt every wave on this Ganges can identity itself with the  full Ganges and say it is also Ganges but what about the strength and energy of Ganges in its totality ,which wave can compare itself to that aspect of Ganges .

Om Peace

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 17, 2012, 09:53:29 PM »
The path of knowledge is very difficult. One cannot obtain Knowledge unless one gets rid of the feeling that one is the body(It is not enough to 'think' that one is not body-ravi).

That is the key . One can have a superficial/theoretical  idea that one is not the body / mind but to live that way is quite a challenge .If we admire Bhagwan Ramana it is because he lived that way .

General topics / Re: the myth of jivan muktha
« on: December 17, 2012, 01:42:04 PM »
the myth of jivan muktha


My take is that discussing things like state of a Jnani /Jivan Muktha , fate of a Jnani /Jivan Muktha , past life , after life etc etc will never bring in any consensus as there is always varied opinions on the same .

You yourself have provided answer for this
It is a mystery.  We can never solve it.

That is why Bhagavan Raman never spoke of any other person's state -- he knew for sure, we will likely misunderstand the whole thing.

In the past I was also digging in to the lives of various saints ,checking who was enlightened , who was not , is there a degree in the levels of enlightenment or not etc etc and later found that digging in to these questions were not helping me in anyway and after reading "Living by the words of Bhagwan" stopped probing in to these sort of things as Bhagwan says time and again points out  "Mind your business and attend to what you came for Primarily " .Moreover  I feel "Existence" is too large and complex for any taking any concrete and standard ,fixed idea about how things must be .

Om Peace

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