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General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:50:51 AM »
Very much true, with small comments:
1. Dont want for "Sadhana Chatushtayam". From my experience, I improved in them as I kept hearing guru ji. Start with Sravana. 3 takes care of any lapses in 1.
2. in (3) , you have made a typo : Not identifying with the non binding vasanas" , its not identifying with binding vasanas.

You are absolutely correct. And I stress the importance of Sravanam here which enables the others.
Annamalai Swami's talks are no less  that an upanishad for that matter.

Ok Made the change in Vasanas in my previous post .

As regards "Sravanam" ,I feel it is a big art in itself .The Art of Listening is the biggest of all arts and most difficult to practice .
In J.Krishnamurti's complete works of 17 Volumes  the first volume is titled  " The Art of Listening " .I also posted here few days back a quote "When you know how to listen ,Everybody is the Guru" .

So I agree Sravanam is very important but how competent one is in that is the big question .
I have bought 2 books  called " The Lost Art of Listening " by Micahel P Nicholas , Practicing the Sacred Art of Listening by Kay Lindhal . After reading through them only I understood how much poor we are when it comes to listening and we confuse hearing to listening .
Will share more about it later .

Om Peace

General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:20:06 AM »

SADHANA is not to attain or Realize Self.
Having known that Self is the Awarness ... Screen on which all this is going on...
Remain unidentified with the non-self.
As Annamalai Swami Explains here :

POST 16:

pg 271-2, Living by the words of bhagavan

      Continuous inhalation and exhalation are necessary for continuation of life. Continuous meditation is necessary for all those who want to stay in the Self.
You divide your life up into different activities: "I am eating", "I am meditating", "I am working", etc. If you have ideas like these you are still identifiying with the body. Get rid of all these ideas and replace them with the single thought , "I am Self", Hold onto that idea and dont let it go. Dont give these "I am the body" ideas any attention.
"I must eat now", "I will go to sleep now", "I will have a bath now", all thoughts like these  are I am the body thoughts. Learn to recognize them when they arise and learn to ignore them or deny them. Stay firmly seated in the Self and dont allow the mind to identify with anything that the body does.

Ok then if I need to sum up the entire spiritual journey it  is :
1) First Prepare for receiving the self knowledge through "Sadhana Chatushtaya"
2) Then receive Self Knowledge from a Guru ( through Sravanam , Mananam )
3) After receiving the Self knowledge internalize the knowledge through Niddhidayasanam which we use the term Sadhana for "Not identifying with the  binding vasanas"

So in essence there is Sadhana before Self Knowledge and Sadhana after self knowledge and for receiving the self knowledge one just needs to listen /study the scriptures under a Guru

General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:01:28 AM »
People think i am saying sadhana is not required. While every now and then i also say sadhana is a must ... they see that i am self contradictory. The point is sadhana is for what ? its not to attain or realize Self. its to not identify with the vasanas that I am non-Self. Thats all.

You mean Sadhana is for "not identifying with the bonding vasanas"  .Have I understood rightly?

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Light Post
« on: December 22, 2012, 08:15:55 AM »

Sri Bhagavan gives this equation:

"i'-'i"=karma=Bhakti=Yoga=Jnana (upadesa undhiyar verse 10)

Sure Ravi

Bhagawan hits the bulls eye directly .

Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Light Post
« on: December 22, 2012, 07:52:55 AM »
cguru ji, what is bhakti, what is jnana ? plz enlighten me on this sir. This friend, Nagaraj is asking complex questions on this ... so if you can tell me , ill tell him and save myself :D

I do not know what CGURU's  explanation of the same but Sharing Swami Paramarthananda's definition of Bhakti Yoga as a simple equation  :)

Karma Yoga + Jnāna Yoga = Bhakthi Yoga.

General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: December 22, 2012, 07:43:47 AM »
Ok This is what the complete saying I found on the  net .

"The sandhya merges in the Gayatri, the Gayatri in Om, and Om in samadhi. It is like the sound of a bell: t-a-m. The yogi, by following in the trail of the sound Om, gradually merges himself in the Supreme Brahman."

-- The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna ²

General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: December 22, 2012, 07:41:15 AM »
The sandhya merges in the Gayatri, the Gayatri in Om, and, Om in samadhi.

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna


I just need a Clarification :
I have seen the above quote of Sri Ramakrishna  as "The sandhya merges in the Gayatri, the Gayatri in Om, and, hence Meditate on Om ".

This I saw in one publication explaining the virtues of  Japa "Om" and had quotes from Vedas , Upanishads ,Tirumular as well as Sri Ramakrishna .

Om Peace

General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: December 22, 2012, 07:13:55 AM »
It is good to meditate in the small hours of the morning and at dawn.One should also meditate daily after dusk.

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

The Sansdhya Vandana and Gayatri Japa was prescribed primarily for this purpose .

General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:39:45 PM »
I was talking of mind fit for Self-Knowledge and the following quote of Swami Paramarthananda on one of his talks of  Sri Dakshinamurti Stotram will make it more clear .

The indication of a purified mind is radical reduction of likes and dislikes, expectation from the people and the world.A non-complaining and prepared mind can understand Vedanta.

Om Peace .

Dear Atmavichar,
         :) Thank you. Let me try and see if I can do some justice to this. I do not know any Tamil, so if someone (Yourself ? Subramanian or Ravi ji ?) could offer to provide the corresponding Tamil explanation [Exact Translation]. I can start with the Sanskrit work as taught by Kavyakantha Ganapathi Muni ji.

Its one of the best vedantic texts I have seen.

Let us not confuse Tamil and Saskrit here . First start with your Sanskrit version and let others share their inputs . In Mountain Path every  issue  there is a verse of Ulladhu Naarpadu being explained by one S.Ram Mohan based on  Lakshmana Sarma's Commentary . I have to go back to the previous issues to start from the beginning .
So anyway you set the ball rolling and let others join in .
Om Peace .

Lets study this text verse by verse.


I have opened an old thread started by you .
I suggest you restart this project . You have started a thread where Sat Darshanam difference is being discussed . There seems to be a slight difference in the Tamil/Sanskrit Versions of the same .
Since you are comfortable with the Sanskrit version , kindly start your explanation for the Sanskrit version verse by verse and we can join the same .

Om Peace

General Discussion / Re: Has anyone gone to Tiruvannamalai recently?
« on: December 21, 2012, 07:29:01 PM »
Subramaniam Sir and others ,

Those who are interested in visiting Thiruvanamali can try this new Hotel .
As regards Power cut , a relative of mine told there is frequent power cuts and we even had Graham writing a post about the same . Might be hotels will have power back up .

Ramana Towers,
10/J/1 Chengam Road ,
4th Street,
Opp. to Ramanashramam,
Thiruvannamalai - 606 603.
Tamil Nadu - SOUTH INDIA.

Ph.         : 04175-235550,235437

Mobile   :  94421 00656
  Email ID :

Note :
1) It is on the expensive side ( Luxury Double Room A/C   Rs. 1750 /- per day + Taxes )
2) There is no facility for having food here but you can always eat in the Canteen in Seshadri Swamigal Ashram
3) The only plus point is it is Opposite to Ramana Ashram and so you can spend more time in Ramana Ashram if you are staying there .
4) Few years back when I visited Ramana Ashram with my friend , we were given a room in a new construction in the same area as this hotel is and I do not know whether it has now been sort of converted to a Paid Guest House / Hotel .It was very decent and clean i.e I do not know whether the place where we stayed is now this new Hotel .In my next visit I may find it .

Om Peace .

I have opened a separate thread for sat-darshanm differences, pls post there.
ill remove some of my posts from here and request you all to repost there if there is anything to discuss.
nagaraj and raviji i have answered in that thread.

Thanks everyone.

Good . Will join there .
Om Peace .

I am leaving this thread here as Anil ji does not want me to write here !

Please let me know if you want me to delete my messages from here as well.


I suggest that you open a separate thread "Self Enquiry as taught by Sri Bhagwan - My Interpretations / My Musings " and share  what you feel like sharing  quoting Bhagwan's Works ( Upadesa Saram , Ulladhu Naarpadu etc ) and supplementing it with  Annamalai Swamy Teachings  , Adi Shankara , Upanishads , Ribhu Gita , Bhagwad Gita etc  and let those who are interested in getting their doubts cleared / clarified pose questions on the same and have the doubts cleared .  This way you give space to others to be what they want and yet your have your own space in this forum .
By the way no need to delete any of your already posted messages .Let it be as they are . But create your own thread and start writing what you feel is the correct interpretation of Bhagwan's Teachings and where are people making mistakes in understanding him . This will help a lot of people currently in the forum as well as those who join new .
Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 21, 2012, 01:27:05 PM »
please ponder. why is the mind sick ? due to wrong ideas and understanding.

Even to ponder one needs a fit mind first  :)

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