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1966
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 23, 2012, 08:19:51 AM »
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I am using the word Dynamic in order to distinguish it from 'the idle passivity' that is mistaken for surrender.

Dear Ravi

The biggest mistake many people in spiritual circles make is to take their idle passivity as surrender .

1967
General Discussion / Re: Srinivasa Ramanujan
« on: December 22, 2012, 10:01:23 PM »
An equation for me has no meaning, unless it represents a thought of God.
- Srinivasa Ramanujan

1968
General Discussion / Re: Srinivasa Ramanujan
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:58:23 PM »
On December 22, 2012, Google India celebrates the 125th Birthday of Srinivasa Ramanujan with a Doodle.It also marks the National Mathematics Day.


For more details refer this link :

http://rtoz.org/2012/12/22/srinivasa-ramanujans-125th-birthday-google-doodle/

1969
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 11:29:08 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
     :) Sravanam should be helping you there as well.
Just keep hearing from Parmarthananda ji.
While you listen: Have the Attitude that he is Ramana teaching you.
Hear with such an attitude.
To parmarthananda ji's teachings ...
and see what happens.

this is my suggestion. It works for most of our friends here.
But not many can hear Parmarthananda ji with the attitude that
Ramana himself is teaching.

Vedanta is a pramana ... means of knowledge. When you expose yourself
to it from a proper person who knows how to apply it ... you see the
difference.

This is my suggestion ... I have no Pramana to convince you, than to tell you
to verify it yourself. Listen to entire BG with that attitude and see yourself.

Like even ... Eyes see ... how do i convince you ... open the eyes and see.
thats all.
Sure Tushnim ,after a long gap ,I have restarted to listen to Swami Paramarthananda's talks and I enjoy it very much .
Well I do not want to bring Ramana while listening to him  :)
Bhagwan Ramana has his own flavor while conveying his answers to people's doubts and Swami Paramarthananda has his own flavor of conveying "Self Knowledge"  and Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ,  Swami Sivananda , Kanchi Paramacharya , Sringeri Acharya ,etc have their own way of conveying the truth .
As I said in one of my earlier post : Sanathana Dharma is rich with these wide variety of Great men and their teachings and I enjoy everyone of them .
But personally  among Living persons I resonate more with Swami Paramarthananda and more than that I have personal access to him to clear any doubts with regard to Advaita Vedanta and other matters connected to Sanathana Dharma .
Om Peace .

1970
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 10:21:51 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
     :)

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Ok then if I need to sum up the entire spiritual journey it  is :
1) First Prepare for receiving the self knowledge through "Sadhana Chatushtaya"
2) Then receive Self Knowledge from a Guru ( through Sravanam , Mananam )
3) After receiving the Self knowledge internalize the knowledge through Niddhidayasanam which we use the term Sadhana for "Not identifying with the non binding vasanas"



Very much true, with small comments:
1. Dont want for "Sadhana Chatushtayam". From my experience, I improved in them as I kept hearing guru ji. Start with Sravana. 3 takes care of any lapses in 1.
2. in (3) , you have made a typo : Not identifying with the non binding vasanas" , its not identifying with binding vasanas.

You are absolutely correct. And I stress the importance of Sravanam here which enables the others.
Annamalai Swami's talks are no less  that an upanishad for that matter.

For me though I  have given up lot of external activities ,still I feel I am not yet prepared for the "direct way to direct Path " and use the traditional methodology for self knowledge .As I said interest is one thing , commitment is another .While I do have interest in Jnana Marga , my samskaras are more in Yoga marga and it will have to be followed till it takes a natural shift to Jnana Marga .
Anyway thanks for your inputs .
Om Peace .

1971
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 10:02:03 AM »
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If I listen to Osho or JK ... I will be left searching in loops.
jk confuses people a lot ... unnecessarily, in my opinion.

 :)

1972
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:50:51 AM »
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Very much true, with small comments:
1. Dont want for "Sadhana Chatushtayam". From my experience, I improved in them as I kept hearing guru ji. Start with Sravana. 3 takes care of any lapses in 1.
2. in (3) , you have made a typo : Not identifying with the non binding vasanas" , its not identifying with binding vasanas.

You are absolutely correct. And I stress the importance of Sravanam here which enables the others.
Annamalai Swami's talks are no less  that an upanishad for that matter.

Ok Made the change in Vasanas in my previous post .

As regards "Sravanam" ,I feel it is a big art in itself .The Art of Listening is the biggest of all arts and most difficult to practice .
In J.Krishnamurti's complete works of 17 Volumes  the first volume is titled  " The Art of Listening " .I also posted here few days back a quote "When you know how to listen ,Everybody is the Guru" .

So I agree Sravanam is very important but how competent one is in that is the big question .
I have bought 2 books  called " The Lost Art of Listening " by Micahel P Nicholas , Practicing the Sacred Art of Listening by Kay Lindhal . After reading through them only I understood how much poor we are when it comes to listening and we confuse hearing to listening .
Will share more about it later .

Om Peace

1973
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:20:06 AM »
EXACTLY.

SADHANA is not to attain or Realize Self.
Having known that Self is the Awarness ... Screen on which all this is going on...
Remain unidentified with the non-self.
As Annamalai Swami Explains here :

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POST 16:

pg 271-2, Living by the words of bhagavan


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      Continuous inhalation and exhalation are necessary for continuation of life. Continuous meditation is necessary for all those who want to stay in the Self.
You divide your life up into different activities: "I am eating", "I am meditating", "I am working", etc. If you have ideas like these you are still identifiying with the body. Get rid of all these ideas and replace them with the single thought , "I am Self", Hold onto that idea and dont let it go. Dont give these "I am the body" ideas any attention.
"I must eat now", "I will go to sleep now", "I will have a bath now", all thoughts like these  are I am the body thoughts. Learn to recognize them when they arise and learn to ignore them or deny them. Stay firmly seated in the Self and dont allow the mind to identify with anything that the body does.

Ok then if I need to sum up the entire spiritual journey it  is :
1) First Prepare for receiving the self knowledge through "Sadhana Chatushtaya"
2) Then receive Self Knowledge from a Guru ( through Sravanam , Mananam )
3) After receiving the Self knowledge internalize the knowledge through Niddhidayasanam which we use the term Sadhana for "Not identifying with the  binding vasanas"

So in essence there is Sadhana before Self Knowledge and Sadhana after self knowledge and for receiving the self knowledge one just needs to listen /study the scriptures under a Guru

1974
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:01:28 AM »
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People think i am saying sadhana is not required. While every now and then i also say sadhana is a must ... they see that i am self contradictory. The point is sadhana is for what ? its not to attain or realize Self. its to not identify with the vasanas that I am non-Self. Thats all.

You mean Sadhana is for "not identifying with the bonding vasanas"  .Have I understood rightly?

1975
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Light Post
« on: December 22, 2012, 08:15:55 AM »
Atmavichar/Friends,

Sri Bhagavan gives this equation:

"i'-'i"=karma=Bhakti=Yoga=Jnana (upadesa undhiyar verse 10)

Sure Ravi

Bhagawan hits the bulls eye directly .

1976
Translations and Commentaries by Forum Members / Re: Light Post
« on: December 22, 2012, 07:52:55 AM »
cguru ji, what is bhakti, what is jnana ? plz enlighten me on this sir. This friend, Nagaraj is asking complex questions on this ... so if you can tell me , ill tell him and save myself :D

I do not know what CGURU's  explanation of the same but Sharing Swami Paramarthananda's definition of Bhakti Yoga as a simple equation  :)

Karma Yoga + Jnāna Yoga = Bhakthi Yoga.

1977
General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: December 22, 2012, 07:43:47 AM »
Ok This is what the complete saying I found on the  net .

"The sandhya merges in the Gayatri, the Gayatri in Om, and Om in samadhi. It is like the sound of a bell: t-a-m. The yogi, by following in the trail of the sound Om, gradually merges himself in the Supreme Brahman."

-- The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna ²

1978
General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: December 22, 2012, 07:41:15 AM »
The sandhya merges in the Gayatri, the Gayatri in Om, and, Om in samadhi.

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

Ravi

I just need a Clarification :
I have seen the above quote of Sri Ramakrishna  as "The sandhya merges in the Gayatri, the Gayatri in Om, and, hence Meditate on Om ".

This I saw in one publication explaining the virtues of  Japa "Om" and had quotes from Vedas , Upanishads ,Tirumular as well as Sri Ramakrishna .

Om Peace

1979
General Discussion / Re: Teachings of Sri Ramakrishna
« on: December 22, 2012, 07:13:55 AM »
It is good to meditate in the small hours of the morning and at dawn.One should also meditate daily after dusk.

The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna

The Sansdhya Vandana and Gayatri Japa was prescribed primarily for this purpose .

1980
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:39:45 PM »
I was talking of mind fit for Self-Knowledge and the following quote of Swami Paramarthananda on one of his talks of  Sri Dakshinamurti Stotram will make it more clear .

The indication of a purified mind is radical reduction of likes and dislikes, expectation from the people and the world.A non-complaining and prepared mind can understand Vedanta.

Om Peace .

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