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1951
I am just copy pasting from the other thread to carry discussions here .
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By the way for me Chanting of Sahasranama's of Shiva /Vishnu / Lalitha Devi/Ganga Ma etc are not just to develop Bhakti but also to help me learn Sanskrit , develop more one pointedness of mind as you must be completely focused while chanting without diversion . As I have considerably reduced my visits to Temples and Religious places ,I invoke God in my home itself through these divine names as well as Chanting Stotras of the same composed by Adishankara ( for Sanskrit hymns ) and by  Bhgwan Ramana and other Tamil Saints for Tamil Hymns .
Also I have taken a stand that I will read /study a text seriously only after I commit to memory  the entire text or at least some chapters of the same .I failed to do that in the past and was studying the meaning in bits and pieces and got confused  :)  I am right now doing the same for Bhagwan's Hymns , Thiruppavai and also for Adi Shankara's Stotras and the same applies to Bigger texts like Bhagwad Gita /Upanishads /Ribhu Gita etc . This is a form of minimum commitment / seriousness to the subject of Study . Having desire / interest is one thing but having commitment is a different thing and I am making a slow transition  from interest to commitment  and for which I need the support of Ishwara and get his grace and hence this effort of daily chanting of divine text and divine names :)

Om Peace .


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Dear Atmavichar,
       :) Commitment is an absolute must.
There is what is called vyavasayatmika buddhi explained in 2nd chapter of BG :)
These practises are all very useful, not the least doubt abt it.

Regarding Sanskrit. Have you gone through formal sanskrit study ?

1952
General topics / Re: Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 08:24:30 AM »
Krishna(Atmavichar),
The Iyengar traditional way of chanting does not do justice to the Sangath Tamizh Majesty of these verses!This sort of style may suit Venkatesa suprabhatam -a sing song type of rendering and this simply falls flat and misses the wonderful rhyme and rhythm and majesty of of Sangath Tamizh.TGN mentions this aspect that most of the Traditional commentators of Tiruppavai were sanskrit oriented being sanskrit scholars;so much so that vedanta Desika wrote a set of verses in Sanskrit on our Lady AndaL(alias kothai-Andal calls herself as 'PattarbhirAn Kothai';PattarbhirAn is periyalwar) and called it GodA(actually Kothai in tamizh) stuthi!That is another interesting story how Vedanta desika was graced by our AndAL and came to compose 29 verses.He was prompted to write one more by his disciples to make it 30 but he declined saying that he does want to be placed along with Andal!He stopped with 29 verses.
Namaskar.

Ravi

I do agree that Traditional way of Chanting Tamil Verses does not resonate much with the Tamil way of singing but I heard from one person that the reason why they chant this way was do "imitate the way of Vedic Chanting " and to give a feeling to those chanting these Tamil verses that these are also equal to Vedas not only in spirit but also in form and hence the "Temple Way" of Chanting is basically to make it on Par with Vedic Chanting .
In fact he referred to the Vaishnava Procession from Temples when they take God outside on the street , the first to go are these Traditioal Temple Tamil Chanting , followed by Lord Vishnu , followed by Sanskrit Vedic Chants .
The meaning is Lord Vishnu follows where Tamil is and Vedas follow where Vishnu is .

Some object to this forcible way of Chanting Tamil like Vedas but others consider it a part of Tradition and not to be tampered with modern Ragas etc .I am not competent to take position on either sides and leave it to people to take what is best for them .

Regarding Vedanta Desika,I am not aware much .I am a Smartha Brahmin and hence not in much touch with the Vaishnava Sampradaya and whatever inputs I have of the same I get it from other Vaishnava people and reading Mukkur Narasimhachariar's "Kurai Onrun Illai" series as well as watching "Vellukudi Krishnan's Talks on TV "

1953
General topics / Re: Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 07:44:16 AM »
Thiruppavai -full Traditional Chanting
Some may like the Traditional "Goshti" way of Chanting Thiruppvai  that is done in Temple and hence sharing it here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axd8mN9yWTo

1954
General topics / Re: Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 07:34:35 AM »
Friends,
TGN 's coverage is quite extensive and I am taking a fast Forward approach!We will cover the 30 verses and get a feel of the import.We may then cover anything in a Html type of approach,if need be.This should give us an ability to recite and internalize this wonderful composition.As we do this,the inner meaning and significance and True spirit will take possession of us,and this is what is important.
Namaskar.

Ravi

I suggest u take an approach that is comfortable for you .The meaning of these divine texts can never be assimilated in a short time as they have lot  of depth .So just give a basic outline for  each pasuram and we can slowly build up . I feel every year we will see these pasurams in a new light .So consider this as an ongoing project and not limited to just this Margazhi .

Om Peace .

1955
General topics / Re: Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: December 19, 2012, 07:29:48 AM »
Nagaraj,
Yes,Nityasree's rendering of Tiruppavai verses is a fine one.The Verses were set to various Ragas by the Late  Sri Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar-and this has now become a defacto standard.All singers follow this meticulously.The Great carnatic Musician smt M L Vasanthakumari's rendering is charming as well.
For those,who wish to hear the words in the verses and at the same time would like to sing it as well,I warmly recommend the rendering of Sikkil Gurucharan & co-A group singing where the words are pronounced as they should be,without drawing long any syllable in the words to suit the music.
Namaskar

It seems Kanchi Paramacharya asked Ariyakudi Ramanuja Iyengar to set the tune for Tiruppavai which has become now a defacto standard .Kanchi Paramacharya was the brain behind the revival of Tiruppavai and Thiruvenpavai chanting during Margazhi season .

I am following Sulamangalam Sisters Tiruppavai and it is quite long i.e each Pasuram is sung for 2 mts with many repetition but is useful for a beginner like me to understand and proceed and it does not have too much Carnatic Music except for the basic tune .I like their clarity of Pronunciation  and for Thiruvampavai I use Dharmapuram Swaminathan who is again very clear in his pronunciation .

Om Peace

1956
I would like to start with this first pointer I found in the Introduction to the text "Essence of Ribhu Gita "
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Reading of this English text alone will not be complete unless it is supported by vigorous sadhana with the help of a realised teacher, who has obtained firm abidance in Siva-Self by a life of devotion to Lord Siva. This aspect is stressed in some of the verses selected.

1957
The teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi / Ribhu Gita - Discussions
« on: December 18, 2012, 07:29:56 PM »
Dear Friends

Tushnim has started a thread on Ribhu Gita Readings . This text "Ribhu Gita " being a favorite text of Bhagwan Ramana ,I felt it deserved its own place for discussions and hence started this thread . Tushnim is putting some selected messages in the other thread and I will also add selected passages from the book "The Essence of Ribhu Gita " and I feel we can use this thread for discussions .

Om Peace .

1958
Some points about this audio version of Siva Sahasranama :

1) It has a simple Dhyana Shloka that was selected by Kanchi Paramacharya
2) There is no Phala Shruthi here
3) Most of the words here resemble the words in Vishnu Sahasranama as mostly the attributes of God are nearly the same .
4) It is quite simple to read and finish and it will take only 20 mts to complete it .
5) Listen to the Audio Talk by Swami Shantananda Puri to understand how and why this came about and how Kanchi Paramacharya urged him to bring it out . In the PDF Sanskrit / Hindi Text , there is a good English Introduction of the same and that is also useful .
6) This Siva Sahasranama of Linga Purana is a rare version and very auspicious to be read in every home , more auspicious to be read in a Shiva Temple and even more Auspicious to be read in a Shiva Kshetra like Thiruvanamalai .  I read it daily in my home after doing a small Shiva Puja . In case I could not do it in day time , I do it in evening / night .

Om Peace .

1959

The following details are from the blog of a friend of mine who has kindly permitted to share it here and in fact he was the one who gave me the Siva Sahasranamam Text and Audio to be read and chanted and I am now sharing the same with others here .


Shiva Sahasranama of Linga Purana - Talk and chanting by Swami Shantananda Puri
http://shravanam.blogspot.in/2012/07/shiva-sahasranama-of-linga-purana-talk.html

This is a wonderful Shiva Sahasranama that has been recommended by His Holiness Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi Mahaswamigal (1894-1994) of Kanchi Mutt.


For the Sanskrit text please download from the below weblink:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/56215102/Sri-Shiva-Sahasranama
Note : The above has Sasnkrit Text with word by word meaning in Hindi but the introduction is in English and one can understand the importance of this text and how much trouble Swami Shantananda Puri had in getting the original Linga Purana version of Shiva Sahasranamam .

For tamil text please download from my Dropbox link below.
http://db.tt/NKwXlqLQ
For the audio talk in Tamil and chanting of Shiva Sahasranamam by Swami Shantananda Puri, please do the following:
a. Copy paste the links below one after another to your browser
Track 1 of audio is the talk by Swami Shantananda Puri in Tamil  – http://db.tt/omOxLEW
Track 2 of audio is the chanting by Swamiji – http://db.tt/0xrVZyJ
The audio will start playing. Right click anywhere on the screen and click “Save As” and download each of the below files.
Note : The Audio is not of studio quality as it was recorded with a simple recording device and hence it has some slight disturbance but overall better .


Om Peace .

1960
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 10:11:25 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
       Ribhu Gita chapters of sanskrit and tamil are slightly different. The chapters in tamil seem to have jumbled up some verses !

I suggested those chapters coz I find them most useful. Ramana suggested chapter 26 of tamil. Subramanaian ji was saying it could be 29 of sanskrit version. I feel 25 could also be a possible candidate.

The chapters i picked are exceptional in my view.


Thanks Tushnim , will do and and will note the difference in tamil / sanskrit versions while chanting .

1961
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:56:56 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
      :)

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Right now doing Siva Sahasranama , Aksharamana Mala , Thiruppavai  Chanting . Last month a friend of mine sent me a surprise Gift of Ribhu Gita book ( he had already given me the Audio CD of the same from Ramana Ashram ) .I will  get the Tamil version soon and chant  both sanskrit and tamil and see if I still have attachment to my shirt first and then the body 


If you chant regularly for a few days ... the attachment for shirt will vanish and then the body is seen as nothing more than a shirt :D LOL! Dont worry ... try it.
Aksharamanimalai is exceptional ...
But try with Ribhu Gita and then tell me.
Its Pure Samadhi.
Chant sanskrit lessons : 9,10,11,12,13,25 ... just these.
each chapter is a prakarana with a specific purpose.

Sure will do , but any specific reasons why those chapters listed by you .? I guess Bhagwan Ramana also pointed some Chapters are those the same as pointed by you ?

1962
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:43:23 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
         :) do you listen to ribhu gita ? Listen to it for a few days in the morning ... meditate on one chapter each day starting from chapter 6 or so ... and then tell me if it is difficult.
Right now doing Siva Sahasranama , Aksharamana Mala , Thiruppavai  Chanting . Last month a friend of mine sent me a surprise Gift of Ribhu Gita book ( he had already given me the Audio CD of the same from Ramana Ashram ) .I will  get the Tamil version soon and chant  both sanskrit and tamil and see if I still have attachment to my shirt first and then the body  :)

By the way the Shirt example was a real one when I visited Rishikesh last year with my brother , while changing flights at Delhi Airport ,we had a coffee and the coffee got spilled over a wonderful branded shirt of mine and I was deeply Upset over the stain  :) then my brother left over my laptop bag in the flight under the seat ( and we had already reached the other airport and about to borad the next flight to Dehradun ) and I was shocked but happy that the laptop was in his cabin luggage and only the bag got lost   :). I was very angry and upset but calmed myself thinking might be this is God way of testing how far I remain centered with these minor irritants . Luckily I did not allow the anger to get over me and passed that small test  :) But still have a long way to go  :)

Will try Ribhu Gita and let you know  :)

1963
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:30:02 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
        :) Sorry for misinterpreting your statement, if i did so.

If one is attached to body, then here is a clear instruction by Ribhu Gita:

aham brahmasmi aham mantraha sarva-tantram vinashayet
aham brahmasmi aham mantrah deha dosham vinashayet |

I am Brahman, Brahman Am i .. this mahtra destroys all rituals.
I am Brahman, Brahman am I, this mantra destroys the mistaken identity on the body.

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Annamalai Swami did support this statement in his teachings.
Sri Ramakrishna also did , may be he was not as eloquent in this teaching.
I stand with the Ribhu Gita, Ashtavakra Gita style... Ribhu Gita also propounds that
the easiest way to revert to Self is to see that the world is a mirage and I am the Self.


There is really no other way dear atmavichar. Only

Tushnim
Forget attachment to body . Even if coffee spills over on our best shirt / t shirt we remain upset for many days until the stain is removed  :) First we need to get away with these outer attachments ( my shirt , my computer , my IPOD  , my house , my car etc   :) and then come to body , mind ,emotions  :)
At least I am still in that level  :)
I do not dispute the statements of Sri Ramakrishna , Ramana , Annamalai Swamy , Ribhu Gita etc only pointing out the day to day challenge of living that way .Not impossible but highly difficult and if at all we admire Ramana it was due to his living such a life all throughout inspite of going through lot of hardships .

1964
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:14:41 AM »
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Dear Atmavichar,
       :)
"It is not enough to 'think' that one is not body"
:) Use Reasoning also. Then it would be enough. See my above post.

Tushnim

I never made the above  highlighted statement .

I was only commenting on the following statement of Sri Ramakrishna
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The path of knowledge is very difficult .One cannot obtain Knowledge unless one gets rid of the feeling that one is the body

I said that  it is quite a challenge to live like that in day to day life and we admire Bhagwan Ramana because he lived like that .
I would like to add further here that the above Highlighted statement of Sri Ramakrishna is similar to what Annamalai Swamy said i.e greatest sin is identifying with the body and that leads to all other sins .
So I feel we know this in theory but as we are highly conditioned by our attachment to our body and mind , it is quite a challenge to overcome this attachment . Might be we can do this when things are favorable to us but not when things go against us like when we have severe body pain , illness ,sickness etc .

1965
Once Bhagavan Ramana, while He was on the Hills, when He was
called Brahmana Swami, wanted to fast and become a Pranava body.
He was going into the jungle, Vasudeva Sastri, who was a young boy,
studying in Veda Patasala came to Him running and send: "You have
come all alone, let us return to Virupaksha Cave."  Bhagavan Ramana
said: "I shall spend two days in the jungle and come back, you go."
Vasudeva Sastri started weeping.  However, Bhagavan Ramana pacified
him and walked further.  Suddenly, Satthappaswami, Head of Esanya
Math, came in a cart and on seeing Bhagavan took Him to his Math
for feeding!

There were two more such occasions, when Bhagavan wanted to
become a Pranava body.  On the second occasion, He wanted to
avoid Jadaswami who was giving troubles to Him and proceed.
But this time, Yogananda Swami frustrated the attempt!

Thirdly, afer Mother Azhagamma's Samadhi, Bhagavan Ramana wanted
to leave Skandasramam for ever and disintegrate.  But it so happened,
a new Asram was created at the foot hills and He had to remain upto
1950!

After reading this, one can wonder, why then Bhagavan Ramana did
not want to disintegrate into Pranava body, particularly at the time
of the terminal cancer.  In my view, He wanted to leave the body
in 'death', and on His samadhi,  a temple would be constructed to make the people understand the power of His presence.

Arunachala Siva.

Subramaniam Sir
Back to an old post of yours .
Are you referring here to the disappearance of the body like it happened for Saint Rama Linga Swamigal /Vallalar ?

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