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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 16, 2016, 10:05:42 PM »


I SEE NO SAINTS NOR SINNERS, ONLY LIVING BEINGS
Q: If a sinner, a breaker of the law, comes before you and asks for your grace, what will be your response?
M: He will get what he asks for.
Q: In spite of being a very bad man?
M: I know no bad people, I only know myself. I see no saints nor sinners, only living beings. I do not hand out grace.
There is nothing I can give, or deny, which you do not have already in equal measure. Just be aware of your riches and make full use of them. As long as you imagine that you need my grace, you will be at my door begging for it.
- Nisargadatta Maharaj, I AM THAT ch 97

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 15, 2016, 05:12:20 PM »


CONVERSATIONS WITH ANNAMALAI SWAMI

Q: I have read that if one meditates intensively enough, the current of meditation continues throughout the night. Just before I go to sleep at night I repeat to myself, 'I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am the immanent Self'. Will that have any effect? Will it work during the night?
AS: What you are doing is very good. If you go to sleep with that strong conviction uppermost in your mind, it will work on the mind while you are asleep. If this idea is present while you sleep, the next morning this thought will come up of its own accord as the first thought of the day.
- LWB, p. 330

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 15, 2016, 05:09:58 PM »


WAKING AND DREAM

Even while sleeping on a soft bed, you roam repeatedly and suffer in an illusory dream. But when you wake up, and it all becomes false and fades away, you truly know that you are the single unattached entity who previously went to sleep. Attaining Self-knowledge is similar to this.
- Guru Vachaka Kovai v. 564
Bhagavan: There is a story in Chandogya Upanishad which explains this. A man who was sleeping soundly in his house began to dream. In the dream somebody came and put some drug in his nose and then, after blindfolding his eyes and tying his hands, left him in the middle of a forest and went away. Without knowing the path to get back home, he wandered for a long time among the thorns and stones of the forest. Eventually he began to cry.
A deva[spirit being] appeared and asked, ?Why are you crying? Who are you? Why did you come here??
The blindfolded man gave the particulars of his name, village and so on.
Then he said, ?Someone came and deluded me with drugs, blindfolded my eyes, tied my hands, left me in the middle of the forest and went away.?
The deva freed him from his ties, showed him a path and told him, ?If you follow this path you will reach your village.?
The man followed the instructions, reached his village and entered his own house. At that moment he woke up from his dream. He looked at the door and saw that it was locked from the inside. He realized that he had spent the whole night lying on his bed and that he had never been to a forest or returned from there. He understood that the cause of all his suffering was his avichara buddhi [his lack of discerning enquiry.
The idea that we are separate from God and the idea that we have to undergo some arduous sadhana to reach Him are as false as the ideas that this man had in his dream. While he was lying comfortably in bed his imagination led him to believe that he was suffering in a forest and that he had to make a great effort to get back to bed again. One attains God and one remains in the state of Self when the thought of wanting to attain stops.
- Living by the Words of Bhagavan, pp. 215-16

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 15, 2016, 04:52:26 PM »
When an intimate devotee of Bhagavan, soulfully told him that he was finding it very difficult to cope with mundane life, the mountain of munificence looked at him deeply and said,
?Go along with the current. Don‟t try to swim against the flow of the river. All that is happening is what a higher power has already enjoined. Human efforts to change it or alter it to one‟s advantage amounts to going against His order. Acceptance of it is a natural movement and rejection of it, wholly unnatural. Surrender is nothing but total acceptance of it. Then it becomes the burden of the higher power and no more yours! Everything is perfectly all right as it is. Realize it! Go along with its natural completion.?
DROPS from the OCEAN

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 12, 2016, 08:10:35 AM »

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 07, 2016, 07:52:40 AM »

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 05, 2016, 09:23:49 AM »
Bhagavan Ramana used to say the same when devotees complained about not being able to see him Physically

I am sorry by posting other Acharyas experience, however i thought all Gurus in spirit are the same for offering knowledge.
In 1939, His Holiness Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati was staying in Bangalore for more than eight months. Hundreds of people had Darshan of the Guru and received his blessings. After this long stay His Holiness set out for Kalady, the birth place of Sri Sankaracharya. On the morning of his departure a disciple was sobbing when he went out to receive the ?Phala-mantrakshita?. The Guru asked him why he sobbed.
The disciple said ?For eight months I had darshan of the Guru, was greatly blessed and elevated. Hereafter I shall miss his darshan. I do not if I will live to see the Guru again.?
Guru: ?Who is that Guru who has given you such blessings and elevation??
Disciple: ?Why? It is yourself.?
Guru: ?In that case, I am a failure as a Guru, if this all that I have taught in eight months. It is better you miss me.?
Disciple: ?Why??
Guru: ?My body is not your Guru. The Guru is with you always in spirit. If you consider that my body is your Guru I have been a failure.?

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« on: December 05, 2016, 07:15:39 AM »
CONSCIOUS IMMORTALITY
MEDITATION WILL BE SUCCESSFUL

A devotee was feeling despondent.
Maharshi: The question must be put, 'Who is despondent?'
It is the phantom of the ego, which falls prey to such thoughts. In sleep the person is not afflicted. The sleep state is the normal (undisturbed) one. Enquire and find out. Does one not find some kind of peace in meditation? That is a sign of progress; that peace will be deeper and more prolonged with continued practice. It will also lead to the goal.
Inasmuch as you say that you are ignorant, you are wise, and it makes your way easier for the removal of ignorance. Is he a mad man who says that he is mad? The control of desire and meditation are interdependent.
They must go hand in hand. Abhyasa and vairagya bring about the result. Vairagya is to restrain the mind from projecting outwards and abhyasa is to keep it turned inward. There is a constant struggle within between control and meditation. Meditation will eventually be successful.
If you seek God with your whole heart, then you may be assured that the Grace of God is also seeking you.
- Conscious Immortality p. 53

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 04, 2016, 07:51:46 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 03, 2016, 07:15:07 AM »
Everybody is a Saint, Everybody a Preacher,
Till, Life's tests comes and stands in front,
Inner secrets of nature (vasanas) then rise from the bottom
God is the only refuge then - Mankuthimma by Sri DV Gundappa

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 29, 2016, 11:24:40 PM »
WITHOUT SELF-KNOWLEDGE, NO VIRTUE IS GENUINE
That which you are, your true Self, you love it, and whatever you do, you do for your own happiness. To find it, to know it, to cherish it is your basic urge.
Since time immemorial you loved yourself, but never wisely. Use your body and mind wisely in the service of the self, that is all. Be true to your own self, love your self absolutely. Do not pretend that you love others as yourself. Unless you have realized them as one with yourself, you cannot love them Don't pretend to be what you are not, don't refuse to be what you are. Your love of others is the result of self-knowledge, not its cause.
Without self-realization, no virtue is genuine. When you know beyond all doubting that the same life flows through all that is and you are that life, you will love all naturally and spontaneously. When you realize the depth and fullness of your love of yourself, you know that every living being and the entire universe are included in your affection. But when you look at anything as separate from you, you cannot love it for you are afraid of it. Alienation causes fear and fear deepens alienation. It is a vicious circle. Only Self-realization can break it. Go for it resolutely.
- Nisargadatta Mahraj, I AM THAT ch 46

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 29, 2016, 01:02:55 PM »
D.: Will the West ever understand this teaching?
M.: There is no question of time and space. Understanding depends on ripeness of mind. What does it matter if one lives in the East or in the West?
(From 'Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi': 338)

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: November 26, 2016, 06:01:26 PM »
M: Within the prison of your world appears a man who tells you that the world of painful contradictions, which you have created, is neither continuous nor permanent and is based on a misapprehension. He pleads with you to get out of it, by the same way by which you got into it. You got into it by forgetting what you are and you will get out of it by knowing yourself as you are.
- Nisargadatta Maharaj, I AM THAT ch 15

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 22, 2016, 10:36:29 PM »
Whether you meditate on God or
on the Self is immaterial....
the goal is the same....
All kinds of thoughts arise in meditation....
They rise up spontaneously in order to be extinguished in due course....
Thoughts are vasanas accumulated in innumerable [previous] births.....
Their annihilation is the aim.....
Atman, the Self,
is realized with 'mruta manas', i.e. mind devoid of thoughts and turned inward.....
Then the mind sees its own source and becomes
That.....
Talks...254, 310, 80, 99....
Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi...

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: October 06, 2016, 08:05:19 PM »

Dear Subramaniam Sir

I was aware of Sri Ramalinga Swamigal's Birthday on 5 Oct 2016 but as I am busy with the Navarathri Prayers and visits could not write on Saint Ramalinga Swamigal and will do my best to write in the coming days .

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