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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:43:23 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
         :) do you listen to ribhu gita ? Listen to it for a few days in the morning ... meditate on one chapter each day starting from chapter 6 or so ... and then tell me if it is difficult.
Right now doing Siva Sahasranama , Aksharamana Mala , Thiruppavai  Chanting . Last month a friend of mine sent me a surprise Gift of Ribhu Gita book ( he had already given me the Audio CD of the same from Ramana Ashram ) .I will  get the Tamil version soon and chant  both sanskrit and tamil and see if I still have attachment to my shirt first and then the body  :)

By the way the Shirt example was a real one when I visited Rishikesh last year with my brother , while changing flights at Delhi Airport ,we had a coffee and the coffee got spilled over a wonderful branded shirt of mine and I was deeply Upset over the stain  :) then my brother left over my laptop bag in the flight under the seat ( and we had already reached the other airport and about to borad the next flight to Dehradun ) and I was shocked but happy that the laptop was in his cabin luggage and only the bag got lost   :). I was very angry and upset but calmed myself thinking might be this is God way of testing how far I remain centered with these minor irritants . Luckily I did not allow the anger to get over me and passed that small test  :) But still have a long way to go  :)

Will try Ribhu Gita and let you know  :)

1937
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:30:02 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
        :) Sorry for misinterpreting your statement, if i did so.

If one is attached to body, then here is a clear instruction by Ribhu Gita:

aham brahmasmi aham mantraha sarva-tantram vinashayet
aham brahmasmi aham mantrah deha dosham vinashayet |

I am Brahman, Brahman Am i .. this mahtra destroys all rituals.
I am Brahman, Brahman am I, this mantra destroys the mistaken identity on the body.

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Annamalai Swami did support this statement in his teachings.
Sri Ramakrishna also did , may be he was not as eloquent in this teaching.
I stand with the Ribhu Gita, Ashtavakra Gita style... Ribhu Gita also propounds that
the easiest way to revert to Self is to see that the world is a mirage and I am the Self.


There is really no other way dear atmavichar. Only

Tushnim
Forget attachment to body . Even if coffee spills over on our best shirt / t shirt we remain upset for many days until the stain is removed  :) First we need to get away with these outer attachments ( my shirt , my computer , my IPOD  , my house , my car etc   :) and then come to body , mind ,emotions  :)
At least I am still in that level  :)
I do not dispute the statements of Sri Ramakrishna , Ramana , Annamalai Swamy , Ribhu Gita etc only pointing out the day to day challenge of living that way .Not impossible but highly difficult and if at all we admire Ramana it was due to his living such a life all throughout inspite of going through lot of hardships .

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 18, 2012, 09:14:41 AM »
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Dear Atmavichar,
       :)
"It is not enough to 'think' that one is not body"
:) Use Reasoning also. Then it would be enough. See my above post.

Tushnim

I never made the above  highlighted statement .

I was only commenting on the following statement of Sri Ramakrishna
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The path of knowledge is very difficult .One cannot obtain Knowledge unless one gets rid of the feeling that one is the body

I said that  it is quite a challenge to live like that in day to day life and we admire Bhagwan Ramana because he lived like that .
I would like to add further here that the above Highlighted statement of Sri Ramakrishna is similar to what Annamalai Swamy said i.e greatest sin is identifying with the body and that leads to all other sins .
So I feel we know this in theory but as we are highly conditioned by our attachment to our body and mind , it is quite a challenge to overcome this attachment . Might be we can do this when things are favorable to us but not when things go against us like when we have severe body pain , illness ,sickness etc .

1939
Once Bhagavan Ramana, while He was on the Hills, when He was
called Brahmana Swami, wanted to fast and become a Pranava body.
He was going into the jungle, Vasudeva Sastri, who was a young boy,
studying in Veda Patasala came to Him running and send: "You have
come all alone, let us return to Virupaksha Cave."  Bhagavan Ramana
said: "I shall spend two days in the jungle and come back, you go."
Vasudeva Sastri started weeping.  However, Bhagavan Ramana pacified
him and walked further.  Suddenly, Satthappaswami, Head of Esanya
Math, came in a cart and on seeing Bhagavan took Him to his Math
for feeding!

There were two more such occasions, when Bhagavan wanted to
become a Pranava body.  On the second occasion, He wanted to
avoid Jadaswami who was giving troubles to Him and proceed.
But this time, Yogananda Swami frustrated the attempt!

Thirdly, afer Mother Azhagamma's Samadhi, Bhagavan Ramana wanted
to leave Skandasramam for ever and disintegrate.  But it so happened,
a new Asram was created at the foot hills and He had to remain upto
1950!

After reading this, one can wonder, why then Bhagavan Ramana did
not want to disintegrate into Pranava body, particularly at the time
of the terminal cancer.  In my view, He wanted to leave the body
in 'death', and on His samadhi,  a temple would be constructed to make the people understand the power of His presence.

Arunachala Siva.

Subramaniam Sir
Back to an old post of yours .
Are you referring here to the disappearance of the body like it happened for Saint Rama Linga Swamigal /Vallalar ?

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 17, 2012, 09:57:23 PM »
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Further, you see, people speak of the waves as belonging to the
Ganges; but no one says that the Ganges belongs to the waves. The feeling, 'I am He', is not wholesome

Ravi

In fact the doubt about the Wave/Ocean that I mentioned came when me and my friend were sitting on the Banks of the River Ganges in Rishikesh 2 years back .Seeing the full flow of Ganges we started to discuss no doubt every wave on this Ganges can identity itself with the  full Ganges and say it is also Ganges but what about the strength and energy of Ganges in its totality ,which wave can compare itself to that aspect of Ganges .

Om Peace

1941
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 17, 2012, 09:53:29 PM »
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The path of knowledge is very difficult. One cannot obtain Knowledge unless one gets rid of the feeling that one is the body(It is not enough to 'think' that one is not body-ravi).

That is the key . One can have a superficial/theoretical  idea that one is not the body / mind but to live that way is quite a challenge .If we admire Bhagwan Ramana it is because he lived that way .

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General topics / Re: the myth of jivan muktha
« on: December 17, 2012, 01:42:04 PM »
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the myth of jivan muktha

Kskat

My take is that discussing things like state of a Jnani /Jivan Muktha , fate of a Jnani /Jivan Muktha , past life , after life etc etc will never bring in any consensus as there is always varied opinions on the same .

You yourself have provided answer for this
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It is a mystery.  We can never solve it.

That is why Bhagavan Raman never spoke of any other person's state -- he knew for sure, we will likely misunderstand the whole thing.

In the past I was also digging in to the lives of various saints ,checking who was enlightened , who was not , is there a degree in the levels of enlightenment or not etc etc and later found that digging in to these questions were not helping me in anyway and after reading "Living by the words of Bhagwan" stopped probing in to these sort of things as Bhagwan says time and again points out  "Mind your business and attend to what you came for Primarily " .Moreover  I feel "Existence" is too large and complex for any taking any concrete and standard ,fixed idea about how things must be .

Om Peace

1943
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"WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF BUBBLE START S THINKING AND BEHAVING AS IF IT IS THE OCEAN"

For the above question the answer below is given and sometimes  instead of Bubble the example Wave/Ocean is given .

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Bubble is the ocean.
Bubble never was separate.
The problem is that it took itself to be a "bubble" and is suffering.
Ego is to take yourself ot be the bubble!

But the next question asked is Bubble /wave is similar in substance with Ocean but differs in their strength i.e strength and energy of a wave is different from strength and energy of Ocean .
I have no answer for this .I was discussing this with a friend of mine and both of us could not get an answer  :) So would be happy if others can share the answer to this question i.e Wave is similar to Ocean in essence but differs in its strength and energy ,so is the analogy right ?

1944
General topics / Tiruppavai-Discussion
« on: December 16, 2012, 02:26:16 PM »
Friends

Sri Subramaniam Sir has opened a thread on Thiruppavai on the auspicious day of starting of Margazhi Season today i,e Sun 16 Dec 2012 and Sri Ravi is also giving the explanation of verses based on the talks of Sage TGN which he has listened to and I do not want to disturb that thread for asking any doubts / discussion of the same and hence opening a new thread for the same .
So let us share our doubts and opinion in this thread without disturbing the other thread and leave it free to Sri Ravi to share his thoughts whenever he feels comfortable doing so .

Om Peace .

1945
General topics / Re: Tiruppavai.
« on: December 16, 2012, 11:11:07 AM »
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Thanks to Kanchi Mahaswami, this practice is even now there in Tamizh houses and also in Tamizh knowing Karnataka Sri Vaishnavas.

Yes very true that Sri Kanchi Mahaswami was the main force behind the Thiruppavai and Thiruvembavi revival in Tamil Nadu .

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I request Sri Ravi to cover each song on a day and complete the work by the end of Margazhi month. I am sure he will oblige since he is the right person to give such posts on Tiruppavai.
Me too would be happy to have a more than literal meaning of these verses .
I am right now learning it using Sulamangalam Sisters Audio for Thiruppavai and Sri Dharmapuram Swaminathan's Audio for Thiruvempavai .

Om Peace .

1946
Health & Welfare Issues / Re: Extensive Power Cuts in Tamil Nadu
« on: December 14, 2012, 09:18:23 PM »

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Extensive Power Cuts in Tamil Nadu

Graham
 
The biggest Sadhana for people in Tamil Nadu especially in Tier-2 and Tier-3 cities is to cope up with this massive  and unpredictable power cuts . Right now till Feb 2013 it is Ok as the day time temperature is not much but and people do not use much A/Cs and fans but come March 2013 when the temperature shoots up we will see a massive usage of power and more frequent power cuts .In cities though more power is there ,during summer there will be low voltage to such an extent most of heavy appliances wont be able to be used and also the transformers will be getting frequently burnt out unable to cope up with the load .
The Tamil Nadu CM has promised that the situation will be set right by Dec 2013 so we need to be prepared for some harsh times for 1 more year until some solution comes .
We just need to wait and watch .


1947
General Discussion / Re: PSEUDO-VEDANTIC STUDENT - Swami Sivananda
« on: December 13, 2012, 01:04:23 PM »
The following 2 quotes of Mark Twain is very apt in the context of a Pseudo Vedantic student .
The first quote warns us not to talk or argue with anyone if we have half baked knowledge and the second quote warns us to keep away from such people in case we encounter them . In some dialogues of Bhagwan Ramana I have seem many such people coming to him and arguing with him foolishly and Bhagwan would remain silent and after that person left Bhagwan would say that it is foolish to argue with such people .


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1)Better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt - Mark Twain .

2) Never argue with stupid people , they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience - Mark Twain

Om Peace

1948
General topics / Re: sad news
« on: December 12, 2012, 09:43:14 PM »
Latha Ji

Sorry for this sad news in your family . Swami Sivananda advise people to chant "Maha Mritunjaya Mantra "  for the departed soul to rest in peace and also to give strength to the family that have lost their dear one and I will also do the same for your departed brother in law and his family .


Here is a link to the Chant of Maha Mritunjaya Mantra on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAnMgrLprwo


Apart from Maha Mritunjaya Mantra , Chanting of Chapter -8 of Bhagwad Gita is also recommended for the departed soul to rest in peace .
Om Peace .

1949
General Discussion / Re: PSEUDO-VEDANTIC STUDENT - Swami Sivananda
« on: December 09, 2012, 02:11:42 PM »
Dear atmavichar100,

Nice write up from Swami Sivananda on pseudo vedantic students. Yes. There are people like that.

Arunachala Siva.

True Subramaniam Sir

If at all there is disgust for Vedanta and Scriptural Study today among spiritual aspirants it is due to the behavior of these sort  of Vedantic Students/Teachers  who act like "Conversion Missionaries/ Forced Marketing Agents " in constantly forcing people for argument , ridiculing their beliefs , their practices , their bhakti and devotion to their Guru /Ishta Devata in order to sell their Vedantic beliefs .
I have known personally a well read Vedanta Student who was part of our Satsang and Retreat Group and his behavior was similar to this Pseudo Vedantic student and initially we tolerated  but later his behavior became so intolerant  and repulsive that people told that if he is going to talk  in the satsang or come for our retreat we are not coming and he had to be kept out and he was isolated  and he is all alone now .
But I have also seen some wonderful Vedanta Student and Teachers who always keep quiet and will only talk when asked to and will give answer respecting the situation and maturity of the student and even when they talk Vedanta they will talk from a "heart perspective" as most of the people attending these satsang and retreats are Grihastas who do not have time for full time spirituality and scriptural study and their answers will be soothing and motivating for the audience to ask them more questions and create Genuine interest in them in attending such satsangs regularly . Adi Shankara in his Bhaja Govindam says "Satsangha is the starting point for Jivan Mukti" and Bhagwan Ramana also echoed the same but unfortunately some of these Pseudo Vedantic Students and Teachers have spoiled the potential interest of many common people's interest in spirituality by their arrogant behavior in the name of "talking the highest truth "  to common people .

1950
Subramniam Sir

The following statement of Sadhu Om in David's blog I found about Vallalar informing about arrival of Bhagwan Ramana but I cant find which verse is this from Thiru Arutpa .
One thing we must notice , after 3 years after Rama Linga Swamigal dematerialized , Bhagwan Ramana was born and in one of his famous sermons delivered in the near end of his life  he did mention that the same teachings ( i.e Universal Brotherhood ) will soon be talked about another person and people from all over the world ( from Europe , Russia , America etc )  will come to meet him and receive the teachings .

http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot.in/search?q=sadhu+om

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Question: Did anyone predict the birth of Bhagavan?

Sadhu Om: Ramalinga Swami [a 19th century Tamil saint] sung in verse, shortly before he passed away [in 1877] ‘O men, the time is fast approaching when my Lord [Siva] will come on earth’.

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