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1876
General topics / Re: Azhwar Songs
« on: December 24, 2012, 09:45:20 AM »
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Sri Atmavichar, I am referring from this link - http://acharya.org/desk.html If i find a better one, shall keep you updated, the commentary of some verses may not be universal.

Thanks Nagaraj for the link . It has word by word explanation for the pasurams .
Om Peace .

1877
Dear Subramanian,

One quick question!

If a person has done some mistake, may be a big one and after few years he becomes self realized and does the person still has to face the consequences?

Om Arunaachaleshwaraaya Namaha!

After he becomes self realized ,he will not be bothered much about what happens to him .

1878
General topics / Re: Azhwar Songs
« on: December 24, 2012, 07:10:36 AM »
Nagaraj

Is there any online source where one can get all the Alwar songs - the tamil text , english translations as put up by you here .If so kindly share the source of the same .

Om Peace 

1879
General Discussion / Re: Gita Jayanti - 23 DEC 2012
« on: December 23, 2012, 07:13:52 PM »
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The ideal way to celebrate Gita Jayanti is by reading at least a stanza from the Bhagavad Gita.
I celebrated it by attending the Bhagwad Gita Talk of Swami Paramarthananda after a long gap and co-incidentally or so today he handled the concluding verses of Chapter-4 which talked about the need for the formal association of Guru + Scriptures in the path of Self Knowledge but before that he stressed the need for a disciplined lifestyle based  on the sastras ( i.e Sanathana Dharma ) as per ones situation and condition to keep oneself fit to receive this knowledge .
As a simple step he asked people to :
1) Resist Taking morning coffee / tea immediately after getting up and to have the same after having one's bath and after saying one's prayer .This minimum  Tapas one must have to make oneself eligible for self knowledge  :)
2) Avoid looking at Cell Phone /TV /Internet during this time  i.e keep it all after finishing one's prayer .Also do the same some time before going to bed and start the day with prayer/God/Meditation   and end the day with prayer /God /Meditation and not with Cell Phone /TV /Internet /News Paper .  :)
3) Maintain "Vak Tapas " as much as possible i.e avoid impulsive talk and speak only what is to be spoken .

So if we can win over the morning coffee/tea , I think we have done a great tapas  :)

1880
General Discussion / Gita Jayanti - 23 DEC 2012
« on: December 23, 2012, 07:05:07 PM »

Gita Jayanti - 23 DEC 2012


Gita Jayanti, also referred as Bhagawad Geetha Jayanthi, is the day when the Bhagvad Gita was rendered by Lord Krishna to Arjuna in the Kurukshetra on the first day of the famous 18-day battle in the Mahabharata. In 2012, the date of Gita Jayanti is December 23. Gita Jayanthi falls on the Ekadashi day of Shukla Paksha (the bright half) of the Margashirsha month (November-December) in traditional Hindi calendar.
 
 
The greatest quality of Bhagavad Gita is that it prompts you to think, it prompts you to take decision, and it prompts you to look at life differently and refreshingly and all this without surrendering your individuality.
 
 
Bhagavad Gita adapts to the present and discusses an issue by rooting itself in the present. Every moment a confused Arjuna opens the Gita to take the advice of Krishna. And through the immortal Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna has been discussing and debating and finding solutions to the various problems faced by the confused Arjunas for centuries and will continue to do the same forever.
 
 
The day is observed all around the world with the reading of Bhagavad Gita, which is referred outside India as the Bible of the Hindus. Discussions and seminars are organized on the day.
 
 
All Hindu temples, especially those dedicated to Lord Vishnu and Lord Krishna, conduct special pujas on the day.
 
 
The ideal way to celebrate Gita Jayanti is by reading at least a stanza from the Bhagavad Gita.

1881
General topics / Re: Sangam Literature
« on: December 23, 2012, 08:38:50 AM »
Dear Nagaraj,

This reminds me of U.Ve. Swaminatha Iyer. He came to have darshan of Sri Bhagavan. He listened to Him and then said:
Bhagavan! You wanted us to leave all paRRu (attachments) but I am not able to leave my Tamizh paRRu.

Sri Bhagavan smiled and said: Who wants you to leave Tamizh paRRu? Tamiizh is Sivam. Love is Sivam. All great things in life
are Sivam!

Arunachala Siva.

Subramaniam Sir

That is a well known incident .But I heard that Bhagwan had a different advice to Muruganar on his Tamil Pattru and told him to be bit detached of the same . Kindly correct me if I am wrong .

Om Peace

1882
General topics / Re: Sangam Literature
« on: December 23, 2012, 08:32:53 AM »
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Mahakavi BhArati said:yaam aRindha mozhigaLiley tamizhai pOl inidhavadhu engum kaaNOm'(Among the Languages that I know,i do not see anything sweeter than Tamizh-He knew Sanskrit,English,French besides tamizh).

Yes Ravi

That is the most important point to be noted . There are many people who are fanatic admirers of their own mother tongue .No problem in that but when asked how many other languages they know  apart from their mother tongue they draw a blank .
In case of Sri Subramania Bharathi , he claimed Tamizh as far superior among other languages that he was quite competent with ( i.e Sanskrit , English , French ) .

Om Peace

1883
General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: December 23, 2012, 08:19:51 AM »
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I am using the word Dynamic in order to distinguish it from 'the idle passivity' that is mistaken for surrender.

Dear Ravi

The biggest mistake many people in spiritual circles make is to take their idle passivity as surrender .

1884
General Discussion / Re: Srinivasa Ramanujan
« on: December 22, 2012, 10:01:23 PM »
An equation for me has no meaning, unless it represents a thought of God.
- Srinivasa Ramanujan

1885
General Discussion / Re: Srinivasa Ramanujan
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:58:23 PM »
On December 22, 2012, Google India celebrates the 125th Birthday of Srinivasa Ramanujan with a Doodle.It also marks the National Mathematics Day.


For more details refer this link :

http://rtoz.org/2012/12/22/srinivasa-ramanujans-125th-birthday-google-doodle/

1886
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 11:29:08 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
     :) Sravanam should be helping you there as well.
Just keep hearing from Parmarthananda ji.
While you listen: Have the Attitude that he is Ramana teaching you.
Hear with such an attitude.
To parmarthananda ji's teachings ...
and see what happens.

this is my suggestion. It works for most of our friends here.
But not many can hear Parmarthananda ji with the attitude that
Ramana himself is teaching.

Vedanta is a pramana ... means of knowledge. When you expose yourself
to it from a proper person who knows how to apply it ... you see the
difference.

This is my suggestion ... I have no Pramana to convince you, than to tell you
to verify it yourself. Listen to entire BG with that attitude and see yourself.

Like even ... Eyes see ... how do i convince you ... open the eyes and see.
thats all.
Sure Tushnim ,after a long gap ,I have restarted to listen to Swami Paramarthananda's talks and I enjoy it very much .
Well I do not want to bring Ramana while listening to him  :)
Bhagwan Ramana has his own flavor while conveying his answers to people's doubts and Swami Paramarthananda has his own flavor of conveying "Self Knowledge"  and Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ,  Swami Sivananda , Kanchi Paramacharya , Sringeri Acharya ,etc have their own way of conveying the truth .
As I said in one of my earlier post : Sanathana Dharma is rich with these wide variety of Great men and their teachings and I enjoy everyone of them .
But personally  among Living persons I resonate more with Swami Paramarthananda and more than that I have personal access to him to clear any doubts with regard to Advaita Vedanta and other matters connected to Sanathana Dharma .
Om Peace .

1887
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 10:21:51 AM »
Dear Atmavichar,
     :)

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Ok then if I need to sum up the entire spiritual journey it  is :
1) First Prepare for receiving the self knowledge through "Sadhana Chatushtaya"
2) Then receive Self Knowledge from a Guru ( through Sravanam , Mananam )
3) After receiving the Self knowledge internalize the knowledge through Niddhidayasanam which we use the term Sadhana for "Not identifying with the non binding vasanas"



Very much true, with small comments:
1. Dont want for "Sadhana Chatushtayam". From my experience, I improved in them as I kept hearing guru ji. Start with Sravana. 3 takes care of any lapses in 1.
2. in (3) , you have made a typo : Not identifying with the non binding vasanas" , its not identifying with binding vasanas.

You are absolutely correct. And I stress the importance of Sravanam here which enables the others.
Annamalai Swami's talks are no less  that an upanishad for that matter.

For me though I  have given up lot of external activities ,still I feel I am not yet prepared for the "direct way to direct Path " and use the traditional methodology for self knowledge .As I said interest is one thing , commitment is another .While I do have interest in Jnana Marga , my samskaras are more in Yoga marga and it will have to be followed till it takes a natural shift to Jnana Marga .
Anyway thanks for your inputs .
Om Peace .

1888
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 10:02:03 AM »
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If I listen to Osho or JK ... I will be left searching in loops.
jk confuses people a lot ... unnecessarily, in my opinion.

 :)

1889
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:50:51 AM »
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Very much true, with small comments:
1. Dont want for "Sadhana Chatushtayam". From my experience, I improved in them as I kept hearing guru ji. Start with Sravana. 3 takes care of any lapses in 1.
2. in (3) , you have made a typo : Not identifying with the non binding vasanas" , its not identifying with binding vasanas.

You are absolutely correct. And I stress the importance of Sravanam here which enables the others.
Annamalai Swami's talks are no less  that an upanishad for that matter.

Ok Made the change in Vasanas in my previous post .

As regards "Sravanam" ,I feel it is a big art in itself .The Art of Listening is the biggest of all arts and most difficult to practice .
In J.Krishnamurti's complete works of 17 Volumes  the first volume is titled  " The Art of Listening " .I also posted here few days back a quote "When you know how to listen ,Everybody is the Guru" .

So I agree Sravanam is very important but how competent one is in that is the big question .
I have bought 2 books  called " The Lost Art of Listening " by Micahel P Nicholas , Practicing the Sacred Art of Listening by Kay Lindhal . After reading through them only I understood how much poor we are when it comes to listening and we confuse hearing to listening .
Will share more about it later .

Om Peace

1890
General Discussion / Re: Common Discussion
« on: December 22, 2012, 09:20:06 AM »
EXACTLY.

SADHANA is not to attain or Realize Self.
Having known that Self is the Awarness ... Screen on which all this is going on...
Remain unidentified with the non-self.
As Annamalai Swami Explains here :

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pg 271-2, Living by the words of bhagavan


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      Continuous inhalation and exhalation are necessary for continuation of life. Continuous meditation is necessary for all those who want to stay in the Self.
You divide your life up into different activities: "I am eating", "I am meditating", "I am working", etc. If you have ideas like these you are still identifiying with the body. Get rid of all these ideas and replace them with the single thought , "I am Self", Hold onto that idea and dont let it go. Dont give these "I am the body" ideas any attention.
"I must eat now", "I will go to sleep now", "I will have a bath now", all thoughts like these  are I am the body thoughts. Learn to recognize them when they arise and learn to ignore them or deny them. Stay firmly seated in the Self and dont allow the mind to identify with anything that the body does.

Ok then if I need to sum up the entire spiritual journey it  is :
1) First Prepare for receiving the self knowledge through "Sadhana Chatushtaya"
2) Then receive Self Knowledge from a Guru ( through Sravanam , Mananam )
3) After receiving the Self knowledge internalize the knowledge through Niddhidayasanam which we use the term Sadhana for "Not identifying with the  binding vasanas"

So in essence there is Sadhana before Self Knowledge and Sadhana after self knowledge and for receiving the self knowledge one just needs to listen /study the scriptures under a Guru

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