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General Discussion / Re: Subject of Marriage
« on: February 12, 2013, 12:41:57 PM »
Here is a real life story from Swami Sivananda's life as explained by one of his direct disciples Swami Chaitanyananda is his book "A Saga of Spiritual Unfoldment  " .

When Swami Sivananda came to Rishikesh first as a wandering monk and was staying at Swarg Ashram  , he just got only some dry rotis and simple dal as food and initially it was ok for him but day in and out having the same food again and again for many months  was really a challenge for him  and he got fed up. One day a Rich devotee who knew Swami Sivananda from his Poorva Ashrama days gave him Rs.5/- ( In today's equivalent it is equal to Rs.500/-) and he immediately went to the Bazzar area in Rishikesh and found a Sweet Shop and bought 3 kgs of sweets ( Jilabeis ) for that Rs.5 and ate all in one stroke .
Swami Sivananda used to highlight this incident from his own life to struggling sadhaks that mind will always find a way to trick a person and one needs to be careful about it and not go to extremes on the spiritual path .

General Discussion / Re: Subject of Marriage
« on: February 12, 2013, 11:24:09 AM »

One who is genuienly serious of spiritual quest, should stop watching television altogether. For such a serious person, whatever station of life one may be in, watching television must be stopped. I believe there is no such thing like moderation for wathing television.

What may help us from watching television? We may ponder.


I agree that watching excess of TV mindlessly, surfing too much on net mindlessly is quite harmful ( note the word mindlessly ) . The problem is not much on TV/Internet but our reckless and mindless way in which we use them .
I knew a person who claimed that he is very spiritual and removed TV from his house saying he wanted to be away from the harmful effects of TV . But the problem was in office he surfs the net a lot as he was curious of what is happening in the world . He claimed he does not watch Cricket Match on TV but in office he was constantly looking at Cricinfo for Cricket updates when a match was in progress . Actually he is not supposed to surf the net during office hours as the Company is paying him to do the work . After few months he was sacked from his work for being highly unproductive in his work .
Another person I know wanted to cut on his eating by half and started eating only 50% of what he used to eat daily i.e instead of 4 Idlis he started eating 2 , instead of one big bowl of rice he stared eating a half a bowl of rice and so on . But he did not loose weight as he was secretly munching salted cashed / nuts /dry fruits/Chocolates  and I saw lot of dry fruit packs/Chocolates  in his draw . Actually dry fruits /Chocolates have more calories than 2 Idlis or some excess rice .Just because they are in small quantities it is not visible as Calories but as he was hungry the body was seeking other avenues to compensate the hunger in the form of dry fruits and chocolates .
This is the problem with many spiritual people .
Actually if we try to avoid something forcibly ,what we try to avoid will come in another form and trouble us  . So let us be  quite practical and avoid extremes . Once you progress on the spiritual path then many un-necessary things ( basically tamasic / rajasic activities ) will automatically drop by themselves .
I will later share a personal example of Swami Sivananda Himself of how going to extremes early on the spiritual path is dangerous .

General Discussion / Re: Subject of Marriage
« on: February 12, 2013, 07:27:20 AM »

There are still situations where they are me drawn to Sanyas and not able to participate in grihasthashrama. One example is Swami Shantananda Puri of Vashista Guha who is usually at Ramanashram during winter months. He usually stays in a room behind the samadhis of Major chadwick, Sadhu Om, etc. He waited until his son was settled and his wife could be cared for before taking Sanyas.

It may be a loss for his family, but countless people have benefited from his teaching and guidance.


You must read Ch-5 of Bhagavad Gita "Sannyasa Yoga" which talks about Arjuna's dilemma between following Karma Marga / Sannyasa Marga .

General Discussion / Re: Subject of Marriage
« on: February 12, 2013, 07:18:27 AM »
Dear Nagraj,

People like them are not worth to be compared with such great souls & I understand what you are trying to say here. But the people I have mentioned, they "adopted" spirituality for being lazy, so they can escape from their responsisbility. U can find many people like them these days who are also earning easy money with out bending their backs, which shouldnt be the way.

Buddha & Raghavendra are exceptions & were totally inclined to spirituality. They did not use it as an excuse to escape from the responsibilities. Since it was was their passion/reason to survive they have excelled in it.

Om Arunaachaleshwaraaya Namaha!


If spiritual feelings dominate a person , he/she will have less inclination to work i.e less inclination to be more Rajasic but will have more sattvic feelings . Problem is many people become more Tamasic and mistake it for sattva . A saint and a lazy person will look same from outside i.e both of them will not be very active but a saint will be inwardly awake and alert while a lazy person will be inwardly dull and lazy .
Last Sunday I was listening to Swami Paramarthananda's Gita Lecture on Ch-5 "Sannyasa Yoga" and he said that people taking to Sannyasa without adequate preparation will face a big downfall as in Sannyasa there is no duty / compulsion to earn one's living and unless one is under the Guidance of a Good Guru / Ashram which trains that person systematically in spiritual sadhana ,if that person is left to himself then he will become lazy and develop Tamasic qualities as an "Empty Mind is a devil's workshop" .
That is why in Sivananda Ashram when u join there , they give u lot of work to remove the Tamas first and side by side train you in spiritual sadhana and follow the normal order i.e first convert Tamas to Rajas and then Rajas to Sattva .The same also applies to other Traditional Organizations like Ramakrishna Mutt ,Chinmaya Ashram etc .
So we need to be careful to see that our interest in spiritual matters do not make us more Tamasic and more than that we must not mistake our Tamas as Sattva .

General topics / Re: Naming Baby
« on: February 11, 2013, 09:38:56 PM »

Firstly, thank you to all devotees who so lovingly suggested names for my son. A zillion thanks! The names suggested by you all just felt very special and wonderful, as though coming from bhagavan himself!

As suggested by atmavichar ji, we have named our son karthikeyan. His other name [sarma] is swaminathan. It is interesting to note here that even our kula deivam is palani subramania swamy!

I am absolutely sure that i was bhagavan himself who gave those names through you all. :)

He is 5 months old now [ yes! its taken us that long to name him!] and i plan to take him to ashram asap. last year too i couldnt go to the ashram, so this year  i do plan to go with the family. I am sure that, that morning idly from ashram for karthikeyan will keep him healthy and away from all health troubles for life! Such is the speciality of our ashram prasadam. I feel very blessed that karthikeyan will grow up to run around in the ashram and imbibe good teachings/habits through osmosis.

Thanks a lot again friends :)



Dear Lakshmiji

Happy that you have chosen the name of your child as Karthikeyan .
Lord Subramanya is also my favorite deity and also our family deity .
May the blessings of Lord Subramanya and Bhagwan Ramana ( who is also Lord Subramanya ) be on you and your family and definitely a visit to Ramana Ashram with ur baby will be very auspicious for the baby as well as for all of you .
Om Peace

General Discussion / Re: Subject of Marriage
« on: February 11, 2013, 09:29:34 PM »
I understand they want to spend time with us and kids. But I feel like while we should do our duty to parents, but not at the expense of our sadhana. I am not able to avoid the pull of Bhagawan and also meditating in Periyava's samadhi. When I visit, I am able to detach from even that agitation and also come back to a renewed commitment for sadhana. Though I also realize they will be upset.

Is there a way to handle this at all?

Dear Deepaji

It is a very tricky situation balancing the views of the husband/in-laws along with one's personal sadhana ( i.e here visiting the Samadhi Shrine of Bhagwan Ramana and Kanchi Maha Swamigal etc ) . I suggest you appeal directly  to both these Mahans themselves to find out a way for you that helps u achieve what you want without upsetting your in-laws and husband . God , Gurus bless the deep and sincere prayers of their devotees .

Om Peace .

Dear Ravi,

I agree with you. As Thayumanavar said only for those who start pilgimages and visit of temples, in an orderly manner, that is
with extreme devotion, not caring for comforts on the way, only for such person who will be having the boon of a guru's
appearance to guide them further.

What I was referring to in my post, only those who go to temples and pilgrimages as if these are picnics, without any serious
devotion in heart and contemplating God all along the way. I have seen many people in Asramam, where while standing for
lunch and dinner, talking about the following:

1. I think here one gets Achi MiLagai Podi and other Podis. We shall go to the bazaar this evening.

2. I am told handloom saris are comparatively cheaper here so we can go in the evening and buy some.

3. I am also told that tomatoes and brinjals are very cheap here.

Lucy Ma who heard this, (she knows Tamizh very well) said: Have you come to T'malai only for these things. Think of Sri
Bhagavan and Bhagavan only. If you want to talk these things, go outside the Asramam and talk these things.

Arunachala Siva.

My Yoga Guru Swami Vishnu devananda ( who was a direct disciple of Swami Sivananda ) , narrated that when he was a young Sadhak in the Sivananda Ashram in Rishikesh , he found some people talking worldly things inside the Ashram and he immediately went to Swami Sivananda complaining about those people . He was expecting Swami Sivananda to appreciate him for being vigilant about such people and he was shocked when Swami Sivananda replied that "This Ashram is for such impure people to get purified and if you feel you are pure enough you can walk out of this Ashram "

Bhagwan Ramana also scolded people when they complained of others behavior in the Ashram saying "Attend to what you have come here for "

Later on Swami Vishnu devananda when he set up his Ashrams world over said that his Ashrams are like Dhobi Ghats where people come to purify themselves and while ensuring basic discipline in the Ashrams he advised the senior staffs to be quite tolerant towards people who exhibited such worldly behavior when they visited Ashrams as it is not possible for a person to make a 180 degree shift in his behavior in a single / few visits to an Ashram .

So next time when we visit a temple / ashram and find such worldly behavior by people ,instead of having an attitude of "Holier than thou" we must either remember Bhagwan's Advice "Attend to what you have come " or Swami Sivananda's Advice "If you are pure enough , you are not needed here "

Om Peace .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: February 08, 2013, 06:09:54 PM »

Pointer- 4


Among a collection of many kinds of small seeds, it is impossible to detect and remove the thorn-seeds.
Only after all the seeds have sprouted in the form of plants is it possible to detect the thorn-plants, and thereby to pluck them out and throw them away.

Similarly, only if all the tendencies or vasanas which are hiding in the heart sprout out in the form of thoughts during the time of your meditation, will it be possible to destroy them by the practice of Self-inquiry. Hence, the rising of thoughts during the time of meditation is good.

Note: Compare Maharshi's Gospel, Page 19, where Sri Bhagavan says:

“Yes, all kinds of thoughts arise in meditation. That is only right; for what lies hidden in you is brought out. Unless it rises up, how can it be destroyed?”

The tendencies (vasanas) are the seeds, and the thoughts that rise are the plants.

The Grace of God or Guru is the water that makes the vasanas sprout in the form of thoughts. (here we can see how attention is itself a Light which lights up darkened corners of our minds)
Then in order to destroy those thoughts, which exist in the form of desires, that same Grace crushes them by the power of the clear discrimination that it bestows upon us.
Therefore, until you achieve victory in this war of Grace, do not become disheartened and give up your meditation.

All thoughts that we have cultivated due to our worldly desires in many former lives when we did not possess proper discrimination, have been accumulated in our heart in the form of very powerful tendencies (vasanas).

Those vasanas exist in the form of likes and dislikes, and they will be destroyed only to the extent to which we abide firmly in the Self.

Note: Compare Who am I? (Nan Yar?), paragraph 10, where Sri Bhagavan says,

“Although tendencies toward sense-objects (vishaya-vasanas), which have been coming from the ancient past, rise without limit like the waves of the ocean, they will all be destroyed when Self-attention (swarupa-dhyana) becomes more and more intense.”
- SADHU OM in 'Sadhanai Saram'

Here is the thread where you can discuss about what you read here :

It is called Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussion

General Discussion / Re: A Request to all Forum Members:
« on: February 07, 2013, 07:03:56 AM »
Subramaniam Sir

I have passed on your request to a couple of friends of mine , relatives who frequent Bangalore a lot and who have lot of friends / relatives there . I have shared your message directly with you cell no and have made it known that you are a Ramana Devotee and a retired person .
I have also requested that they can directly contact you over cell or contact me by email and I will forward the same to you .
Let us see how this works .

Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: February 06, 2013, 01:21:12 PM »

Happy to note that the tumor is non cancerous .Anyway we need to continue with the prayers so that he comes back completely cured and back to normal health . Keep us updated about his progress .
Om Peace .

General Discussion / Nityasree is back
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:22:11 PM »
The Nightingale is back! Way to go, Nithyasree!

Feb.3, Sunday evening was special at The Music Academy Madras/Chennai. For, it was a special concert to celebrate Sri Thyagaraja as an aradhana. Special by two well known vocalists - S Sowmya and Nityashree Mahadevan. Special because Nityashree came on stage a month after she bore a personal tragedy - losing her husband. And the wonderfulness of this concert was the free spirit, verve and passion with which Nityashree performed this evening. With that trademark smile and expressive eyes." (courtesy: Kutcheri Buzz)
Sometimes our light goes out but is blown into flame by another human being. Each of us owes deepest thanks to those who have rekindled the light. ~ Albert Schweitzer


They - Sowmya and Nithyasree - may be competitors alright but the picture above (courtesy: Kutcheri Buzz) clearly shows the basic human warmth and camaraderie between the two singers.  Kudos to Sowmya for having shared the stage with Nithyasree yesterday.  The first outing when you stage a comeback after a personal tragedy is the most difficult one and a little bit of support at that critical juncture, is of immense help indeed.


Nithyasree, by bouncing back so soon, has proved that it is all about regenerative capability really because as somebody said "the issue is not simply surviving difficult times, or about emerging stronger, more capable, and wiser than before - it is about having your regenerative capabilities so that you can take advantage of newer opportunities and finally store the capacity to deal with yet another, inevitable downturn that is waiting beyond the bend."

May Nithyasree go from strength to strength now and may she bless us all with her divine music! Here's wishing her all the very best!

Ashrams / Re: travel to Thiruvannamalai
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:13:38 PM »
Congrats Sanjay on successfully completing your maiden Arunachala / Ramana Ashram trip . Thanks also for sharing the beautiful pictures of Arunachala .

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: February 04, 2013, 07:06:28 PM »
Dear Nagaraj

I will do my best to support the healing / recovery of your cousin through my daily prayers .In fact I am writing this after finishing my evening prayers . I have full faith in the power of prayers especially collective prayers and I will do my best to contribute in the collective healing .
BTW last month I opened a separate thread on Adi Shankara's Vaidyanatha Ashtakam and I have given the youtube links as well as the text and meaning of the same .It is a very powerful hymn addressed to Lord Vaithyanantha to heal any form of aliments . I suggest all the people in your family chant the same .
Here is the link to the thread on Sri Vaidyanatha Ashtakam .

Sri Vaidyanatha Ashtakam - for removal of fear of death and cure of diseases

General Discussion / Re: sandhyA vandanam - Discussion
« on: February 03, 2013, 08:11:48 PM »
dear Friends,
I have one query .As office goers we come very late say around 8 PM also.What is the latest time one can perform the evening Sandhyavandanam.
Anand .

Sandhya Vandanam is a Nitya Karma and ideal is to do it at the correct time but when you cant do it at the correct time the rule is : better late than never .

As an alternative to Sandhya Vandanam I feel one can Chant Aditya Hridyam daily twice ad it can be done while traveling also as the Sun God is always visible and all u need is to look at the sun in the morning and evening and chant Aditya Hridyam .

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