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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 27, 2017, 08:13:59 PM »
Thanks Sri.Ravi for your inputs

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 24, 2017, 02:41:23 PM »
SUTTAVIRU
37. What exists is the plenitude of object-free jnana, which shines as unconditioned reality. The world appears as an object that is grasped by your suttarivu. Like the erroneous perception of a person with jaundice who sees everything as yellow, this entire world is a deluded view consisting wholly of a mind that has defects such as ego, deceit, desire, and so on.
Suttarivu is a key word in Muruganar?s writings. Arivu means consciousness or true knowledge, and it is often used in Tamil as an equivalent of jnana. ?Suttu? means ?pointed at?. Arivu is the true consciousness, the true knowledge that is aware of nothing other than itself. However, when attention is externalized and ?pointed at? phenomena that are assumed to be external, the trinity of seer, seeking and seen arises. This creates the idea of an individual self who sees an external real world, and while this suttarivu process is functioning, the reality of the undivided Self is hidden.
The term suttarivu comes from Saiva Siddhanta philosophy, a subject Muruganar had a strong grounding in, but it does not appear in Vedanta. The word is generally translated as ?objectifying consciousness?, ?objectified consciousness?, ?objective knowledge? or ?relative knowledge?, but since these terms are a little abstract and do not fully convey this process whereby the externalizing of attention brings about duality, we have retained the Tamil word suttarivu in many of the verses.
[A note from the authors]
- GVK

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 24, 2017, 12:44:01 PM »
IVE IN THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU ARE THE REALITY
Q. How can one quicken this coming of realization?
A. As one strives to know the true ?I? the attachment to objects, the bad and degrading thoughts gradually drop off. The more one does not forget the Self, the more do elevating qualities become ours. Realization will come eventually.
Q. Why does an Upanishad say, ?He whom the Atman chooses, to him alone does It reveal Itself, not to others?? Does not this seem arbitrary?
A. No. It is correct. It chooses those only who devote themselves to It, who become Its devotees. It draws such devotees inwards to Itself. One must turn inward to find the Atman. He who thinks of It, It will draw to Itself.
All such thoughts as ?Attainment is hard? or ?Self-realization is far from me?, or ?I have got many difficulties to overcome to know the Reality?, should be given up, as they are obstacles; they are created by this false self, ego. They are untrue.
Do not doubt that you are the Reality; live in that understanding. Never question it by referring your realization of it to some future time. It is because people are victimized and hypnotized by such false thoughts that the Gita says that few out of millions realize the Self.
Conscious Immortality

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 22, 2017, 09:31:58 AM »


DESTRUCTION OF VASANAS
The nature of thoughts that arise in the mind will be in accordance with the old vasanas.
Vasanas themselves are the mind. If there are no vasanas there is no mind. That which Is, is sat.
The disturbing agitation of mind that occurs when one attempts to get firmly established in sadhana is a normal occurrence that is prompted by the rising of vasanas.
If at that time you hold tightly to the power of the grace of the parasakti that has possessed you (the inner feeling for the ?I?-am) the vasanas that agitate your mind and distress you will be completely destroyed.
Unless the destruction of all vasanas is accomplished, it will not be possible even for Ishwara to bestow the state of liberation.
- Padamalai

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 21, 2017, 11:27:14 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: May 14, 2017, 02:50:09 PM »
Plunge into Sadhana. Start it from today. Regular meditation alone will give you the actual realization of the Atman. Get up in the early morning and meditate. Withdraw the mind and the senses from the world. Direct the gaze within. Do Japa. Pray. There is a great spiritual power in the Lord's name. Have faith. Practise. You will yourself realize this. Be regular in your Japa. Meditation will come by itself. The Lord will lead you along the royal road to His lotus-feet. Cling to the divine name. It is the supreme saviour in this Kali Yuga (present age)~Swami Sivananda

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 12, 2017, 10:45:20 PM »
Usually, we could not tell if Bhagavan was asleep or awake, though in reality he was always awake ? awake to the Self. How he managed to remain in that unbroken state of universal awareness and still functioned in a limited, physical form remains a mystery. We cannot understand that state. In spite of his exalted state, he interacted with us at our level. He took considerable interest in the functioning of the Ashram and the accommodation of visitors.
His actions were spontaneous and natural, and by watching him we learnt how to live in the world. His example was the greatest teaching, and his divine presence far out-weighted a lifetime of strenuous sadhana. Just to think of him or sit in his presence used to raise us to higher levels of blessedness.
He understood human frailty and was determined to teach us how to transcend it, not dwell upon it.
- Balarama Reddy, 'My Reminiscences'

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: May 04, 2017, 10:18:36 PM »
Dear Orihih

One thing with doing Japa is that if done in excess without proper preparation of the mind( i.e there should be more sattva in the mind )  then you will get these sort of experiences .Doing normally one round of  Japa ( 108 beads ) in morning and one round in evening will not cause much mental disturbances but when suddenly you do in excess of Japa in one sitting then these sort of experiences are likely to happen as all the subconscious stuff will be ejected out .  In the Sivananda System of Yoga where I got trained they divided all forms of sadhana in tow types daily and intense and daily sadhana you do in your own house along with your other activities like attending to family , work etc etc but when it comes to doing Intense sadhana be it Japa , Pranayama , Hatha Yoga , Scriptural study , etc etc then they advise you to move to an ashram like environment  where the atmosphere is very conducive for doing intense sadhana and your whole body and mind in an ashram environment will be purified a lot and you will be able to carry on Intense sadhana more easily without these sort of distractions .Plus you need to have a proper mentor to guide you through this process . Many people end up in problems doing intense sadhana ( like Japa , Pranayama , Hatha Yoga etc etc ) on their own just by reading books .So my suggestion to you is to slow down your Japa sadhana for the time being ,watch the sensations and slowly keep building them up step by step .I do not know whether I have clarified your doubt but I wrote this based on my own experience and also from the guidance I got from the teachers at my Yoga Ashram .

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General Discussion / Re: Swami Sivananda's Teachings and Quotes
« on: May 01, 2017, 12:09:38 PM »
Gayatri Japa

by Swami Sivananda ? In The divine Life Society

"Let us meditate on Isvara and His Glory who has created the Universe, who is fit to be worshipped, who is the remover of all sins and ignorance. May he enlighten our intellect. "
The aspirant prays to Mother Gayatri, "O Beloved Mother! At the present moment I have taken my body as the self owing to Avidya or ignorance, through my impure intellect. Give me a pure intellect which will enable me to know my real nature. Give me light and knowledge. "
This is the Brahma-Gayatri Mantra. Gayatri is the 'Blessed Mother' of Vedas. There is no milk superior to cow's milk. Even so there is no Mantra superior to Gayatri. As Omkara or Pranava is for Sannyasins, so is Gayatri for Brahmacharis and householders. The fruits that are attained by meditation on Omkara can be attained by meditation on Gayatri. The same goal that is reached by a Paramahamsa Sannyasin can be reached by a Brahmachari or a householder by meditating on Gayatri.
Get up at 4 a. m. in Brahmamuhurta and start Japa and meditation on Gayatri (Panchmukhi or five-faced Devi seated in lotus flower), sitting on Padmasana, Siddhasana or Virasana, facing North or East.
Burn incense in the room. In summer you can take a bath. In winter you can simply wash your face, hands and feet and do achamana only. Continue the Japa for two hours or more.
Have another sitting at night between 7 and 8 p. m. Constantly feel that you are receiving light, purity and wisdom from Gayatri. This is important. Keep the image of the Gayatri at the Trikuti, the space between the eye-brows by closing the eyes and concentrate there, or keep the image in the lotus of the heart and concentrate there.
You will have Darshan of Gayatri.
It is better if you do Japa of Gayatri 3000 to 4000 times daily. Your heart will be purified rapidly. If you are not able to do this number, you can do 1008 times daily. If you find it difficult to do this number also, do at least 108 times daily, 36 times at sunrise, 36 times at noon, 36 times at sunset.
There is special, mysterious spiritual force or wonderful magnetic power at Sandhi or junction of the time, sunrise and sunset. The mind will be elevated quickly. It will be filled with Sattva.
Concentration will come by itself without any effort at this time.
If you find it difficult to get up at Brahmamuhurta, get up before sunrise & Performa the Gayatri Mantra .
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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 22, 2017, 04:40:33 PM »
ANNAMALAI SWAMI ? FINAL TALKS
Annamalai Swami: Bhagavan watched me very closely in the years that I served him in the ashram. One time I went to the Mother's temple where many people were talking about worldly matters.
Bhagavan called me back, saying, 'Why should you go to that crowd? Don't go to crowded places. If you move with the crowd, their vasanas will infect you.'
Bhagavan always encouraged me to live a solitary life and not mix with other people. That was the path he picked for me. Other people got different advice that was equally good for them.
But while he actively discouraged me from socializing, he also discouraged me from sitting quietly and meditating during the years that I was working in the ashram. In this period of my life, if Bhagavan saw me sitting with my eyes closed he would call out to me and give me some work to do.
On one of these occasions he told me,
'Don't sit and meditate. It will be enough if you don't forget that you are the Self. Keep this in your mind all the time while you are working. This sadhana will be enough for you.
The real sadhana is not to forget the Self. It is not sitting quietly with one's eyes closed. You are always the Self. Just
don't forget it.'

Bhagavan's way does not create a war between the mind and the body. He does not make people sit down and fight the mind with closed eyes. Usually, when you sit in meditation, you are struggling to achieve something, fighting to gain control over the mind. Bhagavan did not advise us to engage in this kind of fight. He told us that there is no need to engage in a war against the mind, because mind does not have any real, fundamental existence. This mind, he said, is nothing but a shadow. He advised me to be continuously aware of the Self while I did the ordinary things of everyday life, and in my case, this was enough.
p. 67

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AFTER SPENDING about twelve years in personal attendance on Bhagavan, I began to feel an urge to devote myself entirely to sadhana, spending my time all alone. However, I could not easily reconcile myself to the idea of giving up my personal service to Bhagavan. I had been debating the matter for some days when the answer came in a strange way. As I entered the hall one day I heard Bhagavan explaining to others who were there that real service to him did not mean attending to his physical needs but following the essence of his teaching: that is concentrating on realizing the Self. Needless to say, that automatically cleared my doubts.

I therefore gave up my Ashram duties, but I then found it hard to decide how in fact I should spend the entire day in search of Realization. I referred the matter to Bhagavan and he advised me to make Self-enquiry my final aim, but to practice Self-enquiry, meditation, japa and recitation of scripture turn by turn, changing over from one to another as and when I found the one I was doing irksome or difficult. In course of time, he said, the sadhana would become stabilised in Self-enquiry or pure Consciousness or Realization.

This is the Key

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 19, 2017, 08:31:58 PM »
Thanks Ravi for your detailed replies .

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 19, 2017, 05:59:15 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: April 19, 2017, 05:54:51 PM »
"When the man is ripe for receiving the instruction and his mind is about to sink into the Heart, the instruction imparted works in a flash and he realises the Self all right. Otherwise, there is always the struggle."
(Bhagavan in 'Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi', Talk 275)

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General Discussion / Re: Suggestions for Baby Girl Name
« on: April 17, 2017, 09:03:27 PM »
Dear Nobody

Pl see Sri Lalitha Sahasranamam


 http://stotraratna.sathyasaibababrotherhood.org/g7.htm

Dear Balaji

Thanks for the links to the Thousand names of Mother Goddess .

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