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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 22, 2013, 01:41:36 PM »
and as regards Aurobindo ... he being not liberated, he does not belong to the list anyways.

But Aurobindo never claimed to be part of any list . He had his own independent approach and we have to see him in that respect only .

General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 12:12:54 PM »
I am not sure Aurobindo was liberated!

What do you mean by liberation?

Match started again . Very Interesting  :)

General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 10:00:07 AM »
Since the qualities of a student on spiritual path are discussed , I am giving below an excellent piece from Sri Aurobindo on the same .

Essays on The Gita First series Chapter IV - The Core of the Teaching
 by  Sri Aurobindo

Therefore it is a mistake to interpret the Gita from the standpoint of the mentality of today and force it to teach us the disinterested performance of duty as the highest and all-sufficient law.

A little consideration of the situation with which the Gita deals will show us that this could not be its meaning. For the whole point of the teaching, that from which it arises, that which compels the disciple to seek the Teacher, is an inextricable clash of the various related conceptions of duty ending in the collapse of the whole useful intellectual and moral edifice erected by the human mind. In human life some sort of a clash arises fairly often, as for instance between domestic duties and the call of the country or the cause, or between the claim of the country and the good of humanity or some larger religious or moral principle. An inner situation may even arise, as with the Buddha, in which all duties have to be abandoned, trampled on, flung aside in order to follow the call of the Divine within. I cannot think that the Gita would solve such an inner situation by sending Buddha back to his wife and father and the government of the Sakya State, or would direct a Ramakrishna to become a Pundit in a vernacular school and disinterestedly teach little boys their lessons, or bind down a Vivekananda to support his family and for that to follow dispassionately the law or medicine or journalism. The Gita does not teach the disinterested performance of duties but the following of the divine life, the abandonment of all dharmas, sarvadharman, to take refuge in the Supreme alone, and the divine activity of a Buddha, a Ramakrishna, a Vivekananda is perfectly in consonance with this teaching. Nay, although the Gita prefers action to inaction, it does not rule out the renunciation of works, but accepts it as one of the ways to the Divine. If that can only be attained by renouncing works and life and all duties and the call is strong within us, then into the bonfire they must go, and there is no help for it. The call of God is imperative and cannot be weighed against any other considerations.

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 20, 2013, 08:46:37 AM »
It is foolish to say that we are ignorant because somebody else did not teach us. It is our duty to learn. – Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

 “Once during a visit to the Ashram in the 1940s
I was sitting outside the Old Hall with many
devotees, facing Sri Bhagavan who was reclining
on [his] couch. A group of learned pundits were
discussing certain passages from the Upanishads
with great enthusiasm and profundity. All, including
Bhagavan, appeared to be attentively listening to
this interesting discussion when, all of a sudden,
Bhagavan rose from his couch, walked thirty meters
to the north, and stood before a villager who was
standing there looking lowly with palms joined.
Immediately the discussion stopped and all eyes
were turned to Bhagavan and the villager standing
at a distance. They appeared to be conversing, but at
such a distance no one could tell about what. Soon
Bhagavan returned to his couch and the discussion
resumed. I was curious about this villager and why
Bhagavan had gone out of his way to meet him. So
while the discussion continued, I slipped away and
caught up with him before he left the Ashram. I
asked the villager what he and Bhagavan had talked
about. He said that Bhagavan had asked him why
he was standing there so far away. ‘I told Bhagavan,
“I am only an ignorant, poor villager. How am I
to approach you who are God incarnate?”’
did the Maharshi say then?’ I asked. ‘He asked me
my name, what village I was from, what work I did
and how many children I had, etc.’
‘Did you ask
Him anything?’ ‘I asked Him how I could be saved
and how I could earn His blessings.’ ‘
What did He
tell you?’ ‘He asked me if there was a temple in my
village. I told him there was. He wanted to know
the name of the deity of that temple. I told Him the
name. He then said that I should go on repeating
the name of that deity and I would receive all the
blessings needed.’”

“I came back to Bhagavan’s presence and sat among
the devotees listening to the learned discussion, in
which I had now lost all interest, realizing that the
simple humility and devotion of this peasant had
evoked a far greater response from our Master than
any amount of learning.
I then decided that, though
a scholar by profession, I should always remain a
humble, ignorant peasant at heart, and pray, like that
villager, for Bhagavan’s grace and blessings.”


General topics / Re: Is Jnaan through sadhana or study of scriptures?
« on: March 15, 2013, 12:17:20 PM »
I am not selling my dieas, but would like to know why you do not agree with this.



No hard feelings please -- now my head is simply whirling going through this discussion of Tripura Rahasya.
:) This is the problem you land up with when you try to study some important Scriptures / Text on your own without the help of a proper Guru .

General topics / Re: Is Jnaan through sadhana or study of scriptures?
« on: March 15, 2013, 12:03:31 PM »
According to scriptures when they are highly purified they reach a "Brahma Lokha" and having reached there, they learn this truth from Brahman and then find liberation there. This is one view.

According to Swami Paramarthananda ,even if one goes to Brahma Loka ,one  has to get Brahma Vidya from Brahma and the Guru Student relationship has to be maintained and there is no escape from that  there also and hence better to get Brahma Vidya in earth itself  under a proper Guru  :)

General topics / Re: Is Jnaan through sadhana or study of scriptures?
« on: March 15, 2013, 09:13:49 AM »
Dear Kskat

Though you have addressed the question to Tushnim/Udai , I feel if you go through this link you will get some clarity to the doubts raised by you .

Given below is an excerpt from the auto biography of Swami Chaitanyananda , a Senior Direct Disciple of Swami Sivananda , who is not known much to the outside world as he maintained lot of seclusion in Uttarkashi ,Himalayas  after spending time at Sivananda Ashram ,Rishikesh and also doing Scriptural Study with Swami Tapovan .He was one of the few people  along with Swami Chinmayananda selected by Swami Sivananda to study the scriptures with Swami Tapovan in the Hiamalays . While Chinmaya came outside and started lot of Institutions to spread Vedanta world wide , Swami Chaitanyananda choose to remain in seclusion in Uttar Kashi and gave spiritual instructions and talks to only those people who came to him .
He was in the Himalayas for nearly 50 years or so and came back to the plains only in 1998 ( except for some spiritual yatra  in between where he travelled to many spiritual spots including Arunacahala etc)  and I was fortunate to meet him , get his blessings and had good personal talk with him during that time ( i.e in 1998-99) when I went for doing the Yoga Teachers Training Course at the Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Ashram in Neyyar Dam , Kerala .
So kindly go through this link below and I am sure you will have many of your doubts cleared .
Teachings (Excerpts from Chapter 7 of Swamiji's memoirs)

General topics / Re: Swami Chinmayananda collections from archive
« on: March 14, 2013, 10:50:46 AM »
Another link to download Swami Chinmayananda's Audio Talks :


    Bhaja Govindam

    Bhagavadh Gita

    Kaivalya Upanishad

    Mandokya Upanishad

    Narada Bhakthi Sutra

    Sadhana Panchakam

    Science of Sprituality (1976 Video)

    Vakya Vriti

General topics / Re: Be a sugar cube, eat a sugar cube?
« on: March 12, 2013, 01:36:12 PM »
Swami Paramarthananda is a favorite, I believe, for some of our forum members.

With regard to understanding Advaita Texts for me Swami Paramarthananda is the most favorite one .I love listening to his talks and attend his Sunday Gita Satsangs . I love also his clear and correct pronunciation of various Vedantic Texts and Stotras and in fact have developed an interest in Sanskrit Chanting after listening to his Chants and keeping it as my daily Sadhana .
Here is a link to download Swami Paramarthananda's audio lectures :

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 11, 2013, 10:12:04 PM »

General topics / Re: Man's lower nature , prakrithi , maya and Self.
« on: March 11, 2013, 05:31:30 PM »

The following youtube video on Nirvana Shaktman by Isha Music is very excellent and motivating
Nirvana Shatakam By Isha

Maha Shivaratri – The Great Night of Lord Shiva

    Maha Shivaratri is an important Hindu festival which is celebrated throughout the world with grand valor. Shivaratri, night of Lord Shiva is celebrated on the 13th or the 14th night of the new moon during Krishna Paksha in the Hindu month of Phalgun and it usually falls in February – March.

    Shivaratri has tremendous importance in Hinduism. Worshipping Lord Shiva on Shivaratri pleases lord the most. According to sacred scriptures, a devotee who worships Lord sincerely on this auspicious day is absolved of sins and attains Moksha. So, Hindu devotees all over the world celebrate it with utmost faith and galore.

    Maha Shivaratri – The Great Night of Lord Shiva


    During Shivaratri, devotees stay awake all night chanting the name of Lord Shiva. There are a number of popular legends related to this custom. Though the reasons behind worship vary, the motive is one, to “make Lord Shiva happy”.
    It is believed that on this day, Lord Shiva married Parvathi. Goddess Parvathi performed prayers on this auspicious day for well being of her husband. On this auspicious day, married women pray for the well being of their husband and children while unmarried women pray for an ideal partner. It is also believed that on this night, Lord Shiva performed the Tandav Nritya.

    Another popular legend associated with Maha Shivaratri is that of the Samudra Manthan or churning of the ocean. This explains why people stay awake all the night on Shivaratri. When devtas and asuras joined hands for the mythical samudra manthan, a pot of poison came out of the ocean. It was powerful poison and on the request of the Gods, Lord Shiva drank the poison and held it in his throat. The potent poison changed the color of His neck. That’s why Lord Shiva is also called Neelakantha. As part of the therapy, Lord Shiva was advised to awaken during the night. In an effort to keep Him awake, the Gods performed dances and played music. Pleased with their devotion, Lord Shiva blessed them all. Thus, Shivaratri is celebrated as the day when Lord Shiva saved the universe.

    Legend of Shivalinga is another popular fable associated with Shivaratri. According to the story, Brahma and Vishnu searched hard to discover the Aadi (beginning) and the Antha (end) of Lord Shiva. On this auspicious night, Lord Shiva manifested himself in the form of linga to reveal that there is no beginning or end to his being.

    Legend of Ganga is another popular legend. As per this story, on this day, Holy River Ganga descended from the heavens to earth with full force and Lord Shiva held out his thick matted hair to the river Ganga and the meandering through Shiva’s lock softened Ganga’s journey to the earth.

    Many stories are associated with the Maha Shivaratri festival. The most famous story is of the hunter. A hunter unknowingly dropped bael leaves on Shivalinga and attained Moksha. While hunting in the forest, Suswara the hunter shot a deer but could not return home as night fell on the forest. O pass the night, he climbed a bael tree. He kept awake whole night because of hunger and thirst. He shed tears thinking about his wife and children who would starve without food. To divert his mind, he engaged himself in plucking bael leaves and dropping them.

    This was happened on Shivaratri. There had been a Shiva Lignum under the tree and unknowingly, he worshipped Lord Shiva all the night. Moreover, he had fasted all day and night. Thus he received salvation. This fable was narrated by, Bhishma, discoursing on Dharma whilst resting on the bed of arrows while referring to the observance of Mahashivaratri by King Chitrabhanu. King Chitrabhanu of the Iksvaku dynasty was the hunter, Suswara, in his previous birth.

    Shivaratri in India

    Hindu devotees from across the country celebrated Maha Shivaratri with ritual bathing and prayers. Many devotees observe a strict fast on this day. Night long Shivarathri vigil is celebrated by singing hymns and songs on lord Shiva and devotees break fast only in the following morning by consuming Prasad offered to the lord.

    On this auspicious day, devotees throng Shiva temples. In the north, devotees can perform the Shivalinga Pooja. First they circumambulate the Shivalinga, three or seven times, and then pour water over it. Some also pour milk. Sounds of bells and shouts of ‘Shankarji ki Jai’ or (Hail Shiva) reverberate in the temple premises.

    Some of the famous Lord Shiva temples in India include Kashi Vishwanath Temple in Uttar Pradesh, Kedarnath Temple in Uttarakhand, Amarnath Temple in Jammu and Kashmir, Somnath Temple in Gujarat, Lingaraj Temple in Bhubaneshwar Orissa, Murudeshwar Temple in Karnataka, Srikalahasti Temple and Srisailam Temple in Andhra Pradesh and Ramanathaswamy Temple in Rameswaram.

    In temples, throughout the night, Shivalinga is worshipped and every three hours, shivalingam is given a special abhisheka with milk, yogurt, honey, sandalwood paste and rose water. Chanting of “Om Namah Shivaya” accompany the Pooja. After ritual bath, Shivalinga is decorated with garlands especially with Bilwa leaves. Bael leaves are considered very sacred and it is said that Goddess Lakshmi resides in them.

    Shiva Mahimna Stotra" of Pushpadanta or Ravana's "Shiva Tandava Stotra on various hymns in praise of Lord Shiva is sung with great devotion and fervor. It is believed that who utters the Panchakshara mantra during Shivarathri with full devotion is freed from all sins.

    “Om Hara Hara Mahadevaa”

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