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THE DOOR TO GOD IS OPEN, BUT THE LINTEL IS VERY LOW.
TO ENTER, ONE HAS TO BEND


Two women came from Kumbakonam to meet Bhagavan. One of them was a guru and the other her disciple. They were leaving by train the same evening. In the afternoon the disciple brought her guru into the Hall and made an elaborate seat for her in front of Bhagavan. Every now and then the disciple would go up to Bhagavan's sofa and whisper. "In everything, she is just like you, Swami...she is in the same state as yourself.... Please let us have your blessings.... Will you teach us briefly the path of salvation? What is attachment? How to be free from Maya?" She was going on like this for quite a long time. Bhagavan never replied. Evening was nearing. The disciple felt hurt. "Swami, please instruct us...Swami, proceed with initiation quickly, it is getting late.... Be quick, Swami. You know we have to catch the train. Hurry!" The poor lady was getting desperate. "At least tell us something. They all speak of ignorance, what is ignorance?" Bhagavan turned to Muruganar and, in his mercy, said: "Ask her to inquire within. Who is ignorant?" Muruganar told them: "Now you go, your initiation is over." And they went away.

Bhagavan talked about it later: "Everything must be done in a hurry. Everybody has some train to catch. They visit Swami in a rush and want to carry away a parcel of liberation. They read something here and there and think they are quite learned." (Whenever there was a chance to snub our ego, Bhagavan would never miss it). He continued: "Before the people come here, everyone has the most sincere desire to work for his own liberation, but when they settle down, the ego goes to their heads and they forget why they came. They imagine they are doing me great service by feeding me and think altogether too much of themselves. The feeling of self-importance that they have when they serve their guru destroys their hope of enlightenment. Only humility can destroy the ego. The ego keeps you far away from God. The door to God is open, but the lintel is very low. To enter one has to bend.

- SHANTAMMA, in Ramana Smriti

1787
Ashrams / Re: travel to Thiruvannamalai
« on: January 21, 2013, 09:17:42 AM »
Sanjay all the best for your maiden Arunachala trip .
Om Peace .

1788
Dear Krishnan,

I could locate my copy of Enanthu NinaivugaL by Kunju Swami, the English translation is titled Living with the Master.

Kunju Swmi was born in Jan 1897 in a village between Palakkad and Chittoor (not Andhra Chittoor). He came to
Sri Bhagavan in 1920. He attained videha kaivalyam in August 1992, in his ninety fifth year.

Arunachala Siva.

Subramaniam Sir

At last the correct DOB of Kunju Swami was got and I know where the problem came . In the earlier link the DOB was wrongly given as 1887 and that made me wonder whether he lived for 105 years .Now I am clear that he was born in 1897 and he lived for 95 years .

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General topics / Re: Subrahmanya Bhujangam by Adi Sankara
« on: January 19, 2013, 08:15:09 PM »
Thanks Subramaniam Sir for posting this wonderful hymn by Adi Shankara .

I am giving below the youtube link for the same rendered by Bombay Sisters :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCl_yMKukDU

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Humour / Re: Funny pictures,quotes,videos...
« on: January 19, 2013, 04:40:19 PM »

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FREEDOM FROM KARMA


The purport of the statement, ‘For those who dwell in the firmament [of consciousness] there is no prarabdha,’ is that not even an iota of prarabdha will exist for those who meditate unceasingly on the subtle space of consciousness that flourishes everywhere unobstructed, and which cannot be encompassed even by the vast physical space.

Prarabdha, like a whirlwind, relentlessly agitates and spins the mind that has shrunk through the ‘I am the body’ idea. However, it cannot stir, even slightly, the limitation-free mind that shines as the extremely clear space of being-consciousness when that ego-impurity [the ‘I am the body’ idea] is destroyed by self-enquiry.

It is impossible for the jiva who has become a victim of ego-delusion to overcome even slightly the force of prarabdha. Therefore, unless he subsides in the Heart by relying primarily on God’s grace, he can never, by mere effort, which is the activity of the rising ego, overcome the buffeting momentum of that prarabdha, subside by himself [in the Heart], attain Self-realisation and be freed from fear-causing delusion.

No one can do anything that is opposed to the ordinance of the Supreme Lord who possesses unlimited power and who can do anything. Therefore, to end the illusory anxieties of the mind, which engender an evil discontent, the proper course is to remain under the spell of supreme consciousness, which arises from meditating on the divine feet, with the mischief of the ego subdued.

Siva shines within each jiva as a witness, [enabling] him [the jiva] to experience his prarabdha through his [Siva’s] presence. Whoever knows his nature to be mere being-consciousness, without imagining through ignorance that he is the experiencer of prarabdha, shines as that supreme person, Siva.

  Guru Vachaka Kovai (697, 698, 300, 1191, 151) 

1792
Dear Atmavichar100,

You wrote about Aksharamanamalai and Tiruppugzh verses. I propose to write the gist of that book, soon.

Arunachala Siva.

Sure Subramaniam Sir

Hoping to get the inputs of the same from you .

1793
Tushnim , Subramaniam Sir

Appreciate your comments . Each and every individual relate to Bhagwan differently . Some are attached to the form of Bhagwan ( his picture ) ,some to his teachings , some to the Institution i.e Ramana Ashram ( in his absence they feel that is the place where one can feel his presence most ) and some a combination of all the above  .
For me Bhagwan's life is itself a great teaching and the book "Living by the Words of Bhagwan " and "Power of Presence " are equal to Upanishads  of course Bahgwan's Tamil Works like Ashara Mana Malai are equal to Vedic Hymns .

1794
Dear All

I have opened a separate thread  "Pointers from Bhagwan - For Reading Only " .
The link to the same is given below :
http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7564.0
That is only for contemplative reading and reflection .This thread is to discuss / pass comments on what has been read in the other thread .
Om Peace .

1795
Dear All

I just wanted  to open a thread about certain select pointers from Bahgwan's life , Bhagwan's teachings and Devotees experience with Bhagwan  that I get as updates regularly from some sites related to Bhagwan .This thread is only for contemplative reading and I will open another thread for discussions on the same .


Here is the thread where you can discuss about what you read here :

It is called Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussion
http://www.arunachala-ramana.org/forum/index.php?topic=7565.0

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THE POWER OF THE PRESENCE OF A JNANI

One day when I was sitting by the side of Sri Bhagavan, I felt so miserable that I put the following question to him: ‘Is the sankalpa [wish] of the jnani not capable of warding off the destinies of the devotees?’

Bhagavan smiled and said: ‘Does the jnani have a sankalpa at all? The jivanmukta can have no sankalpas whatsoever. It is just impossible.’

I continued: ‘Then, what is the fate of all of us who pray to you to have grace on us and save us? Will we not be benefited or saved by sitting in front of you or coming to you? What use is there then for family men like me to gain by coming here to you?’

Bhagavan turned graciously to me and said: ‘Just as a trouble (or arrow) that comes to destroy the head goes away carrying with it only the turban, so a person’s bad karma will be considerably reduced while he is in the presence of a jnani. A jnani has no sankalpa but his sannidhi [presence] is the most powerful force. He need not have sankalpa but his presiding presence, the most powerful force, can do wonders, save souls, give peace of mind, even liberation to ripe souls. Your prayers are not answered by him but absorbed by his presence. His presence saves you, wards off the karma and gives you the boons as the case may be, involuntarily. The jnani does save the devotees, but not by sankalpa, which is non-existent in him, only through his presiding presence, sannidhi.’
(The Mountain Path, 1968 p. 236)

1796
Dear atmavichar100,

This book was published to celebrate the Skanda Sashti by the Murugan TiruvaruL Sangam, Tiruvallikeni, Chennai 600 005,
in the year 2010. It is almost three years old. My wife brought it in Bangalore, when Bangalore Group celebrated the same festival
in 2010.  You can contact:

Murugan TiruvaruL Sangam
101/50 Big Street,
Tiruvallikeni, Chennai 600 005.

The book is free of cost. You may get it, if copies are available with them.

Arunachala Siva,   
Subramaniam Sir
Thanks  for the information .
Have you read that book and can you share the feedback on the same .


1797
I came across this post on the net but there is no reference as to where to get the book . If anyone can find out where the above book can be got ,it would be very helpful .

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Dear Anbargal,

Sub:  Akshara Manamalayil Thiruppugazh Malargal – Book Review

Though Arunagirinathar, the author of Thiruppugazh and Sri Ramana
Maharshi, a towering spiritual order aimed at one destination, they
differed in their perspectives and the methods to be adopted.  Ramana
Maharshi followed the path of Jnana and viewed Self as the reflection
of Brahman within (Advaita). Arunagirinathar followed the path of
devotion which admitted duality.  While Ramana Maharshi remained all
through his life in the surroundings of Arunachala, Arunagirinathar
went on a long pilgrimage in South India and beyond.  While   the
former was noted for his silence, the latter was noted for his
eloquence.

But the points of difference that distance them are few and the points
that unites them are more; says Smt. Santha Rajan and Sri Sundara
Rajan, who have brought out a wonderful book titled, “Aksharamana
Malayil Thiruppugazh Malargal”.
They have taken Maharshi’s
Aksharamana Malai as the subject of their research and established the
fact that all the 108 verses of Akshara Manamalai have many things in
common with Thiruppugazh.  Against each verse of Akshara Manamalai,
they quoted some songs either from Thiruppugazh, Alamgaram or
Anuboothi that contained the same message.
  The songs contain
references to various aspects of spirituality like self-realisation,
devotion, ego and anger as the obstacle.   It takes us to a new world
of knowledge and devotion.

When someone asked Maharshi about Adi Sankara’s influence on his
teachings, Maharshi said that what he had spoken or written were the
result of his own experience.  Similarly, we find that many aspects of
truth which Maharshi said has tallied with what Arunagirinathar had
said many years ago.

Rajans should be congratulated for bringing out a twin volume that at
once gives  the words of wisdom emanated from Ramana Maharshi and the
beautiful verses of devotion that flowed from Arunagirinathar.   There
are some excellent colour photos of Muruga, Ganesa, Adi Sankara,
Kanchi Maha Swamigal, Sri Bharathi Theertha Swamigal of Sringeri,
Ramana Maharshi, Arunagirinathar, Sri Sachidananda Swamigal, Seshadri
Swamigal, Pamban Swamigal and an overview of Arunachaleswar temple.
The book has been well researched, beautifully  written and
excellently presented.   We look forward many such brilliant
expositions from Rajans. Readers would find this a treasure of immense
value and those interested may contact Sri Sundararajan at
yesye...@yahoo.com.

V.S. Krishnan
www.thiruppugazh.org

1798
Dear atrnavichar100,

Did I not tell you that he lived only up to his nineties and merged with Sri Bhagavan? He lived up to 105 years is definitely incorrect.

Arunachala Siva.

Sure Subramaniam Sir

But as there is no confirmed DOB of Kunju Swami and the only given DOB is  1887 in the link provided .Even now David Godman has not given his exact DOB and only said that 1887 is wrong .
So anyway I had this query after re-reading about Kunju Swami yesterday in the book Power of Presence .

1799
The following is the reply I got from David Godman on Kunju Swami's DOB query

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1887 is definitely wrong.
He arrived at Tiruvannamalai in the early 1920s when he himself was in his early 20s. He was probably around 92 when he passed away in Ramanasramam.


Best Wishes      David Godman

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Subramaniam Sir

I have just posted an email to David Godman to confirm exactly Kunju Swami's DOB . Only yesterday I went through his life as mentioned in Power of Presence but there is no mention of his DOB . Among Bhagwan's  earliest devotees he was one of the longest living one's I suppose .

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