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D : Should we not find out the ultimate reality of the world as individual and God?

B : These are conceptions of the ‘I’. They arise only after the advent of the ‘I’-thought. Did you think of them in deep sleep? Yet you existed in sleep, and the same ‘you’ is speaking now. If they were real, would they not exist in your sleep also? They are dependent on the ‘I’-thought. Again, does the world tell you: ‘I am the world’? Does the body say: ‘I am the body’? You say: ‘This is the world’ ‘this is the body’, and so on. So these are only your conceptions. Find out who you are, and that will be the end of all doubts.

D : What becomes of the body after realisation? Does it continue to exist or not? We see realised people performing actions like other people.

B.: This question need not worry you now. You can ask it after realisation if you feel like it. As for realised beings, let them take care of themselves. Why do you worry about them? In fact, after realisation, neither the body nor anything else will appear different from the Self.

D : If we are always Being-Consciousness-Bliss, why does God place us in difficulties? Why did He create us?

B.: Does God come and tell you that He placed you in difficulties? It is you who say so. It is the false ‘I’ again. If that disappears, there will be no one to say that God created this or that. That which is, does not even say ‘I am’. For does any doubt arise that ‘I am not?’ Only if a doubt arose whether one was a cow or a buffalo would one have to remind oneself that one is not an animal but a man; but this never happens. It is the same with one’s own existence and realization.

Self-enquiry, Teachings of Ramana Maharshi in his own words.

Here is the thread where you can discuss about what you read here :
It is called Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussion

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 30, 2013, 10:04:23 AM »
What is the use of expounding the profound philosophical truths to people who are not prepared to put in practice even the tenets of Samanya Dharma (such as speaking the truth, observing Ahimsa etc.). Remember that it is Samanya Dharma that underlines the essential humaneness in every human. Hence never let go of Samanya Dharma. – Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

General topics / Re: Tamil Scriptures
« on: March 29, 2013, 09:45:26 PM »
 "வள்ளலார் பாடுகிறார்....

கல்லார்க்கும் கற்றவர்க்கும் களிப்பருளும் களிப்பே
காணார்க்கும் கண்டவர்க்கும் கண்ணளிக்கும் கண்ணே
வல்லார்க்கும் மாட்டார்க்கும் வரமளிக்கும் வரமே
மதியார்க்கும் மதிப்பவர்க்கும் மதிகொடுக்கும் மதியே
நல்லார்க்கும் பொல்லார்க்கும் நடுநின்ற நடுவே
நரர்களுக்கும் சுரர்களுக்கும் நலங்கொடுக்கும் நலமே
எல்லார்க்கும் பொதுவில்நடம் இடுகின்ற சிவமே
என்அரசே யான்புகலும் இசையும்அணிந் தருளே

இறைவன் எல்லாவற்றிற்கும் பொதுவாக இருக்கிறான். படித்தவன், படிக்காதவன், வல்லவன், இளைத்தவன், தன்னை மதிப்பவன், தன்னை மதிக்காதவன் நல்லவன், பொல்லாதவன் என்று அனைத்திற்கும் சாட்சியாக நடுவில் நிற்கிறான்."

Kanchi Paramacharya on Form / Formless Shiva


Pointer - 9

D: The Upanishads say, I am told, that he alone knows
the Atman whom the Atman chooses. Why should
the Atman choose at all? If it chooses, why some
particular person?

M: When the sun rises, some buds alone blossom, not
all. Do you blame the sun for that? Nor can the bud
blossom of itself, it requires the sunlight to do it.

D: May we not say that the help of the Atman is needed
because it is the Atman that drew over itself the veil
of maya?

M: You may say so.

D: If the Atman has drawn the veil over itself, should it
not itself remove the veil?

M: It will do so. See for whom is the veil.

D: Why should I? Let the Atman itself remove the veil!

M: If the Atman talks about the veil, then the Atman
itself will remove it.

Maharshi’s Gospel

Here is the thread where you can discuss about what you read here :
It is called Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussion

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 29, 2013, 09:25:28 AM »
Swami Sivananda's writings are always a favourite of mine.As I said that the Pocket Book-Light Power and wisdom is one of my favourites.This is all that is required for any ardent seeker.
A free download of the book "Light ,Power and Wisdom " by Swami Sivananda can be found in this link below :

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 29, 2013, 07:05:44 AM »

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 28, 2013, 09:52:46 PM »


Yesterday some foreigners asked Mataji ( Ananda Mayi Ma )  questions.

Q: How can I get Self-Realization?

Ananda Mayi Ma: The Self is Swayam Prakash (self-illumined), so you need not do anything.

Q: But have we not to make an effort towards it?

Ma: Yes, there is a veil over the Self and you can remove it by your effort.

Q: What is the process towards this?

Ma: Do you really want it? Then will you do without questioning what I tell you?

Q: (hesitating) I came to India for this purpose and I regard Ramana Maharshi as my guru.

Ma: Then you must do exactly as He tells you. If you want Self-Realization and nothing else, you shall find a way. There is no doubt about it.

This is really the point and justifies what J.Krishnamurti said: “ If one is in dead earnest, this very seriousness becomes the guru.”

But who is in dead earnest?

'Death Must Die'

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 28, 2013, 05:23:14 PM »
Whatever wealth one loses in this world can be earned again. However, no amount of money can bring back lost time. Hence utilize time purposefully. – Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 27, 2013, 09:20:18 PM »
An excerpt from a Talk by Sage TGN:TRAINED  MIND  IS  YOUR  BEST  GURU
Thanks Ravi for sharing that .I keep reading that article from TGN's book "Practical Philosophy for Peace and Prosperity "and the above quote : Trained Mind is your best Guru has become a sort of pointer for me .
Unfortunately how to train the mind has never been taught in Schools nor at home and hence we have to learn this by trial and error .No doubt lot of Mind traning is available outside but those are very superficial ( they are more like concentration exercises ) and do not look at the mind in its holistic sense in the way our Shastras  look at the mind .
The entire Science of Yoga is about this training of Mind but later when we come to Vedanta we question even the existence of Mind . That is why Swami Sivananda combined both these Sciences together i.e  Yoga & Vedanta - Yoga for training the mind first and then Vedanta to pursue Atma Jnana with a well trained mind ( mind trained in all respects ) .
The book Mind ,Its Mysteries and Control by Swami Sivananda is a Classic book dealing with training the mind through Yoga .

General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 27, 2013, 08:56:35 PM »
Alcohol, meat, Rajasic foods, cinema, novel-reading, obscene songs, obscene sights, evil company, obscene talks will make the wheel of mind revolve very rapidly whereas fruits, Sattvic food, company of Mahatmas, study of religious books, solitude, Japa, Kirtan, concentration, meditation, enquiry of ‘Who am I?’ will slow down the wheel and eventually bring it down to a standstill.

- Swami Sivananda

General topics / Re: Search Alone ? Or choose a Master? -- Osho Talks.
« on: March 27, 2013, 10:52:39 AM »

My take is no need to delete the post . It is a good post for a continuing education for a person on the spiritual path .This is my personal opinion and rest is up to you to delete or keep it .

Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: March 26, 2013, 02:06:03 PM »
Regarding  Donation for Annadanam in Temples / Ashrams :

The inflation in essential food items ( rice , dal , cooking oil etc ) is very highly visible and we must take this in to account when making any contributions towards Annadanam in any Ashram / Temple . Some places explicitly state the  amount needed per day for Annadanam ( and change it every 3-5 years keeping the inflation in mind )  but in many places they do not fix any specific amount for the same and allow people to make whatever contributions they feel like doing .
Temples in Tamil Nadu Coming under Governmnet have special Annadanam Hundis and even Arunachaleeshwar Temple has one big Hundi for Annadanam . There are no receipts for the same and u can contribute whatever u feel like .
As regards Ashram better to ask for any specific Annadanam schemes and donate accordingly or if you feel you cant afford that amount  make a general donation .

Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: March 25, 2013, 06:00:07 PM »
I have been watching few changes in the few years I have been in Tvnmalai. People are becoming very desperate for the money, from beggars to even pujaris(with due respect).

This is common in most tourist places where there is a lot of floating visitor population .  The people who cheat you or take you for a ride know that you come once in a while and do all their disposal to cheat you or take you for a ride .

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