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Dear Ravi,

I agree with you. As Thayumanavar said only for those who start pilgimages and visit of temples, in an orderly manner, that is
with extreme devotion, not caring for comforts on the way, only for such person who will be having the boon of a guru's
appearance to guide them further.

What I was referring to in my post, only those who go to temples and pilgrimages as if these are picnics, without any serious
devotion in heart and contemplating God all along the way. I have seen many people in Asramam, where while standing for
lunch and dinner, talking about the following:

1. I think here one gets Achi MiLagai Podi and other Podis. We shall go to the bazaar this evening.

2. I am told handloom saris are comparatively cheaper here so we can go in the evening and buy some.

3. I am also told that tomatoes and brinjals are very cheap here.

Lucy Ma who heard this, (she knows Tamizh very well) said: Have you come to T'malai only for these things. Think of Sri
Bhagavan and Bhagavan only. If you want to talk these things, go outside the Asramam and talk these things.

Arunachala Siva.

My Yoga Guru Swami Vishnu devananda ( who was a direct disciple of Swami Sivananda ) , narrated that when he was a young Sadhak in the Sivananda Ashram in Rishikesh , he found some people talking worldly things inside the Ashram and he immediately went to Swami Sivananda complaining about those people . He was expecting Swami Sivananda to appreciate him for being vigilant about such people and he was shocked when Swami Sivananda replied that "This Ashram is for such impure people to get purified and if you feel you are pure enough you can walk out of this Ashram "

Bhagwan Ramana also scolded people when they complained of others behavior in the Ashram saying "Attend to what you have come here for "

Later on Swami Vishnu devananda when he set up his Ashrams world over said that his Ashrams are like Dhobi Ghats where people come to purify themselves and while ensuring basic discipline in the Ashrams he advised the senior staffs to be quite tolerant towards people who exhibited such worldly behavior when they visited Ashrams as it is not possible for a person to make a 180 degree shift in his behavior in a single / few visits to an Ashram .

So next time when we visit a temple / ashram and find such worldly behavior by people ,instead of having an attitude of "Holier than thou" we must either remember Bhagwan's Advice "Attend to what you have come " or Swami Sivananda's Advice "If you are pure enough , you are not needed here "

Om Peace .

General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: February 08, 2013, 06:09:54 PM »

Pointer- 4


Among a collection of many kinds of small seeds, it is impossible to detect and remove the thorn-seeds.
Only after all the seeds have sprouted in the form of plants is it possible to detect the thorn-plants, and thereby to pluck them out and throw them away.

Similarly, only if all the tendencies or vasanas which are hiding in the heart sprout out in the form of thoughts during the time of your meditation, will it be possible to destroy them by the practice of Self-inquiry. Hence, the rising of thoughts during the time of meditation is good.

Note: Compare Maharshi's Gospel, Page 19, where Sri Bhagavan says:

“Yes, all kinds of thoughts arise in meditation. That is only right; for what lies hidden in you is brought out. Unless it rises up, how can it be destroyed?”

The tendencies (vasanas) are the seeds, and the thoughts that rise are the plants.

The Grace of God or Guru is the water that makes the vasanas sprout in the form of thoughts. (here we can see how attention is itself a Light which lights up darkened corners of our minds)
Then in order to destroy those thoughts, which exist in the form of desires, that same Grace crushes them by the power of the clear discrimination that it bestows upon us.
Therefore, until you achieve victory in this war of Grace, do not become disheartened and give up your meditation.

All thoughts that we have cultivated due to our worldly desires in many former lives when we did not possess proper discrimination, have been accumulated in our heart in the form of very powerful tendencies (vasanas).

Those vasanas exist in the form of likes and dislikes, and they will be destroyed only to the extent to which we abide firmly in the Self.

Note: Compare Who am I? (Nan Yar?), paragraph 10, where Sri Bhagavan says,

“Although tendencies toward sense-objects (vishaya-vasanas), which have been coming from the ancient past, rise without limit like the waves of the ocean, they will all be destroyed when Self-attention (swarupa-dhyana) becomes more and more intense.”
- SADHU OM in 'Sadhanai Saram'

Here is the thread where you can discuss about what you read here :

It is called Pointers from Bhagwan - For Discussion

General Discussion / Re: A Request to all Forum Members:
« on: February 07, 2013, 07:03:56 AM »
Subramaniam Sir

I have passed on your request to a couple of friends of mine , relatives who frequent Bangalore a lot and who have lot of friends / relatives there . I have shared your message directly with you cell no and have made it known that you are a Ramana Devotee and a retired person .
I have also requested that they can directly contact you over cell or contact me by email and I will forward the same to you .
Let us see how this works .

Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: February 06, 2013, 01:21:12 PM »

Happy to note that the tumor is non cancerous .Anyway we need to continue with the prayers so that he comes back completely cured and back to normal health . Keep us updated about his progress .
Om Peace .

General Discussion / Nityasree is back
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:22:11 PM »
The Nightingale is back! Way to go, Nithyasree!

Feb.3, Sunday evening was special at The Music Academy Madras/Chennai. For, it was a special concert to celebrate Sri Thyagaraja as an aradhana. Special by two well known vocalists - S Sowmya and Nityashree Mahadevan. Special because Nityashree came on stage a month after she bore a personal tragedy - losing her husband. And the wonderfulness of this concert was the free spirit, verve and passion with which Nityashree performed this evening. With that trademark smile and expressive eyes." (courtesy: Kutcheri Buzz)
Sometimes our light goes out but is blown into flame by another human being. Each of us owes deepest thanks to those who have rekindled the light. ~ Albert Schweitzer


They - Sowmya and Nithyasree - may be competitors alright but the picture above (courtesy: Kutcheri Buzz) clearly shows the basic human warmth and camaraderie between the two singers.  Kudos to Sowmya for having shared the stage with Nithyasree yesterday.  The first outing when you stage a comeback after a personal tragedy is the most difficult one and a little bit of support at that critical juncture, is of immense help indeed.


Nithyasree, by bouncing back so soon, has proved that it is all about regenerative capability really because as somebody said "the issue is not simply surviving difficult times, or about emerging stronger, more capable, and wiser than before - it is about having your regenerative capabilities so that you can take advantage of newer opportunities and finally store the capacity to deal with yet another, inevitable downturn that is waiting beyond the bend."

May Nithyasree go from strength to strength now and may she bless us all with her divine music! Here's wishing her all the very best!

Ashrams / Re: travel to Thiruvannamalai
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:13:38 PM »
Congrats Sanjay on successfully completing your maiden Arunachala / Ramana Ashram trip . Thanks also for sharing the beautiful pictures of Arunachala .

General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: February 04, 2013, 07:06:28 PM »
Dear Nagaraj

I will do my best to support the healing / recovery of your cousin through my daily prayers .In fact I am writing this after finishing my evening prayers . I have full faith in the power of prayers especially collective prayers and I will do my best to contribute in the collective healing .
BTW last month I opened a separate thread on Adi Shankara's Vaidyanatha Ashtakam and I have given the youtube links as well as the text and meaning of the same .It is a very powerful hymn addressed to Lord Vaithyanantha to heal any form of aliments . I suggest all the people in your family chant the same .
Here is the link to the thread on Sri Vaidyanatha Ashtakam .

Sri Vaidyanatha Ashtakam - for removal of fear of death and cure of diseases

General Discussion / Re: sandhyA vandanam - Discussion
« on: February 03, 2013, 08:11:48 PM »
dear Friends,
I have one query .As office goers we come very late say around 8 PM also.What is the latest time one can perform the evening Sandhyavandanam.
Anand .

Sandhya Vandanam is a Nitya Karma and ideal is to do it at the correct time but when you cant do it at the correct time the rule is : better late than never .

As an alternative to Sandhya Vandanam I feel one can Chant Aditya Hridyam daily twice ad it can be done while traveling also as the Sun God is always visible and all u need is to look at the sun in the morning and evening and chant Aditya Hridyam .

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: January 28, 2013, 05:31:10 PM »
Dear Atmavichar,
         :) So nice. But by far, have you not come across Swamiji's views on Karma and Jnana ?



Swamiji's views is same as Adi Shankara's views only but I do not want to quote bits and pieces here with my half baked knowledge on Gita . I have kept a program of dedicated  study of Gita and once I complete it ,I will share the same here .
In fact Swami Paramarthananda said when studying Gita , keep your mouth shut   :) and do not jump with counter questions but note it down in a separate note book and keep attending the classes regularly and then after 18 chapters are over see how many of your questions are still unanswered and after the sharavanam of Gita is over then ask your questions and counter questions for mananam .
In fact he said study the Gita twice as the first time one can understand the message only superficially and the next time only one will understand the message in depth . Right now I am only in the first stage and still long way to go  :)
But anyway for my own self enrichment and clarity I am making notes of Swamiji's Class and will share here ( or in my blog ) later once I complete first 6 chapters in depth .
Om Peace

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: January 28, 2013, 12:22:32 PM »
Dear Atmavichar,
        :) If you have heard till chapter 3, that should have already clarified the role of "Karma" and "Jnana" and also cleared the common mistakes abt bhakti, karma, jnana and yoga being 4 ways to God :D


Actually I started attending from Ch-4 ( missed a few classes in between ) but beauty of Swami Paramarthananda is that he keeps regularly summarizing and always refers to previous chapters to explain the context of the current chapter under study . Though I missed previous 3 chapters , I have the audio of the same and will keep listening to it side by side . In the past I did listen to Swami Paramarthananda's talks but I just listened to it without serious self study and reflection and I listened to it in bits and pieces without serious commitment .This time I have decided to study the Complete Bhagawad Gita in all seriousness and my primary focus will be on Swami Paramartha's talks and will use Bhagwad Gita Home Study course as an additional reference . While the word  "study" will point to a sort of academic approach to self knowledge ,I consider it not just an academic  study but a sort of Jnana Yoga Satsangh . For me Swamiji's talks are not just on Gita but he talks a lot about other aspects of life and Sanathana Dharma that I feel equally enriching .
I thoroughly enjoy his talks and I hope this time I maintain my commitment to serious study and reflection of the Gita .Bhagwan Ramana has made a brilliant selection of 42 essential verses of Gita and I keep studying them side by side along with the regular study of Gita .

General Discussion / Re: Divine poetry and thoughts
« on: January 28, 2013, 11:20:24 AM »
no one in this forum has , by far, shown any interest to take shankara bhasyam and see what is being said in this regard.

I have taken the step in that direction by attending Swami Paramarthananda's  Bhagwad Gita Lectures   :) which are based on Shankara Bhashyam and right now he has started Chapter -5 and  I need to wait till all the 18 Chapters are complete to get a fairly good insight in to Self Knowledge /Self Enquiry .  :)

General Discussion / Re: 139th Thaipoosam@Vadalur, Sun 27 Jan 2013
« on: January 27, 2013, 08:48:08 PM »
The place where Saint Ramalinga Swamigal stayed at the last days was
in a place called Karunguzhi.

Subramaniam Sir

Vallar last stated at Siddhi Valagham . He stayed in Karunguzhi in the earlier days .I have been to Siddhi Valagam and also seen Karunguzhi house as well as the big Sathya Gnana Sabai .

His Magnum Opus is Arut Perum Jyothi Aghaval which is 1506 lines of pure tamil and he composed it in a single night and the original written note book is still preserved in Vadalur and I have seen it when I visited there more than 10 years back .
Today Arut Perum Jyothi Aghaval is Chanted in all Vallalar Devotees house . In fact you have shared few lines of the same .
What is Arunachala Akshra Mana Malai to Bhagwan Ramana Devotees , Arut Perum Jyothi Asghaval is to Vallalar Devotees .
Vallar's poems are quite simple but have lot of depth . He uses simple words and there is an easy flow in his poems .Unlike Bhagwan Ramana's Tamil which is quite of a higher grade and tough , Vallalar's Tamil is more simple and he used soft words .

Vallalar is very close to me but expect for his path of compassion ,I could not much understand what exactly his philosophy was .  He moved away from Saiva Siddhantha and hence incurred the wrath of Traditional Saivites plus he also incurred the Wrath of Vedic Brahmins when he questioned the method of worship at Chidambaram Temple . So he moved beyond traditional Vedic Path also .

I cannot exactly say what his is exact philosophy though  the path of compassion and feeding the poor are the core of his teachings .

Om Peace .

General Discussion / Re: 139th Thaipoosam@Vadalur, Sun 27 Jan 2013
« on: January 27, 2013, 03:43:02 PM »
Dear atmavichar100,

I know about Thai Poosam is important in Vadalur for Jyoti darsanam, I had never been to Vadalur or seen the darsnam.

Thanks for useful information.

Arunachala Siva.

Subramaniam Sir

Thai Poosam is actually famous for Lord Subramanya and all Subramanya Temples have a festive look today and are fully crowded . But Vallalar's departure from Earth on Thai Possam day is considered very special and Vadalur will be very crowded today for "Jyothi" Darshan .
What is Karthiagai deepam Jyothi for Arunachala Devotees , Thai Poosam Jyothi is for Vallalar devotees .

General Discussion / 139th Thaipoosam@Vadalur, Sun 27 Jan 2013
« on: January 27, 2013, 03:19:52 PM »

Thaipoosam 2013 will be on 27th January.
The event starts on 26th of Jan 2013 with the hoisting of Sanmarga Flag.
Jothi Darshan will be on 27th & 28th Jan 2013.
Thiru Arai Darshan, the darshan of the room in which Swami Ramalinga Vallalar dematerialized his body will be on 29th of Jan 2013.

Following are the Jothi darshan Timings on 27th & 28th Jan:

27th Jan - 6:30 AM, 10 AM, 1PM, 7PM and 10 PM

28th Jan - 5:30 AM

Background of the event:

Thiru Arutprakasa Vallalar, Swami Ramalingam

The ArutperunJothi Ramalinga Adigalar, popularly known as VALLALAR, the Great Munificient, may be regarded as the foremost of the saints and ages of the nineteenth century, considering the heights, widths, depths and intimacies of his integral realisation of the Divine in all the "inmost, inner, outer, and the outermost parts of his being".

The VALLALAR was the one who affirmed openly and clearly in an unmistakable language the deathlessness of his body which he attained by the power of what he called "Arut Perum Joti", the Vast Grace-Light of the Divine which he identified as the Truth-Light of Knowledge, Satya Jnana Joti. HE who put before the people DEATHLESSNESS of body as an essential part of the realisation of the One blissful Divine. A saint whose very soul-stuff was made of infinite love and compassion, a sage of Truth - consciousness who possessed the divine knowledge and science of deathlessness of body and attained its deathless transformation along with the self creative power of creating all substances of whatever kind including bodily substances.

Of HIS six volumes of "Arutpa" , the poems of divine inspiration, the last volume is unparalleled in spiritual history as it gives expression to his realisation of the vast world of Truth-knowledge and the Beyond, and touches on subjects like transformation and deathlessness of body .

Besides, he was a critic, writer, publisher and commentator and also had knowledge in occultism, alchemy, astrology, and medicine particularly in the nutritional and medical values of herbs and leaves. He was a musician too with a keen musical taste for lyrical songs and he composed lyrics to express, in an easier and popular style, his highest and sublime realisations of the Divine, particularly that of Truth-consciousness (Satya Jnana).

Swami Ramalinga Vallalar transformed his physical body into triple bodies of Suddha Deham (Pure Body), Pranava Deham (Letter or Sound or Mantra Body) and Gnana Deham(Wisdom Light Body).

He finally dematerialized his body on the day of Thaipoosam, 30th January 1874.

To mark his dematerialization, the event is carried out every year.

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