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Yesterday some foreigners asked Mataji ( Ananda Mayi Ma )  questions.

Q: How can I get Self-Realization?

Ananda Mayi Ma: The Self is Swayam Prakash (self-illumined), so you need not do anything.

Q: But have we not to make an effort towards it?

Ma: Yes, there is a veil over the Self and you can remove it by your effort.

Q: What is the process towards this?

Ma: Do you really want it? Then will you do without questioning what I tell you?

Q: (hesitating) I came to India for this purpose and I regard Ramana Maharshi as my guru.

Ma: Then you must do exactly as He tells you. If you want Self-Realization and nothing else, you shall find a way. There is no doubt about it.

This is really the point and justifies what J.Krishnamurti said: “ If one is in dead earnest, this very seriousness becomes the guru.”

But who is in dead earnest?

'Death Must Die'

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 28, 2013, 05:23:14 PM »
Whatever wealth one loses in this world can be earned again. However, no amount of money can bring back lost time. Hence utilize time purposefully. – Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 27, 2013, 09:20:18 PM »
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An excerpt from a Talk by Sage TGN:TRAINED  MIND  IS  YOUR  BEST  GURU
Thanks Ravi for sharing that .I keep reading that article from TGN's book "Practical Philosophy for Peace and Prosperity "and the above quote : Trained Mind is your best Guru has become a sort of pointer for me .
Unfortunately how to train the mind has never been taught in Schools nor at home and hence we have to learn this by trial and error .No doubt lot of Mind traning is available outside but those are very superficial ( they are more like concentration exercises ) and do not look at the mind in its holistic sense in the way our Shastras  look at the mind .
The entire Science of Yoga is about this training of Mind but later when we come to Vedanta we question even the existence of Mind . That is why Swami Sivananda combined both these Sciences together i.e  Yoga & Vedanta - Yoga for training the mind first and then Vedanta to pursue Atma Jnana with a well trained mind ( mind trained in all respects ) .
The book Mind ,Its Mysteries and Control by Swami Sivananda is a Classic book dealing with training the mind through Yoga .

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General Discussion / Re: Rough Notebook-Open Forum
« on: March 27, 2013, 08:56:35 PM »
Alcohol, meat, Rajasic foods, cinema, novel-reading, obscene songs, obscene sights, evil company, obscene talks will make the wheel of mind revolve very rapidly whereas fruits, Sattvic food, company of Mahatmas, study of religious books, solitude, Japa, Kirtan, concentration, meditation, enquiry of ‘Who am I?’ will slow down the wheel and eventually bring it down to a standstill.

- Swami Sivananda

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General topics / Re: Search Alone ? Or choose a Master? -- Osho Talks.
« on: March 27, 2013, 10:52:39 AM »
Kskat

My take is no need to delete the post . It is a good post for a continuing education for a person on the spiritual path .This is my personal opinion and rest is up to you to delete or keep it .

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Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: March 26, 2013, 02:06:03 PM »
Regarding  Donation for Annadanam in Temples / Ashrams :

The inflation in essential food items ( rice , dal , cooking oil etc ) is very highly visible and we must take this in to account when making any contributions towards Annadanam in any Ashram / Temple . Some places explicitly state the  amount needed per day for Annadanam ( and change it every 3-5 years keeping the inflation in mind )  but in many places they do not fix any specific amount for the same and allow people to make whatever contributions they feel like doing .
Temples in Tamil Nadu Coming under Governmnet have special Annadanam Hundis and even Arunachaleeshwar Temple has one big Hundi for Annadanam . There are no receipts for the same and u can contribute whatever u feel like .
As regards Ashram better to ask for any specific Annadanam schemes and donate accordingly or if you feel you cant afford that amount  make a general donation .

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Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: March 25, 2013, 06:00:07 PM »
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I have been watching few changes in the few years I have been in Tvnmalai. People are becoming very desperate for the money, from beggars to even pujaris(with due respect).

This is common in most tourist places where there is a lot of floating visitor population .  The people who cheat you or take you for a ride know that you come once in a while and do all their disposal to cheat you or take you for a ride .

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General Discussion / Re: does name Japa help churn the NAdis?
« on: March 24, 2013, 03:38:52 PM »


 Japa is recognized as an indirect means for gaining liberation because it destroys all obstructions and impurities, thereby preparing the mind for the knowledge that is liberation.

In the tenth chapter ( Ch.10 Verse 25 ) of the Bhagwadgita, Lord Krsna says, "Among holy offerings ,I am the Offering of Japa " .Japa, therefore, is something to be done and, as the Lord Himself, in the form of Krsna, has said, there is no activity more efficacious than japa.

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 23, 2013, 09:50:48 PM »
All obstacles are of your own making and it is within your competence to overcome them. - Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

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Ashrams / Re: Impressions from travels to Tiruvannamalai
« on: March 22, 2013, 05:40:42 PM »
Vinod

Happy with ur Arunachala visit during Shivarathri . You must be blessed to be there during Shivarathri .
Hope you went back spiritually energized .

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 22, 2013, 02:39:46 PM »
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Yes thats more or less it. Thats my way too.
BTW , that Shankara Bhasyam book , is a good one.

I like Shankara Bhashya and right now following only Shankara's Interpretation of the Bhagawad Gita and Other texts ( like Vishnu Shasranama ) .It is not that I am against Ramanuja , Madhawa schools etc . I can follow only one Sampradaya and I doubt whether one life time is enough to digest the works of one Achraya of a particular Sampradaya and that is why I just stick to Acharya Shankara Works  as explained by Swami Paramarthananda   and after I have progressed with that and have got all my doubts cleared I intend to study Bhagwan Ramana's works seriously .
But I do read at times Aurobindo's works and also some Vaishnava Teachers like Vellukudi Krishnan , Mukkur Narasimha Chariar, Modern teachers JK ,Osho  , Buddhism , Rationalism , Atheism etc but I do not compare it with  Shankara's view . There is no necessity for me .I just love the diversity of the way each great teacher / thinker views the world / reality and enjoy reading the same .

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 22, 2013, 02:06:16 PM »
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Why should we even "see" him in any respect ?
he said something ... and that is filled with lot of superstitious ideas !
why can we not reject whats superstitious ... is it coz it comes from a person who is respected by many as a yogi ?

No compulsions for anyone to see him /accept him . Look at him the way u look at Ramanuja , Madhava etc who had their own approach . That's it .
Today after a long gap I went to the Ramakrishna Book Shop in Chennai and went to the Bhagwad Gita section and got the Bhagwad Gita - Shankara Bhashya book . Next to it on the book shelf was Bhagwad Gita - Ramanuja Bhashya . I choose the Shankara Bhashya and never even glanced through the Ramanuja Bhashya and came out paying the bill but I cant say to the bookshop Guy not to keep the Ramanuja Bhashya as it is wrong  and only Shankara Bhashya has to be kept as it is the only right version of Gita  :)

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 22, 2013, 01:41:36 PM »
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and as regards Aurobindo ... he being not liberated, he does not belong to the list anyways.

But Aurobindo never claimed to be part of any list . He had his own independent approach and we have to see him in that respect only .

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General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 12:12:54 PM »
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I am not sure Aurobindo was liberated!

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What do you mean by liberation?

Match started again . Very Interesting  :)

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General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 10:00:07 AM »
Since the qualities of a student on spiritual path are discussed , I am giving below an excellent piece from Sri Aurobindo on the same .


Essays on The Gita First series Chapter IV - The Core of the Teaching
 by  Sri Aurobindo


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Therefore it is a mistake to interpret the Gita from the standpoint of the mentality of today and force it to teach us the disinterested performance of duty as the highest and all-sufficient law.

A little consideration of the situation with which the Gita deals will show us that this could not be its meaning. For the whole point of the teaching, that from which it arises, that which compels the disciple to seek the Teacher, is an inextricable clash of the various related conceptions of duty ending in the collapse of the whole useful intellectual and moral edifice erected by the human mind. In human life some sort of a clash arises fairly often, as for instance between domestic duties and the call of the country or the cause, or between the claim of the country and the good of humanity or some larger religious or moral principle. An inner situation may even arise, as with the Buddha, in which all duties have to be abandoned, trampled on, flung aside in order to follow the call of the Divine within. I cannot think that the Gita would solve such an inner situation by sending Buddha back to his wife and father and the government of the Sakya State, or would direct a Ramakrishna to become a Pundit in a vernacular school and disinterestedly teach little boys their lessons, or bind down a Vivekananda to support his family and for that to follow dispassionately the law or medicine or journalism. The Gita does not teach the disinterested performance of duties but the following of the divine life, the abandonment of all dharmas, sarvadharman, to take refuge in the Supreme alone, and the divine activity of a Buddha, a Ramakrishna, a Vivekananda is perfectly in consonance with this teaching. Nay, although the Gita prefers action to inaction, it does not rule out the renunciation of works, but accepts it as one of the ways to the Divine. If that can only be attained by renouncing works and life and all duties and the call is strong within us, then into the bonfire they must go, and there is no help for it. The call of God is imperative and cannot be weighed against any other considerations.

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