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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 22, 2013, 02:06:16 PM »
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Why should we even "see" him in any respect ?
he said something ... and that is filled with lot of superstitious ideas !
why can we not reject whats superstitious ... is it coz it comes from a person who is respected by many as a yogi ?

No compulsions for anyone to see him /accept him . Look at him the way u look at Ramanuja , Madhava etc who had their own approach . That's it .
Today after a long gap I went to the Ramakrishna Book Shop in Chennai and went to the Bhagwad Gita section and got the Bhagwad Gita - Shankara Bhashya book . Next to it on the book shelf was Bhagwad Gita - Ramanuja Bhashya . I choose the Shankara Bhashya and never even glanced through the Ramanuja Bhashya and came out paying the bill but I cant say to the bookshop Guy not to keep the Ramanuja Bhashya as it is wrong  and only Shankara Bhashya has to be kept as it is the only right version of Gita  :)

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General Discussion / Re: my musings
« on: March 22, 2013, 01:41:36 PM »
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and as regards Aurobindo ... he being not liberated, he does not belong to the list anyways.

But Aurobindo never claimed to be part of any list . He had his own independent approach and we have to see him in that respect only .

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General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 12:12:54 PM »
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I am not sure Aurobindo was liberated!

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What do you mean by liberation?

Match started again . Very Interesting  :)

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General topics / Re: What is scriptural study?
« on: March 21, 2013, 10:00:07 AM »
Since the qualities of a student on spiritual path are discussed , I am giving below an excellent piece from Sri Aurobindo on the same .


Essays on The Gita First series Chapter IV - The Core of the Teaching
 by  Sri Aurobindo


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Therefore it is a mistake to interpret the Gita from the standpoint of the mentality of today and force it to teach us the disinterested performance of duty as the highest and all-sufficient law.

A little consideration of the situation with which the Gita deals will show us that this could not be its meaning. For the whole point of the teaching, that from which it arises, that which compels the disciple to seek the Teacher, is an inextricable clash of the various related conceptions of duty ending in the collapse of the whole useful intellectual and moral edifice erected by the human mind. In human life some sort of a clash arises fairly often, as for instance between domestic duties and the call of the country or the cause, or between the claim of the country and the good of humanity or some larger religious or moral principle. An inner situation may even arise, as with the Buddha, in which all duties have to be abandoned, trampled on, flung aside in order to follow the call of the Divine within. I cannot think that the Gita would solve such an inner situation by sending Buddha back to his wife and father and the government of the Sakya State, or would direct a Ramakrishna to become a Pundit in a vernacular school and disinterestedly teach little boys their lessons, or bind down a Vivekananda to support his family and for that to follow dispassionately the law or medicine or journalism. The Gita does not teach the disinterested performance of duties but the following of the divine life, the abandonment of all dharmas, sarvadharman, to take refuge in the Supreme alone, and the divine activity of a Buddha, a Ramakrishna, a Vivekananda is perfectly in consonance with this teaching. Nay, although the Gita prefers action to inaction, it does not rule out the renunciation of works, but accepts it as one of the ways to the Divine. If that can only be attained by renouncing works and life and all duties and the call is strong within us, then into the bonfire they must go, and there is no help for it. The call of God is imperative and cannot be weighed against any other considerations.

1700
General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 20, 2013, 08:46:37 AM »
It is foolish to say that we are ignorant because somebody else did not teach us. It is our duty to learn. – Sri Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamigal

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 “Once during a visit to the Ashram in the 1940s
I was sitting outside the Old Hall with many
devotees, facing Sri Bhagavan who was reclining
on [his] couch. A group of learned pundits were
discussing certain passages from the Upanishads
with great enthusiasm and profundity. All, including
Bhagavan, appeared to be attentively listening to
this interesting discussion when, all of a sudden,
Bhagavan rose from his couch, walked thirty meters
to the north, and stood before a villager who was
standing there looking lowly with palms joined.
Immediately the discussion stopped and all eyes
were turned to Bhagavan and the villager standing
at a distance. They appeared to be conversing, but at
such a distance no one could tell about what. Soon
Bhagavan returned to his couch and the discussion
resumed. I was curious about this villager and why
Bhagavan had gone out of his way to meet him. So
while the discussion continued, I slipped away and
caught up with him before he left the Ashram. I
asked the villager what he and Bhagavan had talked
about. He said that Bhagavan had asked him why
he was standing there so far away. ‘I told Bhagavan,
“I am only an ignorant, poor villager. How am I
to approach you who are God incarnate?”’
‘What
did the Maharshi say then?’ I asked. ‘He asked me
my name, what village I was from, what work I did
and how many children I had, etc.’
‘Did you ask
Him anything?’ ‘I asked Him how I could be saved
and how I could earn His blessings.’ ‘
What did He
tell you?’ ‘He asked me if there was a temple in my
village. I told him there was. He wanted to know
the name of the deity of that temple. I told Him the
name. He then said that I should go on repeating
the name of that deity and I would receive all the
blessings needed.’”


“I came back to Bhagavan’s presence and sat among
the devotees listening to the learned discussion, in
which I had now lost all interest, realizing that the
simple humility and devotion of this peasant had
evoked a far greater response from our Master than
any amount of learning.
I then decided that, though
a scholar by profession, I should always remain a
humble, ignorant peasant at heart, and pray, like that
villager, for Bhagavan’s grace and blessings.”


Prof.K.Swaminathan

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General topics / Re: Is Jnaan through sadhana or study of scriptures?
« on: March 15, 2013, 12:17:20 PM »
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I am not selling my dieas, but would like to know why you do not agree with this.

 :)

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No hard feelings please -- now my head is simply whirling going through this discussion of Tripura Rahasya.
:) This is the problem you land up with when you try to study some important Scriptures / Text on your own without the help of a proper Guru .

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General topics / Re: Is Jnaan through sadhana or study of scriptures?
« on: March 15, 2013, 12:03:31 PM »
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According to scriptures when they are highly purified they reach a "Brahma Lokha" and having reached there, they learn this truth from Brahman and then find liberation there. This is one view.

According to Swami Paramarthananda ,even if one goes to Brahma Loka ,one  has to get Brahma Vidya from Brahma and the Guru Student relationship has to be maintained and there is no escape from that  there also and hence better to get Brahma Vidya in earth itself  under a proper Guru  :)

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General topics / Re: Is Jnaan through sadhana or study of scriptures?
« on: March 15, 2013, 09:13:49 AM »
Dear Kskat

Though you have addressed the question to Tushnim/Udai , I feel if you go through this link you will get some clarity to the doubts raised by you .

Given below is an excerpt from the auto biography of Swami Chaitanyananda , a Senior Direct Disciple of Swami Sivananda , who is not known much to the outside world as he maintained lot of seclusion in Uttarkashi ,Himalayas  after spending time at Sivananda Ashram ,Rishikesh and also doing Scriptural Study with Swami Tapovan .He was one of the few people  along with Swami Chinmayananda selected by Swami Sivananda to study the scriptures with Swami Tapovan in the Hiamalays . While Chinmaya came outside and started lot of Institutions to spread Vedanta world wide , Swami Chaitanyananda choose to remain in seclusion in Uttar Kashi and gave spiritual instructions and talks to only those people who came to him .
He was in the Himalayas for nearly 50 years or so and came back to the plains only in 1998 ( except for some spiritual yatra  in between where he travelled to many spiritual spots including Arunacahala etc)  and I was fortunate to meet him , get his blessings and had good personal talk with him during that time ( i.e in 1998-99) when I went for doing the Yoga Teachers Training Course at the Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Ashram in Neyyar Dam , Kerala .
So kindly go through this link below and I am sure you will have many of your doubts cleared .
Teachings (Excerpts from Chapter 7 of Swamiji's memoirs)
http://chaitanyadham.tripod.com/teachings.htm

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General topics / Re: Swami Chinmayananda collections from archive
« on: March 14, 2013, 10:50:46 AM »
Another link to download Swami Chinmayananda's Audio Talks :

http://sumukam.wordpress.com/discourses/swami-chinmayananda/

DISCOURSES

    Bhaja Govindam

    Bhagavadh Gita

    Kaivalya Upanishad

    Mandokya Upanishad

    Narada Bhakthi Sutra

    Sadhana Panchakam

    Science of Sprituality (1976 Video)

    Vakya Vriti

1707
General topics / Re: Be a sugar cube, eat a sugar cube?
« on: March 12, 2013, 01:36:12 PM »
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Swami Paramarthananda is a favorite, I believe, for some of our forum members.

With regard to understanding Advaita Texts for me Swami Paramarthananda is the most favorite one .I love listening to his talks and attend his Sunday Gita Satsangs . I love also his clear and correct pronunciation of various Vedantic Texts and Stotras and in fact have developed an interest in Sanskrit Chanting after listening to his Chants and keeping it as my daily Sadhana .
Here is a link to download Swami Paramarthananda's audio lectures :
http://sumukam.wordpress.com/discourses/swami-paramarthananda/

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General topics / Re: Quotes from Shankaracharya's
« on: March 11, 2013, 10:12:04 PM »

1709
General topics / Re: Man's lower nature , prakrithi , maya and Self.
« on: March 11, 2013, 05:31:30 PM »

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The following youtube video on Nirvana Shaktman by Isha Music is very excellent and motivating
Nirvana Shatakam By Isha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCB3HkQJSrQ

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